Liquid question for complete noobie

[GaryInTexas]

Brand new to this e-cig type of nicotine use. Smoking for over 40 years and have RYO for the last 4 years or so. Smoke about 2 packs a day. This certainly looks like something that would work for me but I have never held one of these devices. After many hours reading on this informative forum, I think I am ready to make the plunge. From many of the reviews it appears that the eGo twister would probably be my best point to jump in on. I don't want to spend a bunch of dollars for something that does not work well or does not last very long.
So my initial question is if I get this Twister starter kit eGo Twist Double Starter Kit -Stainless color by Jolly what else would I need to get a good start. Also I am very confused about what liquids would I get? Do I need to buy the liquid in the small bottles or does this take a special cartridge?

 

[darkhood]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/378914-suggestions-newbies.html

 

[smalltwig]

Made me laugh that you call it the Twister. So PG/VG are the two types of liquids out there. PG is less visible smoke, but softer hit. VG is the opposite. Nicotine levels are what I would be concerned with, 2-packs a day, you'd probably want something in the upper 20's or even 30's if you can find it. The brand isn't all that important, and the kit comes a special bottle that allows you fill the cartridge (which you really dont need. With that kind of cartridge, you could just pour in the liquid right out of the dripper bottle). You wouldn't need anything special for that e-cig. People do have preferences though, and sure some fluids are better suited to certain set-ups, but that's like the difference between Regular and Super gasoline. Your car will still RUN just fine. Unless you drive a BMW, then forget about anything below 91. (You're ordering the toyota Camry of the ecig world)

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi and welcome Gary! That's actually a good price for a starter kit, since you definitely need 2 batteries, although they are not Joyetech (the name brand) and people seem to have more problems with knock-offs.

For that kit, you will need to buy the liquid and put it into the CE4 clearomizers that go on top. With the amount of cigarettes you smoked, you will want at least 24mg nicotine (you might have to bump that up to 36mg if you get strong cravings). The taste of liquid is very subjective and will very likely change after you have stopped (or reduced) your smoking, since your taste buds take awhile to heal. You don't want to get large bottles of juice at this point, lots of small samples is a better plan - even flavors you couldn't imagine yourself smoking; you never know what you may like to vape.

While the kit does come with clearos, you should probably get a couple of other "delivery systems" (those are the devices that hold the liquid and delivers it to the heating element to produce vapor), since each has its own pros/cons/quirks. Also, the more systems you have, the easier it is to try different flavors. Unfortunately, that vendor has a poor selection, so you may be buying some soon from somewhere else.

Of what they do have, these are popular:

Kanger EVOD BCC Bottom Coil Changeable Clearomizer - CravinVapes E-cigs & E-liquid

Vivi Nova Mini 2.5ml Tank Kit -Clear - CravinVapes E-cigs & E-liquid

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Hi and welcome to ECF. Also smoked 1- 1 1/2 RYO Rez tobacco for 44 yrs.

Brand new to this e-cig type of nicotine use. Smoking for over 40 years and have RYO for the last 4 years or so. Smoke about 2 packs a day.

Most new vapers start @ 18 or 24 mg. I began @ 36 mg.

After many hours reading on this informative forum, I think I am ready to make the plunge. From many of the reviews it appears that the eGo Twister would probably be my best point to jump in on. I don't want to spend a bunch of dollars for something that does not work well or does not last very long.

I own both the Twist and Spinners and prefer the Spinner because the voltage markings are easier to see and the voltage dial is wider and knurled, easier to turn.

Twist Dial
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Spinner Dial
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So my initial question is if I get this Twister starter kit eGo Twist Double Starter Kit -Stainless color by Jolly what else would I need to get a good start.

My only concern is that the Twists pictured are not genuine JoyTech Twists. There are good knockoffs and terrible knockoffs, Only way you can tell is the "J" logo on bottom of dial.
The 2 x Ce4+ V2 1.6ml Clearomizer -Clear are non rebuildable tanks.
I also noticed on the website he has knockoff Vivi Novas- a horrible product. I would advise only buying Vision (brand) Vivi Novas- have been using them for 6 months without issue.
It's a fairly good price ONLY if the Twists are genuine. I believe if they were they would be advertising them as such.

 

[smalltwig]

My only concern is that the Twists pictured are not genuine JoyTech Twists. There are good knockoffs and terrible knockoffs, Only way you can tell is the "J" logo on bottom of dial.

Good catch, they weren't listed as a distributer on the Joyetech website

 

[alan d]

I too just ordered the eGo Twist as my 1st ecig from the suggestions in the live chat. I'm not just a newbie but real green. It looks like the majority of folks here have been around a long time. I watch some YouTube vids and it's gonna take me awhile to understand everything so thanks in advance for any advice on these products. I stumbled onto an acronym page I need to find again so I can tell what folks are saying but am anxious to get started. I've smoked since I was a kid( I'm 60) but have been smoking Black and Milds since '90 and I buy them by the 10-packs and have been smoking them like cigs for a long time. This method here seems to hold some promise of getting away from regular smokes, I hope. p.s. The brand I bought is Elite Vaporworks. Reputable?

