Liquid for DIYers

[ZambucaLu]

I noticed some of you have problems with finding PG & glycerin. I happened across this site so thought I'd share. Also, these flavorings have water and alcohol ONLY....so these would have to be mixed with PG or glycerin or your existing eliquid. All that I checked only had those ingredients...but I have not tried any yet. I am, however, thinking of ordering a couple flavors to try for my no nic mix...and maybe to add to some juice I already have here. They also sell pumps for the gallons.

Look at all those yummy flavors!

http://www.naturesflavors.com/default.php?cPath=229&sort=1a&&showall=1

Nature's Flavors : PROPYLENE GLYCOL (CAS Number: 57-55-6)

Nature's Flavors : Glycerine (CAS Number: 56-81-5) Food Grade

Nature's Flavors : Bottles and Vials

Lu

 

[Walrus]

I noticed some of you have problems with finding PG & glycerin. I happened across this site so thought I'd share. Also, these flavorings have water and alcohol ONLY....so these would have to be mixed with PG or glycerin or your existing eliquid. All that I checked only had those ingredients...but I have not tried any yet. I am, however, thinking of ordering a couple flavors to try for my no nic mix...and maybe to add to some juice I already have here. They also sell pumps for the gallons.

Look at all those yummy flavors!

Nature's Flavors : Natural Flavor Extract

Nature's Flavors : PROPYLENE GLYCOL (CAS Number: 57-55-6)

Nature's Flavors : Glycerine (CAS Number: 56-81-5) Food Grade

Nature's Flavors : Bottles and Vials

Lu

Lu,

Did you ever order from these people? And if so, how long did it take to receive it? I placed an order on the 24th of March, and still haven't even had an update to my order.

At this point, I'd recommend that everyone stay away from Nature's Flavors.

 

[calligal]

I have been meaning to ask about them. Did a search today and could not find anything in the other forums.

Can't wait to see the review I just know you are going to do Walrus. What flavors did you order? It is odd that their live chat support box says offline while saying available m-f 8am-5pm. It will let you send an email though.
Perhaps if you became an affiliate they would treat you better. Of course you just advised us to stay away so no extra revenue for you.

Because of a post Kate did earlier I did research on the gum acacia premium concentrate flavors thinking it may be a great idea vs their alcohol flavors.

What is the difference between organic extracts and organic flavor concentrates?
While the organic flavor extracts have an organic alcohol base, flavor concentrates have an alcohol free base. These flavor concentrates are made with organic gum acacia as a base ingredient and are excellent for those who wish to have alcohol-free flavorings.

I looked up gum acacia and found this website which says some individuals could be allergic and the reactions could be bad so just a word of warning.
Gum arabic - Welcome to ImmunoCAP InVitroSight

 

[Jaaxx]

I'm very, very familiar with this company and their products. PM me if you have questions.

Jaaxx

 

[Jaaxx]

OK, OK that was kinda vague. 85% of their products rock, their shipping is incredibly slow, little or no communications and customer service sucks.

I literally think they wait until you order to go pick the fruit to make your extract. You're Fired!

 

[Walrus]

I ordered Cola, Orange, Cherry, and Vanilla Cream.

I'm going to retract my last comment and extend the benefit of the doubt. They are closed early today because of the holiday weekend.

This is now on their home page:

Dear Valued Customers,

It has come to our attention; many customers may be discouraged with the processing time it takes to ship many of our products. If so, please read following explanation.

Please note: Not all of our products are stocked on the shelf. Many are made fresh daily and others are stocked in small quantities. It is our policy to produce the freshest flavorings and food ingredients to be provided for each shipment. For this reason, many of our products have to be manufactured frequently. And in most cases the raw material for those products are stocked in our warehouses and factories. We simply have to compound, roast, or mill the products, in addition to the quality control testing necessary, prior to the packaging and shipping of the products. This ensures our products will be the freshest.

Due to this policy, our products cannot be stocked like a CD or a book. You might be getting products that are already 6 months old. We are very grateful for the overwhelming support our website has received due to the quality of our products. At this time, please allow up to 14 business days for processing. It is not the norm or common for all of our products to take this long. We simply need the extra time in reserve to maintain consistent flow. We will make every effort to fulfill every order as quickly as possible without sacrificing quality. However, expedited processing is available for an additional fee, for processing within a 48 hour period. We strongly recommend that this be used only in urgent situations where product deadlines may occur.

We appreciate your support and understanding in our efforts to increase production efficiency.

Sincerely,

Bill Sabo
CEO

 

[incineradma]

AWESOME findings!! I wish they had wheat grass flavor. Pine would be so wierd

Does anyone know where to find regular concentrated nicotine? To add to the mix, instead of a pre-flavored? Do I have to buy flavorless or is there another way?

 

[calligal]

Thanks guys. Walrus that is actually encouraging that they don't keep the stock on shelves. Jaax you were more correct then you knew and I think it was one of your posts which have me thinking their apple would be a good choice.

 

[Walrus]

AWESOME findings!! I wish they had wheat grass flavor. Pine would be so wierd

Does anyone know where to find regular concentrated nicotine? To add to the mix, instead of a pre-flavored? Do I have to buy flavorless or is there another way?

I'm a bit confused... you don't want flavored, but you don't want flavorless? I'm not sure there's a third choice. What could a third choice possibly be?

 

[Walrus]

Thanks guys. Walrus that is actually encouraging that they don't keep the stock on shelves. Jaax you were more correct then you knew and I think it was one of your posts which have me thinking their apple would be a good choice.

What I found most encouraging about the CEO's message is that they are trying to find a way to improve production efficiency.

