Morning all, I'm hoping for some insight from those with experience at diy. I've recently started mixing, mostly from recipes I've found online and a few of my own, they've all shared one thing in common and that's a lack of "fullness" and "depth". I steep as directed, mix at 15-18% flavor and higher vg but they're all still lacking? Everything I've made has 4-6 flavors. I see a lot of posters saying that marshmallow adds body (I haven't used it yet) are there other elements I'm missing? Should I look for other recipes with specific ingredients that would provide fullness and depth? Thanks in advance.
Liquids lacking in "depth"?
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dannyv45 has a very informative blog post on additives that you should check out!
Marshmallow, cake and custard flavors add body to e-liquids, but it really depends on the kind of flavor you want. Ethyl Maltol (EM) at .5-1% adds body, moisture and reduces sharp notes. You can also mix different versions of a similar/like flavor to get a better end result, like different types of blueberry or strawberry. Each one tends to highlight a different aspect of the flavor, so different types combine well. You just have to find the right ratios. YMMV... 
The mixes have been desserts, as dessert type vapes are my preference.
I got marshmallow on my last order but haven't used it yet. Sounds like I should incorporate marshmallow and/or cheesecake into my mixes. Thanks.Marshmallow, cake and custard flavors add body to e-liquids, but it really depends on the kind of flavor you want. Ethyl Maltol (EM) at .5-1% adds body, moisture and reduces sharp notes. You can also mix different versions of a similar/like flavor to get a better end result, like different types of blueberry or strawberry. Each one tends to highlight a different aspect of the flavor, so different types combine well. You just have to find the right ratios. YMMV...
Careful to overload on flavors. Sometimes less is more for some ingredients. Again some depending on their pH can mute others. Unfortunately this is a matter of experience as this data is not published and we don't all walk around with a pH stick.
One productive technique is to mix flavorings from different sources, e.g. FA and TPA, [say strawberry, to clarify]. This can add notes and character to your mix even if a bit of a balancing act.
Good luck and enjoy!
p.s. Yes marshmallow can add body and a great less-gunk sweetener. But it's one of those that can step on the recipe if overdone.
Add some marshmallow at about 1.5% - 2%, shake well and let sit a day. Then test it. Let us know how it goes.
Also the flavor cotton candy is basically Ethyl Maltol (EM)
Actually member MacTechVpr is correct when he says less is more. I know it sounds counter-intuitive but it is true. If you decide to add 2 like flavors together for a fuller effect be sure to split the % of the original flavor.
i.e. It your recipe calls for 10% of flavor xxx
and you find the same flavor from another vendor maker( FW, Cap, FA...) don't exceed the original 10% called for in the recipe....Can split half and half, or 60/40.....
i.e. It your recipe calls for 10% of flavor xxx
and you find the same flavor from another vendor maker( FW, Cap, FA...) don't exceed the original 10% called for in the recipe....Can split half and half, or 60/40.....
Actually member MacTechVpr is correct when he says less is more. I know it sounds counter-intuitive but it is true. If you decide to add 2 like flavors together for a fuller effect be sure to split the % of the original flavor.
i.e. It your recipe calls for 10% of flavor xxx
and you find the same flavor from another vendor maker( FW, Cap, FA...) don't exceed the original 10% called for in the recipe....Can split half and half, or 60/40.....
Exactly. A balancing act. G'luck.
Some great advice from everyone. Thank you. Tonight I'm going to mix up a few bottles, at least one of which will be my own recipe and I'll include marshmallow for body.
I got marshmallow for rounding out. Haven't really noticed much with it. I use it in my creams. It is alright at least I do use it an it didn't got straight to the don't like won't use can which I have about 30 bottles of
I learned the hard way about increasing flavors to try to boost mixes to taste. What I really needed was standard flavoring amounts with certain additives to enhance flavor and add body. Single flavor mixes are affected that way. They aren't always intended to be one shot flavors.
Finding the right proportions in multiple flavor mixes can be trial and error unless you can find recipes where someone else has been through testing to find the magic mix.
Finding the right proportions in multiple flavor mixes can be trial and error unless you can find recipes where someone else has been through testing to find the magic mix.
What sweetener are you adding, what steep methods/time are you using, are you allowing breathe time? a little more info would help
All the recipes I've made came from somewhere else, none original. I think it's a preference I've developed over time, that need for mouthfeel.What sweetener are you adding, what steep methods/time are you using, are you allowing breathe time? a little more info would help
That doesnt help me understand what sweetener you are using in the recipes, or at what percentage. I also noticed long ago when i started heat steeping it made a drastic change in something that was vapable but wasnt something i really wanted to something i desired. Also found that for some breathing really made the difference for the flavors to mature during the steeping process
. I'm not using any added sweetners, all the sweetness in my recipes have come from the ingredients themselves. None of the recipes I've made contain marshmallow or cheesecake, two ingredients that help with adding body to the recipes, so I'm going to incorporate them going forward. As far as steeping goes, I shake the bottles daily and start trying them weekly.
Ethyl Maltol is a great sweetener at 1% ( i dont like going more) it is good at adding a sublte sweetness and pulls flavors together well and knocks off some of the sharper edges.
Steeping heat steeping helps fruity flavors meld better in my opinion i usually do 2 hours of heat steeping and shake every 15 minutes. you do not want the temp to exceed 150F ideally in the 135F range is about perfect to get them to meld together better. This is also my experience others will have their ways this is what worked for me to get things done faster. IF you have a flavor that needs to breathe when you do the shaking every 15 you can quickly take the cap/lid off do a whole smell/expel some air and then re cap and continue on this will help get rid of any alcohols and other things that can make things taste off also
The Ethyl Maltol solution i use is 10% in PG i use that solution at 1% in mixes that really benefit from it. Either to add a subtle sweet or knock off the corners or just to help tie things together better
Hope whatever you end up doing you enjoy DIY as much as i do!
GOOD LUCK!!!!
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