libertystix

[Sebastian]

Terraphon,
You are sort of ridiculous.... and immature, but I, the inventor of Liberty Stix, will address your statements.

First, our model is OUR model NOBODY else has this model...I didn't take an existing model and slap Liberty on it. I am building a brand here, not rebranding someone else's stuff.

Two cartridges is about 1.5-2 packs of cigarettes as far as a mix of nicotine and number of puffs is concerned. For example, so you can sleep better at night, lemme outline the computation: A regular full flavor cig is about 10mg of nicotine of which about 1-1.5 mg of nicotine is ingested. Our tobacco High cartridge has 24 mg of nicotine....in which you get your fix after say 4 drags. There is about 80 drags per cartridge, 4 x 20 is 80, 20 cigs in a pack.... yes there is a little bit of a an unquantifiable aspect to the equation, but I can assure you we are working on it as well as several other groundbreaking things that will revolutionize the industry.

As far as inventing it, refer to the aforementioned and also our cartridge is MY PROPRIETARY AMERICAN MADE CARTRIDGE....sorry if you don't understand that but I can't make it any clearer.

Next order of business...the website is fantastic and upgraded. We were just too busy at the time to get it properly done, I can assure you it is much more professional now.

Inexpensive and affordable....well something can be inexpensive yet not within somebody's means so your redundancy comment was unnecessarily unnecessary.

I have been using my Liberty Stix for 170+ days and have JUST a bit more experience in this field. I, do however, appreciate your feedback. It gives me an opportunity to clarify things for the more rational and polite people on the forum.

Best Regards to all. Have a smoke free day!

Sebastian
Pres. Liberty Stix

 

[Terraphon]

Terraphon,
You are sort of ridiculous.... and immature, but I, the inventor of Liberty Stix, will address your statements.

First, our model is OUR model NOBODY else has this model...I didn't take an existing model and slap Liberty on it. I am building a brand here, not rebranding someone else's stuff.

Two cartridges is about 1.5-2 packs of cigarettes as far as a mix of nicotine and number of puffs is concerned. For example, so you can sleep better at night, lemme outline the computation: A regular full flavor cig is about 10mg of nicotine of which about 1-1.5 mg of nicotine is ingested. Our tobacco High cartridge has 24 mg of nicotine....in which you get your fix after say 4 drags. There is about 80 drags per cartridge, 4 x 20 is 80, 20 cigs in a pack.... yes there is a little bit of a an unquantifiable aspect to the equation, but I can assure you we are working on it as well as several other groundbreaking things that will revolutionize the industry.

As far as inventing it, refer to the aforementioned and also our cartridge is MY PROPRIETARY AMERICAN MADE CARTRIDGE....sorry if you don't understand that but I can't make it any clearer.

Next order of business...the website is fantastic and upgraded. We were just too busy at the time to get it properly done, I can assure you it is much more professional now.

Inexpensive and affordable....well something can be inexpensive yet not within somebody's means so your redundancy comment was unnecessarily unnecessary.

I have been using my Liberty Stix for 170+ days and have JUST a bit more experience in this field. I, do however, appreciate your feedback. It gives me an opportunity to clarify things for the more rational and polite people on the forum.

Best Regards to all. Have a smoke free day!

Sebastian
Pres. Liberty Stix

PM me so I don't have to shred you in public, please. This is not the place for us to debate.

I will start with this, though. You may have 170 days on your "liberty stix" brand (re-branded 4072, from looking at your web site) but the amount of time you've been using it doesn't equate to experience.

Also, I notice you say you're registered with the FDA. May I have your registration number, please, so I can check the type of registration you have?

And, lastly (pm me if you want to carry on) you say your "proprietary nicotine cartridge formula is the only American made formula in the world". That means 1 of 3 things.

1) You've never heard of Johnson Creek Smoke juice and you're doing a little false advertising.
2) You're USING Johnson Creek in which case it's not proprietary and you're doing a little false advertising.
3) You have some kind of proof that Johnson Creek juice is not made in the U.S. and that THEY are falsely advertising their products.

So...which is it?

 

[Terraphon]

ooh ooh ooh! This got moved so it IS the place to debate, now!

Let's go ahead and consolidate it all in to one place.

