OK...thanks for the reply. It gives me the info I wanted...and yes, I did switch to e-cigs to save money.
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This is the biggest lie in the e-cig world. You sound like Smoking Everywhere.
I don't know where you think you are but I'd go back to trying to sell to people who aren't as read up as myself and other forums users.
Please make a video of yourself talking 80 drags out of one cartridge, I would love to see it. Have a running clock in the background so we can see all 80 drags in sucession.
Terapon and his video were the reason for me getting a 510 and stopping smoking.
Robert,
Thanks for your reply. Obviously you haven't read my NUMEROUS replies to your accusation of me lying....but you've only been using e-cigs for a month, while I've been in business selling them and using them for almost a year so I am gonna take the accusation with a grain of salt.
I have addressed your assertion about our claim of 2 LIBERTY STIX carts equalling 1.5 to two packs.
I am going to paste the verbiage here:
Our carts last between 60-80 puffs, and up to 100+ sometimes and depending on the user. Our assertion on the Liberty Stix website is that people, in general, are more addicted to the nicotine than to the hand to mouth habit. Difference between e-cigs and other NRTs is that the absorption of nicotine is the same for e-cig and regular cig (by way of lungs). It is proven that within about 4 puffs, someone gets their nicotine 'fix'. 4 x 15 is 60 puffs, 4 x 20 is 80 puffs, hence the 15-20 cigarette claim.
This is stated very clearly on the Liberty Stix website, and in the literature with the packet and manual. If you disagree with the equation or how we come up with it, that would be a whole new ball game, but it is not misleading or misrepresented whatsoever.
Having been in this business for a year next month, I have more experience than the majority of the people out there using and selling e-cigs. Consequently we have had numerous studies done in order to isolate and identify the various stimuli associated with e-cigs. These quantifiable stimuli are: The amount of Vapor production, the number of puffs, and the number of nicotine fixes. The former two stimuli are based on psychological factors. The latter is the addiction, nicotine, which, after many studies has nearly 100% been the PRIMARY catalyst for why people smoke. The quantifiable aspect, that means the most to the user (and ALL 17 of my former smoker emloyees including myself), would therefore be how many "fixes" a user realizes by using our product HENCE our assertion and the subsequent comparison.
Hope that clears things up, and if it doesn't, I apologize, but feel free to move on to a vendor that will tell you what you want to hear....and ask them how their GC and MS reports are coming along....ours will be out in about 2-3 weeks.
Thanks and happy vaping.
Thanks for your reply. Obviously you haven't read my NUMEROUS replies to your accusation of me lying....but you've only been using e-cigs for a month, while I've been in business selling them and using them for almost a year so I am gonna take the accusation with a grain of salt.
I have addressed your assertion about our claim of 2 LIBERTY STIX carts equalling 1.5 to two packs.
I am going to paste the verbiage here:
Our carts last between 60-80 puffs, and up to 100+ sometimes and depending on the user. Our assertion on the Liberty Stix website is that people, in general, are more addicted to the nicotine than to the hand to mouth habit. Difference between e-cigs and other NRTs is that the absorption of nicotine is the same for e-cig and regular cig (by way of lungs). It is proven that within about 4 puffs, someone gets their nicotine 'fix'. 4 x 15 is 60 puffs, 4 x 20 is 80 puffs, hence the 15-20 cigarette claim.
This is stated very clearly on the Liberty Stix website, and in the literature with the packet and manual. If you disagree with the equation or how we come up with it, that would be a whole new ball game, but it is not misleading or misrepresented whatsoever.
Having been in this business for a year next month, I have more experience than the majority of the people out there using and selling e-cigs. Consequently we have had numerous studies done in order to isolate and identify the various stimuli associated with e-cigs. These quantifiable stimuli are: The amount of Vapor production, the number of puffs, and the number of nicotine fixes. The former two stimuli are based on psychological factors. The latter is the addiction, nicotine, which, after many studies has nearly 100% been the PRIMARY catalyst for why people smoke. The quantifiable aspect, that means the most to the user (and ALL 17 of my former smoker emloyees including myself), would therefore be how many "fixes" a user realizes by using our product HENCE our assertion and the subsequent comparison.
