Long time vaper looking for better TH, new technologies (TC)...

[robertboyl]

Hi, everyone!

Ive been vaping for a couple of years, and as much as I like it, I dont like to over complicate it. Dont wanna make my own coils or have too much of a hard time, just vape

My setup is currently istick, pico and Nautilus BVC 1,6ohm coils or so. It's ok, but of course, not the same throat hit as a cigarrete I have been able to, for many years, to remain without cigarretes, but sometimes, this last year, I did have very occasionaly a cigar like hav a tampa (try to avoid at all costs they say its worse than cigarretes!) and the hit I get, like cigarretes, is just bettera s much as i know vaping is different and did adapt to it too...

I was wondering, is it worth it for me to get a temperature control tank? Will it give me a much better throat hit then my normal Nautilus BVC with "normal coils"? I tried to read a bit about it, but so much info... I have little time, wanted to keep it simple, but of course, if I can get more TH, Id love it.

Im gonna do an online puchase for more Nautilus BVC coils. Is it a good option, to do a test, to get a Aspire Triton 2 V2 tank + a few Aspire Triton Coils too? In terms of giving me a much better throat hit and not too much work? My Istick already supports TC...

If so, what coil you recommend? Where I purchase it, it shows

0.3 Ohm [+$0.50]
0.4 Ohm [+$0.50]
0.5 Ohm - Clapton [+$0.50]
1.8 Ohm
0.15 Ohm (Ni200 - TC)

So for TC Id get the 0,15 ohms, which is also sub-ohms, right? maybe that's the one to get?

On my decide its easy? I just set temperature and rock'n roll? Whats the easiest way to use the TC on the istick, at least a first test?

Thanks, everyone!

- Rob

 

[DeloresRose]

It’s hard for this not to get a bit complicated. I’m a long time vaper in the same boat. I successfully used plus ohm tanks with simple VV mods for years, but fell off the wagon recently, and dual using while I sort myself out.

A lot of mods will go either way, mtl or dL, as long as the watts go high enough for the latter.

The lingo is all new to me, after not following all the new tech. But my take is, sub ohm is sort of a natural progression, although not for everyone. I use both daily. I feel like I get more nic faster with dL (subohm).

I make my own juice, so I can do it however, depending on the tank and other preferences. I use a a higher pg and nic for 1.6 than for .5, and have not really tried any lower coils than that yet.

So that’s where I am. Will be interesting to hear from folks with more to say on this!

 

[DeloresRose]

Oh, and about tc... I don’t get it yet. I have mods with tc but use them in wattage. You’re supposed to use a certain type of coil with tc modes, but that’s all I know lol.

 

[stols001]

Typically, sub0hming won't give you as much of a throat hit, but in TC mode, sometimes a lower resistance won't matter as much, depending on your temperature settings. But, TC by itself isnt' going to necessarily affect your throat hit, it's the amount of nic an PG (and sometimes, additives in the juice) that seem to provide a throat hit, so I'm not sure lowering resistance drastically won't really get you in the right direction, as you'd also have to lower your nic content a bit if dealing with a sub0hm coil. You'll get more vapor, certainly, but typically sub0hm tends to have less throat hit unless you keep your nic high, and that might open you up to nicotine overload, so IDK.

Most folks who like TC tend to describe the vape as "smoother" and more consistent. You certainly can use TC mode with a higher ohm coil if you wish, and the triton may or may not be a good choice, depending on how you vape it. It's unfortunate that many MTL coils don't offer TC coils as an option. They can be found, or sometimes created (even with drop in coils, for example the Joytech CLR coil can be recoiled fairly easily with TC wire and can work fairly decently in TC mode. But, that's not exactly what you are looking for.

I'd say maybe try the triton coils, although the CLR coil also comes in a titanium version at 0.5 resistance, IIRC (please check, but I'm fairly sure) that can be used in temp mode if you desire. Tanks that take that coil include the Ego Mega One V2 tank, or the Tron-S (does a bit less well with TC, according to at least one member, as it's kind of a bottom fill but the way the tank is constructed can make it less reliable.

I found it easiest to get into TC as a MTL vaper by using rebuildables, but I also understand your reasons for not wanting to do that.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[Baditude]

Throat hit comes primarily from the nic concentration of you e-liquid. High nic content = more throat hit. Higher pg (propylene glycol) also adds some throat hit, but not near what the nic concentration does.

Temp control is just a more specific way of delivering power to the heating coils in the juice attachment, as opposed to the simpler wattage or power mode. You can only vape in Temp Control mode with the correct wire coils, such as stainless steel or Ni; you can't use TC with Kanthal coils. You can vape in Power mode with stainless steel or Kanthal wire.

