Liquids lacking in Vapor Production

[tazzmann]

Ok, I have mixed some PG/VG at 50/50 for doing some mixes. I add this amount to the 80% area of a 3ml bottle. I then fill the rest of the bottle with flavoring. Now, when I vape this mixture, the flavors are spot on, but I can't seem to get much in the way of actual vapor. I have ordered pre-mixed stuff from various vendors at 50/50 PG/VG mix and get CLOUDS of vapor. What am I not doing that they are?

Thanks!

Tazz

 

[Nikhil]

Did you properly thin your VG with water/PGA, and shake it well and get it homogeneous?

 

[zoiDman]

Try vaping just your 50:50 mix WITHOUT adding flavoring. If you get "fog", its your flavoring that's the problem.

I have used VG that has been diluted with water and I have used Pure VG in 50% mixtures. Both produce fog.

Some flavors seem to hinder vapor. What flavor did you use?

 

[Nikhil]

Well, if you don't dilute the VG it will have a high vaporization point and your average standard voltage battery / standard resistance atomizer combination won't be hot enough to really get much vaporization going on.

What flavors hinder vapor production? I could see PGA or water-based flavors doing that but most are PG-based, which would produce nearly as much vapor as regular PG.

 

[Switched]

I have run across the same problem when I ordered some "dripping" liquid for the lack of a better word, vapour production was poor. I swear the viscosity indicated straight VG, and the flavour was lacking.

I have since mixed that same flavour liquid in equal parts with an all PG liquid, and wow. Much better vapour production and flavour.

My roll your own is a 80/20 ratio of PG/VG. The VG is cut 4/1 with H2O. Once again pretty much on the money, for me anyway.

Yup, VG needs to be cut. I prefer H2O over PGA, because I do not want the throat hit. When I do use PGA it is usually at 1%, these are usually complex cigar flavoured liquids, where alcohol flavours are used e.g rum, brandy etc... it does give it the "je ne sais quoi" that is missing.

 

[tazzmann]

No, I didn't cut the VG. I thought the PG/flavor was cutting it. If I cut with water, it seems to get too thin. Maybe that is the problem then. Anyway to cut the VG without the entire mix getting too thin?

 

[suddenly]

I have never cut the vg when doing a 50/50 and had good vapor.

 

[JHf]

I have never cut the vg when doing a 50/50 and had good vapor.

+1, but i put the non-cut VG to premixed PG based flavor with 14mg nic....

 

[Nikhil]

Some brands of VG are slightly thicker and some are thinner, and the temperature you keep the liquid at can also affect this. Some peoples' atomizers get hotter than others, so yeah it's not the same for everyone.

Tazzman: It's all about the ratio of VG to water when you dilute it, so if it's too thin just do a greater ratio (i.e. go from 4:1 to 5:1 or more). Sometimes if you're using a lot of PG in the mix you won't need as much dilution, although theoretically that doesn't make sense.

 

[zoiDman]

Some brands of VG are slightly thicker and some are thinner, and the temperature you keep the liquid at can also affect this. Some peoples' atomizers get hotter than others, so yeah it's not the same for everyone. ...

Can't say much in regards to carts because I gave them up for good awhile back. But I have put un-cut VG into 100% VG Based e-Juices many times and used it in cartos. The vapor is outstanding. Not even vapor, more like Fog.

I'm don't realy look for TH in many flavors or DIY mixes. For very sweet flavors I might use un-cut VG. For less sweet blends, I might use VG cut with water.

Putting PGA or Vodka in some flavors does give it a "Pop". Where some blends benifit from a few drops of Dark Rum.

 

[Switched]

No, I didn't cut the VG. I thought the PG/flavor was cutting it. If I cut with water, it seems to get too thin. Maybe that is the problem then. Anyway to cut the VG without the entire mix getting too thin?

Short answer NO!

There are IMHO as many variables as Carter has liver pills, and dripping is probably the worst case scenario. When "one" smoked did they produce "clouds" of vapour? No! So what is the fixation with "clouds" of vapour? It looks cool? Does it do anything for you?

 

[tazzmann]

Actually Switched, for me, I have found that the "clouds of vapor" actually do help with the cigarette cravings. Did I get clouds of vapor from a cigarette, yes and no. However, I don't look at it from a "cool" factor as more of an enjoyment factor. When I see clouds of vapor, it reminds me well of when I was smoking, even though smoking didn't produce that much. When I get very little vapor, something inside triggers and I don't feel like I am smoking. I know it is all a mental thing, but that is me and what I like. All I want to do is try and mimic what I get pre-mixed.