Hope that clears things up, and if it doesn't, I apologize, but feel free to move on to a vendor that will tell you what you want to hear....and ask them how their GC and MS reports are coming along....ours will be out in about 2-3 weeks.
Thanks and happy vaping.
Sebastian
Since you are the only FDA registered USA maker of cartridges (and from what you've said the entire e-cig model you sell and the juice)
It would be an excellent sales move to add your FDA registration number to your online forum signature.
You can set it up so every post you make shows what no one else can offer.
You go to your user control panel and click on 'signature'
Type in the words and numbers issued you by the USA FDA (it includes a reference to your product as was in the example I posted earlier)
You can even make it show up in large bold type!;-)
You mentioned in March that you would have that number available and post it 'in a couple of weeks'.
30 Years of Smoking....
Vaporized by my screwdriver!
Since you are the only FDA registered USA maker of cartridges (and from what you've said the entire e-cig model you sell and the juice)
It would be an excellent sales move to add your FDA registration number to your online forum signature.
You can set it up so every post you make shows what no one else can offer.
You go to your user control panel and click on 'signature'
Type in the words and numbers issued you by the USA FDA (it includes a reference to your product as was in the example I posted earlier)
You can even make it show up in large bold type!;-)
You mentioned in March that you would have that number available and post it 'in a couple of weeks'.
30 Years of Smoking....
Vaporized by my screwdriver!
lol he isnt fda approved this guy is a joke and just talks around peoples questions i want to see the studies that he "says" he has done but of course that will never happen buyers beware!
xax thanks for your opinion. We always are interested in the good and bad things people like to purport. With your wealth of knowledge that you have probably accrued over the last month or so, with e-cigs, we are confident you will be ready to be a keen eye and ear for our brand....espescially when we release our results.
Thanks again.
Sebastian
P.S. If you would like an approved list of buyers, from every state in the US, that I can release to you, feel free to call me up. When the Plain Dealer did a recent article we called all our return customers to see if they would be interested in sharing their LS experience, and the response was mind boggling. I am sure, of course I could check, that they wouldn't mind enthusiastically telling you about their experience.....in order to squelch your baseless buyer beware warning...
Thanks again.
Sebastian
P.S. If you would like an approved list of buyers, from every state in the US, that I can release to you, feel free to call me up. When the Plain Dealer did a recent article we called all our return customers to see if they would be interested in sharing their LS experience, and the response was mind boggling. I am sure, of course I could check, that they wouldn't mind enthusiastically telling you about their experience.....in order to squelch your baseless buyer beware warning...
wow that was pretty condescending great way to show respect to any potential customers that may watch this thread i am sure they would love it. and where was that fda # ... yea thats what i thought.It is laughable what you say in these threads anyone with common sense wouldnt buy anything from you since honesty,integrity,are severely lacking sorry to be so harsh but over the course of 4-5 months i have watched your posts and every time it is another reason not to buy anything from you.You really underestimate people here they know when they see a fraud happy trails.
oh ps : i want to see the studies that he "says" he has done
oh ps : i want to see the studies that he "says" he has done
Xax I have been quite cordial, but I have also stated that I am not going to sit back and let someone bash my brand. Your opinions are not based on my product, or my service that I provide...as are the opinions of many of the people who have not tried my product, but who attempt to discredit my brand.
I appreciate your interest in chiming in, but as you are free to go anywhere to buy your product, I suggest you look for another supplier.
Thanks and happy vaping.
I appreciate your interest in chiming in, but as you are free to go anywhere to buy your product, I suggest you look for another supplier.
Thanks and happy vaping.
Ok i am sorry...tell ya what i will make a purchase on your site(50 bucks) if you post your fda # and studies that you have conducted.In another post you said that your fda # would be posted here in april soo you should have it by now.this is really the only main reason holding me back when deciding to make a purchase on your site.
XAX,
My studies will be posted VERY soon. I had operating agreements in cue that haven't been finalized. As you see from my replies to VOCN, they weren't a priority. Sustainable distribution in Europe and South America have been our focus. However, at the time that we finalize everything we plan releasing results and alot of the information that people doubt that we have, or info in question. That includes 3 independent lab testing and analyzed results as well as all the FDA developments with our company.