 

[The Ocelot]

If you want to spend just a bit more, Sweet Vapes has authentic Joyetech Twist and Vision Spinner kits:

eGo Twist Kits

http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.browse&category_id=54

They also carry other types of delivery systems (Vivi Nova, Kanger, etc.) you can get in addition to what comes with the kit. These are useful little things to try small amounts of juice with.

http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=vmj_color_plus.tpl&product_id=1541&category_id=39

 

[GaryInTexas]

Thanks for all the quick info folks. I didn't realize these might be knock-offs. I think I'll look elsewhere and not take that chance on it being junk. Appreciate the heads up on that. At least I am on the right track on getting the eGo system it appears.

 

[The Ocelot]

I believe you need to have 5 posts before you can read blogs, but once you do (just say Hi to a few people ) Baditude, one of our esteemed members, has a couple of short articles on what should be in a starter kit and what different delivery systems are available:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3706-4-good-starters-setup-beginning-vapor.html (Kit suggestions)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-1-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-primer-juice-delivery-attachments.html (Delivery systems)

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thanks for all the quick info folks. I didn't realize these might be knock-offs. I think I'll look elsewhere and not take that chance on it being junk. Appreciate the heads up on that. At least I am on the right track on getting the eGo system it appears.

The eGo is a class/ style of PV/ Ecig. Yeah have to be careful about knockoffs- sometimes a win but sometimes a waste of $$. I dealt with someone here just last week that had bought that exact same knockoff Vivi Nova- dry hits and leaks. Best to try and buy from ECF listed/ verified Vendors as they must abide by a strict code of ethics to remain listed here.

Different delivery systems (holds and vaporizes juice):- note bolded Atty, Carto, etc is the abbreviated form

Atomizer/ Atty- an element on to which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped- usually used for testing new juices because Attys are easy to clean. There are some diehard Atty users because it’s the best vape possible but very time consuming.

Cartridge/ Cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the Atty- juice drips on to Atty from filled cart and is vaporized- older outdated first “tank” system and prone to leaks unless the user is willing to buy extra seals and “fiddle” with them.

Cartomizer/ Carto- metal tube with stuffing and element. Holds anywhere form 1- 4 ml of juice. Carto is fully saturated and must be occasionally refilled when juice runs out. My Cartos last 1-2 weeks. Best Cartomizer I’ve found is the Smok Tech XL 1.7 single coil. Boge 2.0 ohm cartos will give a cooler vape. Always use single coil cartos with 3.3- 3.7 PVs for the best vape.

Carto+Tank- a Carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is than placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice saturates Carto by way of hole in Carto. My Cartos with a tank last, before tight draw occurs: light juices- 80-90 ml. dark juices- 50-60 ml.

Clearomizer (includes the Stardust and the Vivi NovaTank)- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing. The rebuildable clearos come with heads (coil+ wick) that can be cheaply ($2.00) and easily (10 sec) replaced. When the head burns out simply unscrew the old head out and screw in new head- takes 10 secs. My Vivi Nova heads are lasting about 10 weeks BUT I wash the heads every few days. I've found the Vivi Nova to give the best draw. Only buy the genuine Vision Vivi Nova.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Juice Components

Flavoring usually about 15%- could be higher or lower depending on the flavor used.
PG (Propylene Glycol- Food Grade)) enhances flavor, TH/ throat Hit and lung hit- water like- many of us believe it to be a throat irritant.
VG (Vegetable Glycerin- Food Grade))= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH/ Throat Hit and lung hit. Nicotine levels are 6, 12, 18, 24 and 36 mg.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG.

Battery Info
100 mah= 1 hr normal vaping before needing recharge. Realize if using higher voltage on a variable voltage PV (Twist, Spinner) the battery will drain quicker. eGo class batteries are good for about 250- 300 recharges before they wear out and must be tossed.

Lots of info to absorb and I would advise you take your time in choosing.

 

[GGidaho32]

Just wanted to chime in and say those CE4 clearomizers are awesome. I got the graduated CE4 from vape dudes and they are great. Easy to clean and semi rebuild'able. I actually purchased this kit Joye eGo CE4 900mAh Express Starter Kit with eJuice But I was not a 2 pack a day smoker, so the one you are thinking of getting will be better. Keep in mind, if you get this start kit, the clearomizer on it is crap. It does not screw apart. Luckily I bought 2 Graduated CE4 clearomizers and they came in the mail when I got the kit. I can also say that buying a 30ml bottle in the beginning might not be a good idea. I bought 2 30ml bottles of ejuices that I just don't like. Sure wished I would have only bought the 10ml bottles.

