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Just thought I would add something on the clones. I have purchased cloned kayfuns and authentic rda's. For me it depends on the original price, if we are talking sub $80 for authentic, and only half that price for a clone. I will buy the authentic. I also agree with the poster that said if the clone was 1/4 the price it would be much harder to decide. I might buy the clone to try it out, and then replace it with the original if I liked it. Currently I have too much quilt, to pull a trigger on a cloned Odin as they are in stock and reasonably prices.

In the end, I am hoping authentic makers can find a way to keep rda's around $50 or less. This is a hard task, but if it is a quality rda China will have a hard time coming out with a clone below $25-$30. This should shut-down the clone market for all, but the tightest idiots.

Keep up the good work Loki Labs, and consider trying to find a way to bring it down to the $50 mark.
 
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I've never bought, used or even seen (in real life) any type of clone and have zero intention of doing so.

I don't do B&Ms and don't really know any vapers other than those I've started (my mom and stepdad). My exposure / experience is limited to what I get from the forums and some facebook / Instagram interactions.

I like to keep it real. :)
 

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Just thought I would add something on the clones. I have purchased cloned kayfuns and authentic RDA's. For me it depends on the original price, if we are talking sub $80 for authentic, and only half that price for a clone. I will buy the authentic. I also agree with the poster that said if the clone was 1/4 the price it would be much harder to decide. I might buy the clone to try it out, and then replace it with the original if I liked it. Currently I have too much quilt, to pull a trigger on a cloned Odin as they are in stock and reasonably prices.

In the end, I am hoping authentic makers can find a way to keep RDA's around $50 or less. This is a hard task, but if it is a quality RDA China will have a hard time coming out with a clone below $25-$30. This should shut-down the clone market for all, but the tightest idiots.

Keep up the good work Loki Labs, and consider trying to find a way to bring it down to the $50 mark.

The only way to bring prices down to that low of a mark is by mass, automated fabrication, or, again outsourcing the making to cheap labor countries, like China. Automated fabrication would only bring prices down after quite some time as there would be a major investment in capital to get that going. If outsourced, you would lose a lot of control over the quality, and you might as well get a clone anyway. For being American made, and the quality of the product, the prices at Loki are totally fair and justified in my opinion, wouldn't warrant buying any clones of their products.

I've never bought, used or even seen (in real life) any type of clone and have zero intention of doing so.

I don't do B&Ms and don't really know any vapers other than those I've started (my mom and stepdad). My exposure / experience is limited to what I get from the forums and some facebook / Instagram interactions.

I like to keep it real. :)

I bought an HCigar Nemesis back when I was just starting out and getting into mechanicals. I wasn't about to spend over $200 on a battery tube and still won't. And the nemmy was rare to find. I'm glad I did that, because shortly thereafter, I found Reos, and that's all I have bought since. I bought an EhPro Atomic to practice bottom feeding an atomizer. I wasn't about to try that on an authentic atty at over $100. But I won't buy clones just to buy clones. I paid good bucks for my VA Cyclone and AFC, which I have now traded for a second Odin from someone who really didn't like it (plus some cash on his part), I have a divo, and RM2's, and others. I also don't do B&Ms, and I don't know any other vapers around here. My total exposure to the vaping world has been right here at ECF. At this point, if I find something I really want, but is a little expensive, I'll just save for it rather than getting a sub-standard clone.
 

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I'm all about quality, even though they might be some quality clones out there. I stick to authentic only. But hey we are free to buy whatever we wish I don't knock on the people that buy clones it just ain't my thing.
Mine either. I'd rather have the quality. I only did the clone thing for the reasons specified above, and not to be cheap.
 
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Well with all of this talk about clones in my thread...

You might be happy to know we have been working in another RDA design that will be in the $35-45 retail range.

I am not a clone supporter of any kind. I'm appalled that someone felt the need to point out a clone of my product was on the market in my paid sales space. Of course there is, China doesnt care as they clone everything.

Clones are theft, buying clones is just condoning theft. To me its no different then someone walking into your home and taking your tv. Theft is theft.

I do agree some prices are outrageous and Loki Lab's mentality isn't about wallet gouging. Prices should not be your excuse to buy a clone. Not spending $4-12 (depending where you live)a pack a day on smokes should make it a little easier to save money.

Now if we can get back to the main topic that would be great. [emoji9]
 
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Thanks for the drip tip :), this thing is a beast in Dual Coils the chamber is much smaller than i expected great flavor IMO
 

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Craig...I think yoose guys do FANTASTIC work and IMO you priced the Odin perfect!!! I actually couldn't believe the Odin was only $65 when you first released them.

Keep making quality products and I (and many others, right Russ) will keep buying them!!!

Thanx for all you guys do!!


Well with all of this talk about clones in my thread...

You might be happy to know we have been working in another RDA design that will be in the $35-45 retail range.

I am not a clone supporter of any kind. I'm appalled that someone felt the need to point out a clone of my product was on the market in my paid sales space. Of course there is, China doesnt care as they clone everything.

Clones are theft, buying clones is just condoning theft. To me its no different then someone walking into your home and taking your tv. Theft is theft.

I do agree some prices are outrageous and Loki Lab's mentality isn't about wallet gouging. Prices should not be your excuse to buy a clone. Not spending $4-12 (depending where you live)a pack a day on smokes should make it a little easier to save money.

Now if we can get back to the main topic that would be great. [emoji9]
 

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I'm appalled that someone felt the need to point out a clone of my product was on the market in my paid sales space. Of course there is, China doesnt care as they clone everything.

FWIW I would want a mod maker to know when such things happen ASAP. I keep my modder friends in the know whenever I see one of their products cloned. They then order one, and then we laugh and laugh as we watch the threads strip, the attys leak, etc. Clones almost always suck, which is why stormtroopers can't shoot straight.

Knowing how much these things cost to make (also from my modder friends), the Odin is very very very well priced.

OK, to move on and annoy the bejsus out of you:

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It doesn't make much sense to make only 1 of those prototype inserts...

1. Raynman
2. Quincas
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:)
Never said I was going to make it. :p Maybe later down the road as we're so busy now. Only other option would be a injection mold for a peek insert. The mold alone would probably be $4k+, not cost effective at all.
 
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