 

[fiveshot_leo]

i didn't know about pure VG killing atty.. so I basically smoked just pure VG, no flavor, nothing. It was to help me get over cigarette smoking craving. I still don't care about flavor..

 

[zoiDman]

... When I see clouds of vapor, it reminds me well of when I was smoking, even though smoking didn't produce that much. When I get very little vapor, something inside triggers and I don't feel like I am smoking. I know it is all a mental thing, but that is me and what I like. All I want to do is try and mimic what I get pre-mixed.

I’m with you on the Vapor thing tazzmann…

When I take a hit off an e-Cig and I don’t get much vapor, my brain says: “ Your Battery is about Dead – The Carto is Empty – Your not getting Enough Nicotine – This isn’t cutting it - e-Cigs Don't Work ! ”. Is any of this true? It might or it might not be.

But when I take a hit and I see lots of Vapor my brain says: “ That was a good hit. – That’s the same amount of Nicotine as an Analog. – You don’t need Analogs – e-Cigs Work.” So seeing Vapor DOES do a lot for me.

It doesn’t have anything to do about being “Cool”. I haven’t thought about things like that for about 30 years and I didn’t think much about them then. Just like I didn’t smoke much around other people, out of respect, I don’t vape much around people either. So there is no one to look cool for.

Anyway, Back to your original question. Did you try Vaping the unflavored 50:50 mix to see if you are getting the vapor you want?

Like I mentioned earlier, I have one or two flavorings that seem to Kill vapor production. PA Tangerine is one of them. The taste is good but it just doesn’t produce vapor. Something in the flavoring is inhibiting vapor production at 50:50 ratio.

 

[tazzmann]

hey zoiDman! I actually switched off the eGo to a Saber Touch 5v unit and I get a lot of vapor out of it no matter which liquid I use now, so I am once again happy. I have also found that the higher voltage unit brings out a lot of flavors that were muted on my eGo. I have a 3.7/6V ST on it's way, so I will see if the 6V brings them out even more or if it makes them too harsh. I also fixed my DIY Lorann's pineapple. After this bottle is gone, I am going to make another and post up the recipe for it. It is delicious! Woohoo!

 

[zoiDman]

Good Deal !!! Sounds like Higher Voltage saved the Day.

Diffinately post your Pineaplle recipe. I wimped out and mixed mine 50:50 with some VikingVapor Pineapple and it is very good. Wished I could have resolved it with my own ingredients but it just wasn't happening.

 

[tazzmann]

Good Deal !!! Sounds like Higher Voltage saved the Day.

Diffinately post your Pineaplle recipe. I wimped out and mixed mine 50:50 with some VikingVapor Pineapple and it is very good. Wished I could have resolved it with my own ingredients but it just wasn't happening.

Will do. It took a LOT of experimenting, but I tracked everything I did. So now I need to consolidate all the data into one recipe, make it and then try it and make sure it comes out the same way consistently.

 

[tazzmann]

Ok, so this is what I did for my pineapple...

For a 10ml bottle:
80% - PG/G mix at 50/50 PG to G
10% - Pineapple
9.5% - Bavarian Cream
5 drops of EZ Sweets sweetner

This tastes just like a pineapple should taste. No chemical taste and the bavarian cream seems to "settle" it down without taking on any Bavarian Cream taste. The sweetener seems to add just the right amount of sweetness to it without going crazy. I also used a different Glycerin and not my normal VG, I got the stuff from Wal-Mart Pharmacy. It is Pharmaceutical grade and just says Glycerin on it. It is thinner than my normal VG and maybe just a touch sweeter tasting to me. It still produces a fair amount of fog though. I have been vaping this mix all last night and this morning (except for my first morning hit of 24mg Butterscotch Almond) and I think I finally found my go-to fruit vape! Woo-hoo!

 

[zoiDman]

...

This tastes just like a pineapple should taste. No chemical taste and the bavarian cream seems to "settle" it down without taking on any Bavarian Cream taste. The sweetener seems to add just the right amount of sweetness to it without going crazy.
....

Hummmm... I've got Bavarian Cream in my DIY box. Will have to give this a try. Would not have thought to use it with Pineapple.

Good Deal Tazz.

 

[tazzmann]

Hummmm... I've got Bavarian Cream in my DIY box. Will have to give this a try. Would not have thought to use it with Pineapple.

Good Deal Tazz.

LOL. Me neither, but I was desperate!

EDIT: The Bavarian Cream I have is NOT LorAnn's. I will have to look it up when I get home to see who the mfg is for it. If you use LorAnn's, you may need to adjust it. The one I have is pretty weak in flavor, so I don't really use it much. Just an FYI!