1) You claim that you have sophisticated, sensitive and highly calibrated machinery on site (as in...where you are) to do things like fill, plug and bag cartridges.

I want a photo of this machinery or I'm calling shenanigans

2) All the stuff above

3) You made a comment in another thread about putting your product to the test...Putting your money where your mouth is, so to speak (and even had a shill in the thread, talking you up). Well, which of the reviewers (the ones that DON'T get kick-backs from manufacturers and suppliers) are you going to send product to for testing and review?

4) Please address the issue about your juice and the U.S.A.

gogo! Make it happen!

 

[star4024]

Sorry it has taken me so long to post but I do want to thank you , sebastian for being so attentive in trying to resolve an issue I ahd with a product.. You went above and beyond in trying to satisfy me in this situation.. Libertyy Stix has great support.. thanks

 

[The Rain Man]

Dam I better get my stuff registered with the FDA fast

 

[Sebastian]

Star4024,
Thank you. That is VERY VERY much appreciated, as alot of the good things can sometimes get swept under the rug.

I am guessing you saw our news article in the Plain Dealer and I would hope you come back to us in the near future. We have some great news that is being released in a few weeks and I am really gonna be looking forward to talking about it with our current and potential customer base.

Also, we do have a new upgraded model of our existing model now available. Battery on steroids, atomizer with a thicker heating coil that is more durable and better quality metal, and a charger that's cordless!

Rain Man, yeah you should try to get your stuff registered with the FDA fast. NO real fast.

 

[xaxphaanes]

were terraphon's questions ever answered?

 

[Sebastian]

YES

JC is American.

I have the only pre-filled American formula cartridge, that I know. If you know another American Cart out there let me know, I will remove the claim.

I skipped the reviewers 1) Because they are biased because they get free juice and equipment and I don't feel that encapsulates the entire buying experience and 2) I know my stuff is fantastic, I have tens of thousands of customers in 12 countries and 3) I went right to the testing laboratories, 3 of them (OH, TX, and NJ) have 2 of the results back and they are going to be published in National Medical Journals and should be released in a few weeks. I tried to get alot of suppliers to submit product as models for the testing (only 2 responded to the one lab, the other I don't know they haven't told me yet).

The juice is American...you can see our quotes in our most recent published assertion of this in Ohio's Largest Newspaper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, here's the links:
Electronic cigarettes have unsafe ingredients, FDA tests find - cleveland.com

and here:

Electronic cigarettes deliver nicotine in vapor rather than smoke, but some fear health risks - cleveland.com


You can also probably verify our facility through Harlan Spector (PD Health Reporter), who has visited our 17,000 square foot facility. Yeah no operation in Ma's basement anymore.

Hope this clears things up.

Happy Vaping.

 

[smokinsimon]

So just to be perfectly clear,
Your juice is 100% American made using American ingredients? Even the nicotine? And you make it yourself, in your facilities, by licensed professionals?
And when these lab reports are completed, you will post them online for everyone to view, discuss, and make an informed decision?
Sorry for all the questions, but I was always told if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

A suggestion of transparency..
Pics of the manufacturing process and facilities.
Maybe a video tour in the style of "how it's made" let us all in on what goes on behind the scenes.
People would love it.

 

[Sebastian]

I've answered most, if not all of these questions, at some point in time.

Please feel free to call me at the office: 877-TRY-STIX Mon-Fri 10pm-6pm EST

 

[smokinsimon]

Thanks for the information, I appreciate you taking the time to send me a message.
Thanks again

 

[Terraphon]

Actually, my question was never answered, he just changed his wording once he got called out.

He does that, a lot...

Kinda like his claims to have all of these thousands of customers but he doesn't seem to be able to substantiate a single one. Granted, I am sure that some people have bought his product but not nearly as many as he claims which is, in effect, false advertising (and a violation of the terms of use of this forum).

I have, in the past, asked Sebastian for proof on ALL of his claims.

He has yet to provide it for even a single one.

 

[Terraphon]

oh, also.

Telling a newspaper that your stuff is made in the USA doesn't make it so.

 

[souporvapor]

"A Willoughby company called Liberty Stix opened for business 11 months ago, and is now selling e-cigarettes to retail outlets and individual customers across the country. The company occupies 17,000 square feet of industrial park space, where four employees take phone orders and several others fill orders for shipping. "
This is directly from the 'source/newspaper' and describes what Mr. Liberystix has claimed to be a manufacturing plant. There is no reference to any manufacturing taking place.

