Lithuania is joining too with 'banfest' - flavour ban is incoming!

[bombastinator]

Parents are filing lawsuits against juul, for "hooking" their children.

My memory is they did already. There was a big class action lawsuit. That’s how juul got its doors kicked down and how we know what very little we do about things like juul blood levels.

I still haven’t found out why JUUL won that suit. Might have been a finding of fact, might have been a technicality.

People attempting it again implies technicality.

 

[airidosas252]

This is the most damning part.

HOWEVER: The translation is confusing, as it kind of reads in English like the PM guy was defending flavorings.

Google Translate

Translation might be finnicky, it's Google Translate after all, but yeah...
Our media constantly change their minds, like one day they'll write the benefits about transitioning from smoking to vaping and next day you'll see our media blindly bashing vaping like it's the worst possible thing ever. And no mention about smoking, at all.
It was bad enough that government introduced taxes to e-liquids, now it's even worse.
I guess our next step will be aroma shots, even though that will be far more expensive.
Why vaping has to be so difficult...

 

[airidosas252]

When it comes to smaller countries, it may just be them following the US lead based on them believing the misinformation. In other words they hear that the US is going to ban flavors "to save the kids", and decide they should "save their kids" too without doing any research themselves or checking facts.

Edit: I should have kept reading before responding. Stols already said basically the same thing.

Actually, you're right. Our country tries to cooperate with USA for unknown reasons, well... For one, because of the dramma about war and stuff. We're far to weak to withstand any kind of attack, regardless of the situation. There's almost 3 million people here in my country.
Minors are the main attraction to this ban. And why e-cigs? Don't minors smoke cigarettes too? Nobody ever mentions that.
Not only it's bad for economy, since e-liquids are now taxed, but people who loved flavours, now they are basically screwed - either pay more money for additional frustration mixing everything up or buy everything of another country. Or basically stop vaping altogether.

 

[ScottP]

either pay more money for additional frustration mixing everything up

Usually mixing your own juice is actually cheaper than buying pre-mixed. Especially if you like simple flavors (one or two flavorings per final mixed flavor). When I was buying premixed, I was paying $35 for a 236ml bottle and that was considered cheap. Now that I make it myself, I can make the same 236ml bottle for less than $1. It does require more upfront costs but long term is way cheaper.

 

[airidosas252]

Usually mixing your own juice is actually cheaper than buying pre-mixed

Sure, I get ya, but there are many people, who complain that their mixed e-liquids don't taste as good as pre-mixed premium ones and that's the issue.
And what I'm saying that in order to get premium e-liquid, you'll basically need to buy aroma shot and some base with nicotine shot. We can only think how expensive that will be.
And nic salts will dissapear from the shelves, the thing that made me completely forget about cigs. Sad life.

 

[Katya]

And what I'm saying that in order to get premium e-liquid, you'll basically need to buy aroma shot and some base with nicotine shot. We can only think how expensive that will be.

First of all, I'm terribly sorry that this nonsense is happening in your country also.

Are you familiar with Inawera? They are in Poland, next door to you, and carry pretty much everything you need to make your own eliquids. Their flavors are very popular here.

Inawera Flavours - Inawera Flavors

They have a thread reviews here also, if you want to learn more:

Inawera- a few reviews

 

[AttyPops]

Minors are the main attraction to this ban. And why e-cigs? Don't minors smoke cigarettes too? Nobody ever mentions that.

That's the question. And I think there's an answer that you can intuit. It's not stated YET. It's the card up the sleeve...the man behind the curtain...the unstated end game.

They DO care about the smoking thing. In reality. But they have to "make a trade" and also reduce nicotine addiction at the same time. IDK about your country, but here they made cigarettes WORSE. They made them burn funny with "FSC - Fire Safe Cigs" that put glue/knots in the tobacco stick to make them go out if not puffed on. They limit flavorings. They play games with nic and limit advertising. They have scary commercials with people that have had cancer and stuff. No more advertising.

Now e-cigs come along, and they're basically TOO SUCCESSFUL. Kiddies don't smoke much, but they do gravitate towards nic, so now they're vilifying Juul and vaping in general. BT owns Juul now.

So it's about the future and the kids. BUT....here's the ace up the sleeve...they're going to eventually have to get rid of smoking, or make it so damn expensive that you just can't afford $100USD for a pack of smokes. I'm guessing that once BT gets a lock on the market, and drives all the other vape business away....THEN....they will say "we're doing our smoke-free-future" and you use our propriarity devices and vape or heat-not-burn...here you go. But they don't want it TOO successful.

So it's a trade..."We'll give you the nic market, and you can take over the vaping scene and do whatever...but you have to get rid of cigs."