I am willing to wait for a purchase for a few weeks, if you can be a little patient.
My studies will be posted VERY soon. I had operating agreements in cue that haven't been finalized. As you see from my replies to VOCN, they weren't a priority. Sustainable distribution in Europe and South America have been our focus. However, at the time that we finalize everything we plan releasing results and alot of the information that people doubt that we have, or info in question. That includes 3 independent lab testing and analyzed results as well as all the FDA developments with our company.
I am willing to wait for a purchase for a few weeks, if you can be a little patient.
Sebastian...
My word...
Remember what I told you in that PM the other day? Well, you're treading on thin ice.
You claim to have FDA registration. Post the registration number.
You claim to have independent tests. Post the results (with contact information for the labs that conducted those tests, so they can be verified).
If you do not post the aforementioned information within 36 hours, I will delete EVERY post you've made with claims directed toward such information. Once that's done, any more mention of anything resembling a claim of legitimacy without evidence to back it and the hammer will fall.
I'm tired of the deceptiveness you've displayed since joining ECF. It's time to fish or cut bait, dude.
My word...
Remember what I told you in that PM the other day? Well, you're treading on thin ice.
You claim to have FDA registration. Post the registration number.
You claim to have independent tests. Post the results (with contact information for the labs that conducted those tests, so they can be verified).
If you do not post the aforementioned information within 36 hours, I will delete EVERY post you've made with claims directed toward such information. Once that's done, any more mention of anything resembling a claim of legitimacy without evidence to back it and the hammer will fall.
I'm tired of the deceptiveness you've displayed since joining ECF. It's time to fish or cut bait, dude.
Your joking..right?
If not, then I suggest that you stop with the idle threats unless you intend on deleting all posts by everyone who YOU deem to have misrepresented the truth.
The hammer...lol..now that must be a joke surely?
No?...then maybe it's the big,tough,look at me, I got a hammer and you don't and I'm a moderator egotistical mentality kickin' in, as that does seem to be a common occurance around here.
tick tock...tick tock....35 hours and counting.
Sebastian, like I told you in the PM the other day, don't give anyone the pleasure, beat them all to the punch and ask that this and the other thread be closed at your request as "they" never seem to be content with any response you give.
You're a better man than i am Seb, as I wouldn't put up with the crap some posters toss your way.
If not, then I suggest that you stop with the idle threats unless you intend on deleting all posts by everyone who YOU deem to have misrepresented the truth.
The hammer...lol..now that must be a joke surely?
No?...then maybe it's the big,tough,look at me, I got a hammer and you don't and I'm a moderator egotistical mentality kickin' in, as that does seem to be a common occurance around here.
tick tock...tick tock....35 hours and counting.
Sebastian, like I told you in the PM the other day, don't give anyone the pleasure, beat them all to the punch and ask that this and the other thread be closed at your request as "they" never seem to be content with any response you give.
You're a better man than i am Seb, as I wouldn't put up with the crap some posters toss your way.
BTW...Sebastian,
Feel free to send the "CLUEPON" to anyone you deem qualifed to recieve it.
I can think of of at least one moderator who does.
Feel free to send the "CLUEPON" to anyone you deem qualifed to recieve it.
I can think of of at least one moderator who does.
Terraphon Please close this thread then.
My answers have given everyone a timeline. I know you are enjoying this, but I can't do anything when I am legally bound by the third parties. If it would please you I will send Smokey Joe a Non Disclosure Agreement and send him your required ultimatum information.
I would only hope that he keeps this information in confidence until I am able to release it, that means not telling anyone, EVEN YOU, except to confirm or deny the FACTS.
Obviously, we don't get along, you don't believe any of my claims....well I will be more than happy to disclose them to a third party in order to squelch you from lambasting me.
Please point Smokey Joe to this thread, I will then personally email him. I am disappointed you were able to become a moderator since this was inevitable.