I'm not sure why you ask us to read something which in no way substantiates what you keep saying.

You have provided no FDA registration information provided despite repeated requests (and a misleading online statement which implies a superior product and FDA approval)

Mr. Stix has said that his 'products are made with at least 75% USA made components/ingredients' thus fulfilling the Made in USA claim.

Repeated reference to testing done with 'promise' of results to be published in 'medical journal/s' - what medical journal sir?

Once again - I repeat myself

Sir - it is integrity, honesty and truth towards selling these products which are most important and will assist in insuring the industry can be taken seriously and given the opportunity to continue to provide and improve personal vaporizers. Holding all distributors and manufacturers to high standards.... not just those overseas.... is imperative.

Wake up sir - we are not fools and will not be sidetracked by your rationalization of innacurate or exagerated claims.

 

[Terraphon]

Sebastian does not, in MY PERSONAL OPINION, have any concept of integrity OR honesty or the definition of the word "truth".

He has been deceptive since he first joined ECF...in more ways that one.

Ain't that right, Sebby?

 

[Sebastian]

I have answerwed MOST if not ALL of the questions that I keep getting berated with. I have my stuff analyzed. I have insurance. I have a quality product.

If you have a problem or dispute with what I am saying move on...

Thanks and happy vaping....

 

[firhill]

Good call Sebastian...

If someone feels they're not getting answers to all the questions they ask and you feel that you have given more than enough information..I would do exactly as you have...suggest they move on to a seller that ells them what they want/need to hear.

Good luck with the business.

 

[star4024]

I agree totally with firhill.. Nice response. see, you do listen

 

[SudokuGal]

1) SmokeStik USA does their own cartridges, in a pharma setting. 2) Sebastian, I follow your logic of the equivalency of amount of nicotine in your e-cig to a real cigarette. However, I find that to be a bit disingenuous, even if you didn't intentionally mean to be so. First, for me to be able to compare one against another, I want a simple way to do that myself. What I want to know is, if I am comparing one pre-filled cartridge against another I want to know which gives me the most longevity before having to replace it (so I can also evaluate the cost per cartridge).

For simplicity sake, then, that means that how many puffs (period) do I get out of one cartridge. For example, I started my e-cig journey with SmokeStik. I like how it performs but wasn't crazy about quickly a cartridge exhausted. My next e-cig was a Greensmoke. On their site, they gave "puffs per cartridge" and that a person smokes a real cigarette in 12 to 14 puffs. Having a counter on hand, I decided to do my own test. Yes, indeed, I smoke my regular cigarette in 12 puffs (how much nicotine was never an issue as I sometimes switched back and forth between regulars and lights.)

With the Greensmoke, I got 350 puffs out of a cartridge (although there was some degradation in taste)...and 150 with a SmokeStik cartridge. I ended up returning my Greensmoke, though, due to other factors but mostly because I couldn't justify the cost.

As an aside: I now have a 510 and switch back and forth between it and my SmokeStik. I also quickly switched to topping off and filling blank cartridges (again, cost savings).

I believe there is a market for pre-filled cartridges, but also believe there has to be some easy, common way to compare them. How would I compare your no-nic cartridges to someone elses? Simply by how many puffs I get out of a cartridge. I'm not trying to be argumentative here...just giving you a different perspective.

Best wishes on your business as I think American made is going to be only way for e-cigs to be a viable option in the states.

 

[Sebastian]

SudokuGal,

About 60-80 Puffs. However, we've had as many as a little over 100, but that is rare. 60-80 is a pretty good range for typical performance.

Liberty Stix is NOT for someone who switched to e-cigs to save money. Our cart is one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive on the market. You will still be saving some money, but it's marginal.

Liberty Stix is for the person that wants a premium American liquid pre filled cartridge, one that has been analyzed via several methods (gas chromatography, and mass spectrometry to name a few), has product liability insurance in place that protects our end user (customer) as well as the retailers that sell our product, and has great customer service.

As far as our computation being misleading, that's why I outline it in detail on our FAQs page.
Liberty Stix - FAQs

Thanks for the inquiries.