I've tried TC, but honestly I never figured out the best way to set it up on my mod, using stainless steel coils. IMHO, wattage mode already works great for me with the stainless coils so I figured TC wasn't worth all the fuss.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how sub-ohm vaping would give you more throat hit. Using sub-ohm does concentrate the vapor, so most users drop their previous nic concentration by half. But that comes at the expense of consuming more e-liquid and draining your batteries faster.

 

[robertboyl]

Wow! Such a short time and great replies, thanks everyone!

You all helped me decide, at least for now Ill stick with my regular setup

I forgot to say, I use 0 NIC or 0,1 MG NIC. I was at 0 Mg, but after a bit of fallback with a few cigars, Im back to 0,1 mg... Maybe its even phsycological. Anyways, maybe what I can do is have 1 juice with like 2 mg of NIC... Just for those harder times, where the friends are drinking, smoking, where I feel like I need a bit more TH and so... %)

this site really interesting on TH.
Vapers: 6 Ways To Tailor Your Throat Hit Experience

It does mention, as one of the factors, increase power or temp to get more hit, but it really doesnt seem like TC (or subohms?) really will help the TH. I saw some video somewhere saying the subohms might...?

I remember the Vivi nova gave me a good feeling too, in terms of taste... There isnt some tank similar to Nautilus BVC, not subohms or TC that you think can improve the th, right? I see the TH is more related to nic and perhaps a few other factors such as the link above implies. Anyways, it will never be like a normal cigarrete, of course. And one thing Ive always fest when vaping, if the coil is wearing off, replace it asap. Or else you try to get satisfaction and dont. So sometimes, coils dont last so much for me, less than perhaps what theyre supposed to. Sometimes theyre still usable, but I dont get that hit on the lungs right away, I replace...

Thanks again, everyone!

 

[stols001]

Well, if you are looking for a new tank, you could try the Kabuki, it takes Nautilus coils and turns them into flavor machines. It is also bottom fill, and not cheap. You could TRY a clone at Fasttech, although my experience with them is that they don't really deliver as much as the originals (although for a fraction of the price). It could give you a sense if this tank is something you'd want to fool with, but I really can't (personally) guarantee that the flavor will be in any way like the originals (they aren't).

You also get the fun of supporting a US manufacturer. You can find them at House of Hybrids or Zen (the site's connected). With that said, I can't make any guarantees about throat hit, I am PG sensitive and never get one. I will say I liked the first one I got enough to get a second... And I certainly still use them. Etc. It will definitely be an improvement on the N2 tank (that was my quitting tank, and full disclosure, I don't vape the N2 anymore, my husband is currently using them to quit. However, it's a well designed tank and the flavor improvement is quite startling. IMO it's the best use of the Nautilus coils created yet, plus a lifetime warranty on everything except the quartz glass, as needed.

Just a thought.

Anna

 

[Baditude]

You could get a subohm tank to see if it may give the effect that you desire.

Subohm coils and tanks require more power. You didn't say what wattage your iStick has. You'd need at least a 60 watt mod to use sub-ohm coils and still retain decent battery life.

I always like to recommend the original Uwell Crown clearomizer tank. It is classified as a sub-ohm tank (has 0.25 ohm and 0.5 ohm coils, in addition to temp control Ni coils of 0.12 ohm), but you can also use 1.2 ohm coils in it if you end up not liking sub-ohm. I did a review of this tank in this thread: Tanks & RDA's Ratings & Explanations

 

[ScottP]

Using higher nic juice (and higher PG) is by far the safest, easiest, and cheapest way to add TH. Of course you could try different tanks and mods with varying results. You could also get some of Capsicum Heat to add to your juice. It would definitely add TH, and tongue hit, lip hit, and maybe even nose and eye hit too.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

A lot going on here...

Sub-Ohm vaping takes more power, uses more juice and you typically use a low nicotine concentration. You don't have to do direct-lung (DL) to use a coil with resistance lower than 1.0 Ohms, but most sub-Ohm users do.

DL for many users means more vapor--thicker and larger clouds. The amount of vapor inhaled straight through the windpipe right into the lungs takes the place of throat hit, especially with a long, slow exhale.

Temperature control is still somewhat complicated, even with the rapid advance of technology. There are ready-made factory coil heads that support TC, but there are only a handful that are actually good with it.

TC is a lot more enjoyable with devices using rebuildable atomizers so if rebuildables is not your cup of tea, wattage may be best for you.

It's also not very plus-Ohm friendly. A lot of TC capable mods--including the Pico--have an upper resistance limit of 1.5 Ohms for TC, so 1.6 Ohm coils won't work even if they're the right material.

 

[r77r7r]

A lot going on here...