 

[Jaaxx]

Well they sent me "Clear" vanilla with about 1/4" of powdery white sediment in the bottle, Chocolate extract that was SOLID (could not even get it out of the bottle), and the wrong Champagne flavor. I contacted them by phone and email on March 6th, gave them lot numbers and they said their QC department would investigate. Here is the response (note the date and they did not even get my name right.)

from Bill Sabo <billsabo@gmail.com>
to xxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx
cc Linda Sabo <momsabo@gmail.com>
date Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:05 PM
subject Q C issues
mailed-by gmail.com


Dear Robert


I have received you email complaint. I have reviewed the QC samples from the respective lot numbers. There is nothing wrong with the flavors. It is not uncommon for flavors to cloud up or even solidify especially when they get cold. Often times when a flavor gets chilled especially in transit some of the solids will settle out and fall to the bottom. You can warm it up in a water bath
or you can still use just try not to shake it up to much and pour from the top.
The chocolate does solidify normally. Unless it is very warm. It is more like a paste than anything. Again this is not abnormal just a result of high solids. Natures flavors tries to sell the highest quality flavors and also the best value. Its easy to load a flavor up with water or other fillers. We figure that costumers would rather use less flavors and add there own fillers and also shipping costs are so high that this is also a concern of ours. You may also find that a number corresponding to a flavor on the website might be different on the product that you received. That is because we may have the same product listed on another topic such as organic verses natural. When we sell and make organics that is the same flavor sold under naturals. We don't make two different flavors but for the customer who is buying the organic than they are entitled to the certificate. Otherwise the flavor is the same.
In the future when it comes to quality issues, how to use a product or suitability it is better if you call or give us a number to call you back at so you can speak to a live person. I did try to call the number that was on the invoice
but there was no answer.
Well i hope this helps but if you need more information please call me.
Thanks
Bill Sabo
Naturesflavors.com

Nevermind that I did call and the customer service rep even called me back to tell me she had forwarded my complaints to QC.

The order began

Nature's Flavors
------------------------------------------------------
Order Number: 31593
Detailed Invoice: https://www.naturesflavors.com/account_history_info.php/order_id/31593
Date Ordered: Saturday 14 February, 2009

 

[Walrus]

Well they sent me "Clear" vanilla with about 1/4" of powdery white sediment in the bottle, Chocolate extract that was SOLID (could not even get it out of the bottle), and the wrong Champagne flavor. I contacted them by phone and email on March 6th, gave them lot numbers and they said their QC department would investigate. Here is the response (note the date and they did not even get my name right.)



Nevermind that I did call and the customer service rep even called me back to tell me she had forwarded my complaints to QC.

The order began

Ewww. Even if there is a legitimate reason for the stuff solidifying, it's not something I'd want to put in my atomizer.

 

[Jaaxx]

No way the solid chocolate was normal, it was a 70 degree day when I got it! I'm sorry, but chocolate paste in a bottle is not extract.

 

[Jaaxx]

No way the solid chocolate was normal, it was a 70 degree day when I got it! I'm sorry, but chocolate paste in a bottle is not extract.

The left is the "Clear" vanilla. The right is I have no idea. But apparently they are normal!?

 

[ChainSmkr]

The left is the "Clear" vanilla. The right is I have no idea.

Did you filter and vape the vanilla?

 

[jbbishop]

Hasn't ANYONE tried the liqueur flavoring essences yet?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/8194-liqueur-flavoring-essences.html

I am guessing they are so much better tasting and of better quality than the candy flavors. You don't need to wait and can pick up samples to try at your local brew shop. I'll bet they taste just like the real thing and should be compared to this other line of Natures Flavors.

I for one would certainly look forward to any reports and comparisons.

In my opinion, you can decant if there is sediment or you can siphon with a pipette or you can filter so if the product is ok without the sediment this is a step that should be taken to pursue the promise of the product line.

I also feel more weight should be given to my post about vanilla flavor problems and am hopeful someone besides myself will investigate my suggestions regarding this and perhaps offer yet another comparison.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/5483-help-vanilla-4.html

I do not like the idea of candy flavors (Lorann) for this purpose and these options seem to me to be the most likely source of a promising solution to the disappointing results the candy flavors offer. Certain flavors have a unique standing requiring and innovative solution in my opinion such as menthol and vanilla.

 

[calligal]

Another site which is just like Natures Flavors except in pricing. Bill Sabo is the CEO of both? There are reviews but only on the food coloring (not good) and the tea (great)
They only have organic which I stated earlier one would want to be sure to sample in small doses for allergy reaction.
Not sure how I feel about solid chocolate flavoring or their response. Are you gentlemen getting the concentrate or the extract?

Organic Flavor Extracts -    Seelecttea.com

 

[lewnworx]

Thus far I've only noodled with the Lorann stuff (bought at Hobby Lobby).

In addition to the check for ingredients to rule out oils, I've also noticed that some of the Lorann stuff has a "keep out of contact with mucous membranes", and I file "lungs" under mucous membranes, so I'm steering clear of those as well (notably the "minty" flavors like wintergreen and spearmint). As a result (and due to the limited selection locally) the only flavors I've jacked around with thus far are the orange (pretty decent) strawberry (quite nice). I also have a grape variety, but haven't tried that yet as I don't have any unflavored to work with and thus far have just been diluting the orange and strawberry I purchased at startup.

Will keep you posted as I find more out.

 

[franklyspeaking]

Hey Walrus, is that the guy who played the Jewish doctor in Northern Exposure as your avatar or is that you???

 

[franklyspeaking]

Or maybe Patrick Dempsey?