My answers have given everyone a timeline. I know you are enjoying this, but I can't do anything when I am legally bound by the third parties. If it would please you I will send Smokey Joe a Non Disclosure Agreement and send him your required ultimatum information.
I would only hope that he keeps this information in confidence until I am able to release it, that means not telling anyone, EVEN YOU, except to confirm or deny the FACTS.
Obviously, we don't get along, you don't believe any of my claims....well I will be more than happy to disclose them to a third party in order to squelch you from lambasting me.
Please point Smokey Joe to this thread, I will then personally email him. I am disappointed you were able to become a moderator since this was inevitable.
If you only knew what I know, you'd know how foolish you look right now. If you DO know what I know then you're either love-blind or a shill.
Also, Your =/= You're
Sebastian...You KNOW why I don't believe your claims. This has nothing to do with us "not getting along". There's a few suppliers out there I don't care for but I don't have anything to say to them because they don't pull the crap you have. I have been extremely accommodating with you in not releasing the reasons why I don't believe you, to everyone ELSE on the forum...Even when that means I take heat from the regular users who don't know the things you've actually done.
I could easily release the information I have collected (most, but not ALL, of which you are aware of) but I've decided not to, in an attempt to allow you to do the right thing and be a stand up guy. I've told you that in the past but you fail to recognize that. All you want to do is dance around the issues and try to make it look like *I* am the bad guy, here.
The good part is that most of the people on these forums KNOW you're full of crap and the PM's I get from users, suppliers and manufacturers, all thanking me for taking a stand against your nonsense...those tell me, every day, that I'm doing the right thing.
Had I not gotten a slew of PM's from people, I wouldn't have even bothered with this thread...I have to look in to things when users request it, though.
SO...The 2 choices available are :
1) This and the other thread stay open and you take the heat from the fire you've created.
2) Both threads are deleted.
I won't allow them to stay visible but locked so your claims can stay in the public eye with no ability to challenge them.
Your pick.
Unfortunately this sort of thing can happen on a forum. I'm in no way defending Sebastian, but I do object the heavy-handedness of this moderator. I don't know what guidelines moderators are to follow, but I find this all very distasteful.
I could have just deleted his thread from the get-go...
I allowed him to have his say and see what he could do with the privilege of being allowed the time to back his claims.
If that's "heavy handed" and "distasteful", I'm sorry...Like I said, though, I could have just deleted the thread from the beginning and never allowed him the opportunity to speak his mind.
I allowed him to have his say and see what he could do with the privilege of being allowed the time to back his claims.
If that's "heavy handed" and "distasteful", I'm sorry...Like I said, though, I could have just deleted the thread from the beginning and never allowed him the opportunity to speak his mind.
I don't mind if it's closed although at this juncture however, I WANT SMOKEY JOE TO CONTACT ME... I WILL SEND HIM A Non Disclosure Agreement and give all the information that I have purported as fact, because it is fact.
Then he can relay to you that it is or is not fact.... believe me, I have multiple lab reports READY to send and a Non Disclosure agreement READY to send, and an FDA registration certificate READY to send.....
So I am putting my money where my mouth is.... If you or anyone else wants confirmation of the truth, simply have smokey joe message me his personal email addy and we can be done with this.....
Then he can relay to you that it is or is not fact.... believe me, I have multiple lab reports READY to send and a Non Disclosure agreement READY to send, and an FDA registration certificate READY to send.....
So I am putting my money where my mouth is.... If you or anyone else wants confirmation of the truth, simply have smokey joe message me his personal email addy and we can be done with this.....
As I said my my "now deleted" post, this just confirms what I thought of ewe all along. No better things to do with you're time than correct grammar mistakes? (Better get the spell/grammar checker out from here on out as I will check every one of ewer posts)
I suggest that if anyone one on this thread is a shill, it is u, after watching the numerous biased videos euw post.
Do uwerself a favour before yew embarass you'rsefl as a moderator any longer and comply with the OP's request to have this thread closed.That's all he asked for.
It's OK to admit that Sebastian got the better of yoo by asking for the thread to be closed before yew could close it on you're terms. So,yoo have to eat some crow and wipe the egg off yewer face...no big deal..right?
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