Sub-Ohm vaping takes more power, uses more juice and you typically use a low nicotine concentration. You don't have to do direct-lung (DL) to use a coil with resistance lower than 1.0 Ohms, but most sub-Ohm users do.

DL for many users means more vapor--thicker and larger clouds. The amount of vapor inhaled straight through the windpipe right into the lungs takes the place of throat hit, especially with a long, slow exhale.

Temperature control is still somewhat complicated, even with the rapid advance of technology. There are ready-made factory coil heads that support TC, but there are only a handful that are actually good with it.

TC is a lot more enjoyable with devices using rebuildable atomizers so if rebuildables is not your cup of tea, wattage may be best for you.

It's also not very plus-Ohm friendly. A lot of TC capable mods--including the Pico--have an upper resistance limit of 1.5 Ohms for TC, so 1.6 Ohm coils won't work even if they're the right material.

I didn't know that tc had an upper limit. Does this include the Replay?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I didn't know that tc had an upper limit. Does this include the Replay?

Replay is a feature on the new DNA250C chip from Evolv. Only a few mods have that chip, but more are coming.

Joyetech, Eleaf, Wismec and a handful of other mods that use the Joyetech chip all have the 1.5 Ohm upper limit in TC.

 

[robertboyl]

Thanks again, everyone!!! Great tips.

I didnt relate to NIC, I kind of new it indirectly. I new I got more pleasure from the NIC. Hence I still have some 0,1 MG juice... But was trying to use just 0 mg.

I just made a batch of 3mg to use when I feel the need for something heavier and more TH, already helped

I also got one of those Breeze units, which I believe will be a simple, cheap way to test the sub-ohms, besides I always liked the devices that you can take a hit without having to press a button, even better if I could like a cigarrete, use them with no hands ) (tried those ego batteries that are automatic, pitty they dont last long in terms of battery power).

All the best!!

 

[Ryedan]

Thanks again, everyone!!! Great tips.

I didnt relate to NIC, I kind of new it indirectly. I new I got more pleasure from the NIC. Hence I still have some 0,1 MG juice... But was trying to use just 0 mg.

I just made a batch of 3mg to use when I feel the need for something heavier and more TH, already helped

I also got one of those Breeze units, which I believe will be a simple, cheap way to test the sub-ohms, besides I always liked the devices that you can take a hit without having to press a button, even better if I could like a cigarrete, use them with no hands ) (tried those ego batteries that are automatic, pitty they dont last long in terms of battery power).

All the best!!

First off, welcome back Robert

You've got some great advice here already, just wanted to add a couple more thoughts.

Subohm vaping has changed a lot over the years. Back in 2012-2014'ish sub ohm setups on mechanical mods were the only way to get higher than around 15-20 watts from a regulated mod. That has changed now with the development of very good and inexpensive higher power regulated devices. Then there are also the other wire materials we use now like stainless steel, which has significantly less resistance per foot. The old concept of sub ohm relating to higher power and more juice consumption is still around though.

I'm vaping a DoggyStyle rebuildable tank with a single col, using 28 gauge Kanthal, 0.9 ohms at 14 watts. When I use stainless steel of the same gauge and build the resistance is about 0.5 ohms and it vapes virtually exactly the same at 14 watts as my current 0.9 ohm setup. In a mech mod the 0.9 ohms would give me 13-18 watts depending on battery voltage, and with the 0.5 ohms it would be 23-30 watts, which would be a very nasty, burnt vape. Regulated mods really change the old concept of sub ohm vaping significantly.

 

[Ryedan]

A lot of TC capable mods--including the Pico--have an upper resistance limit of 1.5 Ohms for TC, so 1.6 Ohm coils won't work even if they're the right material.

True Coastal Cowboy, but considering the lower resistance of SS, and more so Ni and Ti, there is no need to go higher than 1.5 ohms. A SS coil at 1.5 ohms equals about 2.5 ohms in Kanthal.

 

[robertboyl]

Thanks, Ryedan! But you dont necessarily get a better throat hit with your setup or do you?

I will try the Breeze unit, its simpler, but I guess I will see how sub-ohms feels

Thanks

 

[ScottP]

Thanks, Ryedan! But you dont necessarily get a better throat hit with your setup or do you?

I will try the Breeze unit, its simpler, but I guess I will see how sub-ohms feels

Thanks

I also just thought of something. In addition to the PG and nic, you can try adding some menthol or some unflavored "cooling agent" that can also add TH. I really like Wintergreen with some cooling agent added. Gives a decent TH and tastes like a Wintergreen Ice Breakers(r).

 

[robertboyl]

Thanks a lot. The thing is, dont enjoy menthol and when I tried cooling agents, neither. I prefer more similar to tabacco, less sweet, like the RY1.