Well, Good Luck.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

As far as buying the actual juice here's my experience:
Best to buy samples to find your likes and dislikes. When I first began vaping I bought 30 wide ranging samples. Out of those 30 I liked 10. Immediately ordered another 20 and out of those I liked 10…so out 50 different flavors I enjoyed 20. Months later I tried those 30 samples that I disliked and enjoyed all but one. Whether it was because my tastes had changed or they needed steeping I don’t know. Realize also "same name" juices will vary greatly in taste from vendor to vendor as they all have diff recipes and order ingredients from diff Suppliers.

At the time 30 ml bottles of juice were about $18.00 and would've been well over $750. Luckily I bought samplers based on the advice from the Vets here. Finding the right juice is prolly the toughest part of this endeavor. Also our tastes change quickly. Our favorite juice one week tastes absolutely horrible the next week- that's how it is in the beginning.
Best of Luck.

 

[alexstanton511]

Garyintexas,

I have been doing the E-cig thing for about two years now and at first like you was dumbfounded by all the information that is needed to know. I started off like you with cartridges in the ego tank, but these tank and cartridge type E-cigs do not fulfill desire and really are a waste of money. Since you are first starting off I would start with cartomizers which are the atomizer and the cartridge in one that you can throw away after a couple days to a week and a half. I use the smoktech dual coil mega cartomizer for traveling purposes, they are the easiest to fill and vape all day with no need for endless fiddling. I now work with a little more advanced systems but a cartomizer is still my go to easy vape. Some websites will sell kits with ego batteries and cartomizers instead of having to buy the tanks. You will find from any experienced vaper that these tank type systems have endless problems and don't perform which will give you burnt or "dry" hits. The Ego twist is a great solid system, the variable voltage may be not needed at first but gives you room to expand. If you see something you don't understand look it up online the information is all there. As to nicotine I smoke 36 Mg which is the highest MG considered safe. I started on this thinking I could reduce the nicotine level and never did but I now find it to be too strong. For you I would recommend 24 Mg it is the closest to a regular cigarette but honestly I would try a few different e-liquids. Get smaller sample bottles of VG and PG which was already explained on this thread and a few different nicotine liquids around 24 Mg. To be honest I would start with tobacco or Menthol liquids and maybe one fun flavor because the fruity or baked goods flavors might be odd at first. I know this was a long post but I hope this helps it is confusing and I wish I had recommendations from first hand knowledge when I started.
-Alex S

 

[chimsweep]

I believe you need to have 5 posts before you can read blogs, but once you do (just say Hi to a few people ) Baditude, one of our esteemed members, has a couple of short articles on what should be in a starter kit and what different delivery systems are available:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3706-4-good-starters-setup-beginning-vapor.html (Kit suggestions)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-1-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-primer-juice-delivery-attachments.html (Delivery systems)

Ocelot's advice is good and welcome. I am a hardheaded Irishman and I didn't follow the advice exactly and it cost me some money...not much, but listening to posters with experience you can see by their banners is wise on your part. Welcome and take you coat off......you're going to be here a while.

 

[GaryInTexas]

What a fantastic amount of info the forum provides and super quick replies are appreciated. I definitely learned from RYO to only purchase sample sizes starting out. Bought several brands that I just hated, some OK, and some good. I live on a ranch so some days I am in the tractor most of the day and needed to be able to have plenty of vaping capacity with me. I think maybe I will need some combination of carto/clearomizer depending on the days activities. I'm headed back uplink to see if I can follow some of the links you good folks provided.

 

[GaryInTexas]

I believe you need to have 5 posts before you can read blogs, but once you do (just say Hi to a few people ) Baditude, one of our esteemed members, has a couple of short articles on what should be in a starter kit and what different delivery systems are available:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3706-4-good-starters-setup-beginning-vapor.html (Kit suggestions)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-1-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-primer-juice-delivery-attachments.html (Delivery systems)

Just wanted you to know that I could follow your links and that was some very helpful info for me-Thanks

 

[GaryInTexas]

Well slightly off topic, woke up this morning to find that one of my dogs decided to dig out of the fence last night and go skunking. She was successful and proud so she decided to bring her quarry back to yard with her. The smell is not going well with my coffee. I think looking at the various sweet and fruity flavor juices might have to wait until I deal with that.
At least I got my 5th post in.

 

[hvac999]

I agree with the upper 20s or 30s remark. I believe you need to start at the 36mg level, I did. It will give the best throat hit and satisfy all of that nicotine you will be missing. You can always taper down but that initial hump will be the hardest. Get 80/20 PG/VG.