Of course, they can't admit that, or say that, but that's where it's going long term. And it's conspiracy I'm sure rationalized "for the public good". Or at minimum, it's BT being decades ahead in this rigged game.

But you're right, on the face of it, a simple "flavor ban" to "save the children" doesn't make a lot of sense when they can flavor it themselves. That's because the end goal is really a bit bigger than that. It's a trade.



And I'm guessing here. But big-tobacco, big-games, and big-money combine with politics and social engineering to make big-deals.

 

[airidosas252]

First of all, I'm terribly sorry that this nonsense is happening in your country also.

Are you familiar with Inawera? They are in Poland, next door to you, and carry pretty much everything you need to make your own eliquids. Their flavors are very popular here.

Inawera Flavours - Inawera Flavors

They have a thread reviews here also, if you want to learn more:

Inawera- a few reviews

First of all, thank you.
I'm aware of Inawera aromas, we had them in stores for quite some time, but now other manufacturers overtook them in sales simply because little to nobody is keen in mixing. (we had only mono flavors and people hated them because of how barebones they were)
If the situation would become so bad, I'm sure I'd buy eliquids abroad: Poland, Latvia, you name it.

 

[airidosas252]

But they have to "make a trade" and also reduce nicotine addiction at the same time

That's a good point right here, but don't cigarettes have countless of other carcirogens and preservatives, which are even worse than nicotine?
Makes me question one thing, why it's so hard to transition from smoking to vaping. There's something in the cigarettes that's trying to keep you attached to cigs as long as possible.
Just like Cola, something in it is addictive enough for you to keep buying it.

 

[ScottP]

Just like Cola, something in it is addictive enough for you to keep buying it.

That would be caffeine.

 

[AttyPops]

Yep, and that's all the more reason to make them "obsolete" in the long run.

Smoking will be so....3rd world. So it will still happen, but you'd have to grow your own, and why? If you weren't originally addicted to it, you'd vape anyway. BT needs the market, though, for the money, or they have no reason to give up making the cancer sticks.

I'm guessing, but not that much. I mean, if you look at PMI's website they out and out tell you they have a "smoke free future". I didn't invent that phrase, that's from them directly.

I suppose they could have WTA juice pods for those that just can't transition or something. Maybe by prescription. Who knows?

 

[bombastinator]

First of all, thank you.
I'm aware of Inawera aromas, we had them in stores for quite some time, but now other manufacturers overtook them in sales simply because little to nobody is keen in mixing. (we had only mono flavors and people hated them because of how barebones they were)
If the situation would become so bad, I'm sure I'd buy eliquids abroad: Poland, Latvia, you name it.

I bought some Inawera aroma shortfills some time ago. I thought I was getting flavorings because they were called “one-shots” which in the USA means a premixed single flavor. The shipping here was very high but the shortfills themselves were quite cheap. A couple bucks a piece. They were actually quite tasty.

 

[airidosas252]

I bought some Inawera aroma shortfills some time ago. I thought I was getting flavorings because they were called “one-shots” which in the USA means a premixed single flavor. The shipping here was very high but the shortfills themselves were quite cheap. A couple bucks a piece. They were actually quite tasty.

A friend of mine tried mixing Inawera aromas quite a while ago. At first, he was ...... off at how difficult it is, since they are really strong (2-3% of it being enough most of the time), but once he got a hold of it, man they were tasty.
I once tried too, sadly, it tasted like a disgusting soap in my mouth. Maybe too much of it got into base lol.

 

[stratus.vaping]

Some of those Baltic states will do anything that the US of A does or asks. I guess the UK will be the same after Brexit as it is proposed that UK will be closer to the US... so chlorinated chicken and vape ban anyone?

 

[airidosas252]

Some of those Baltic states will do anything that the US of A does or asks. I guess the UK will be the same after Brexit as it is proposed that UK will be closer to the US... so chlorinated chicken and vape ban anyone?

It actually hurts my head when I think about this.
That's why I hate politics and anything that's related to it.

 

[bombastinator]

A friend of mine tried mixing Inawera aromas quite a while ago. At first, he was ...... off at how difficult it is, since they are really strong (2-3% of it being enough most of the time), but once he got a hold of it, man they were tasty.
I once tried too, sadly, it tasted like a disgusting soap in my mouth. Maybe too much of it got into base lol.

Flavorings are very individual. It’s the nature of how artificial flavorings work. What may taste good to you may taste nasty to someone else and visa versa. The standard move when it’s available is to find a place with a tasting bar and try a very large number of flavors in a very short time for little money. Might not be available to you though.