Long time vaper - moving to sub ohm - advice needed

[ogvapes]

Hey everyone. I've been gone from the forum for years and had to create a new account as I no longer remember the info from my prior one.

I've been vaping since 2009: back in the days before VV/VW mods and the original 510 attys, cartos and tanks (which leaked everywhere, oh what fun that was).

Once I found a setup I liked (and having a busy life), I left the community.

The setup I've been using for a long time is a Nautilus Mini tank and 1.8 ohm coils at 4.9 volts (12.5 watts).

Re-entering the world of vape news I realized just how far things have come and what I've been missing out on.

I'm hoping to gradually move to sub ohm vaping (if it's right for me) - and have some coils on the way that are 0.7 ohm's which I was informed was a good way for me to try it out without experiencing a total shock to the system (along with lower nicotine liquid).

I'm a little confused on ohm to wattage equations and could use a little help. I've found all the calculators for it but from my "back in the day" experience I'm having trouble understanding it. 1.8 ohms at 12.5 watts (my current setup) seems to translate to ~30 watts for 0.7 ohms according to the calculator. Where I'm getting tripped up is that "back in the day" a 1.8 ohm atty would work nicely with a 5V mod. A "low-resistance" atty would produce the same results at 3 volts. So shouldn't a 0.7 ohm coil translate to a lesser volt/wattage need than I'm using now? I know I'm wrong - that sub ohm vapers use high wattage -- I'm just confused when comparing it to what once was norm. Maybe I have it all backwards and I'm experiencing a brain fart... Looking forward to your feedback.

Cheers.

 

[stols001]

Hi Oldskool vaper, and welcome back. Trying the 0.7 coil should give you a bit of a sense of what sub0hming is like, but I have found not huge differences with that coil, due to the fact that it is "slightly" sub0hm and the tank is build around MTL vaping (airflow, driptip, etc.) I have vaped that coil at similar wattages to the 1.6 or 1.8 coil, and unless I turned up the wattage for more vapor production (not always necessary) well, what I've found is that the vape can be quite similar. To get more of a "sub0hm" effect you are going to want to loosen airflow and turn up wattage a bit.

Generally, you don't need to worry about ohms too much, as long as your (regulated) mod has the wattage to support how YOU like to vape it. I didn't change wattage much with the 0.7 coil, but I found I was getting good vapor production generally, although if you do want to raise your wattage, the resistance should totally support that.

With a regulated mod, though, what really matters most is that it's a resistance that the mod supports, (for example, many regulated mods won't fire below, say a 0.1 resistance for example and that you can get enough vapor production within a safe wattage range for your mod and battery. You won't have any problems doing that, I can almost guarantee it, as you probably won't be needing SUPER high wattages for that coil (although it may well vape better, for you, at a higher wattage than the other coils) but you won't need say, 100 watts. Probably somewhere in the 15--20 watt range MAY work but just install it and prime it like you usually do and keep increasing until you are satisfied.

If you were wanting to put a dedicated sub0hm tank on the zelos (say, something around 0.2 resistance) then you might run into problems with your battery if needing to push 50--80 watts from it.

But, just like at any resistance, it is mostly as simple as increasing wattage slowly until you find a vapor production you like. It's not the resistance drawing "more" as I understand it (these days anyway) it's more about does your mod provide enough wattage to "happily" vape a lower resistance coil. Which it will.

The main thing though is that there can be more to "just" wattage, for example often when using sub0hm equipment, even drop in coils are more substantial and will often have more "metal mass in the build" and that can be one reason why some say, octocouple coils need more wattage-- to even be able to "heat" all that mass up. But, you are a fair distance from that place, so it's not something to worry about very much at this moment, just focus on what wattage you "like" with that resistance coil, I'm pretty sure you'd torch the coil well below running out of "wattage," as the Zelos, depending on which one is 50--75 watts, max. I think that would blow out your coil long before you hit "terminal" wattage.

But mainly, wattage is pretty much what you need to be keeping track of in a regulated mod. You don't want to "redline" a mod by being very very close to "terminal" wattage, and with your setup I don't think you will be near that wattage, but you can certainly play around with wattage a fair amount without worry.

Sorry, I don't know how helpful this is, but hopefully some of it will

Anna

 

[ogvapes]

Hi Oldskool vaper, and welcome back...

Thanks Anna - that was extremely helpful! I'll play around with it today and report back. I have a well regulated mod and all I need to worry about is burning out a coil (I purchased several with the mindset of that happening). I'll be back with an update. Thanks again!

 

[AzPlumber]

Two things to consider, first, lower resistance is typically a thicker gauge wire requiring a bit more wattage to initially/quickly get heat in the coil. Second, thicker wire with more wattage will require more airflow to keep the coil from getting too hot.

 

[ogvapes]

Two things to consider, first, lower resistance is typically a thicker gauge wire requiring a bit more wattage to initially/quickly get heat in the coil. Second, thicker wire with more wattage will require more airflow to keep the coil from getting too hot.

Thanks that makes sense.

 

[Baditude]

Most factory-made, drop in coils for clearomizer tanks have recommended wattage ranges for that coil. If not actually on the coil itself, the package or the manufacturer website will have that information. Always start out with the lower wattage range suggested, and then gradually increase the power setting until you detect that the vapor is too warm, and then back down a couple steps.

For example, on my Uwell Crown tank, it has the following recommendations for wattage according to the coil used:

• 0.15 ohm Dual Ni200 Nickel Uwell Crown Sub-Ohm Coil - 400 to 600 Degrees Fahrenheit
• 0.25 ohm Dual Stainless Steel Uwell Crown Sub-Ohm Coil - 80 to 120W
• 0.5 ohm Dual Stainless Steel Uwell Crown Sub-Ohm Coil - 30 to 80W
• 1.2 ohm Single Stainless Steel Uwell Crown Coil - 10 to 30W

 

[ogvapes]

Thanks @Baditude & co. I've got it working nicely and I'm really enjoying it. I'm glad velvet vapors talked me down from my usual 18mg to 10mg when I made the move to this!

 

[DingerCPA]

Welcome (back) @oldskoolvaper

When I got serious with vaping a few years ago, I "swore" I'd never subΩhm. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I had started rebuilding my PT2 heads and got really comfortable with building. Then I started venturing toward the "darkside" I'm finding now that I prefer the airier draw and the thicker clouds. I mix my own juice, and I'm pretty much Max VG (only PG comes from flavors). Doesn't really matter whether it's a pre-built or a home-built coil. Start a little "low" and work your way up to what works for you. I think that has never changed IMHO.

Depends on the mod, too. I haven't pulled out a mech in awhile, but with all my regulated, I start at a wattage that lands me around 3.5V and work my way up to what's comfy for me. I'm currently vaping a Voltrove V2 Mini with dual coils ringing in around 0.2Ω and only about 52.5W. It's just around 3.2-3.3V, and it's a very happy place for me.

Try stuff out and enjoy the new era of Vaping

 

[ogvapes]

Thanks for the encouragement @DingerCPA! I'm vaping on my new Minikin Reborn at 30W with my 0.7 ohm coil and it's kicking me in the n**s. Maybe less nic next time.

 

[DingerCPA]

Thanks for the encouragement @DingerCPA! I'm vaping on my new Minikin Reborn at 30W with my 0.7 ohm coil and it's kicking me in the n**s. Maybe less nic next time.

Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz......

I'm down to 3mg now, and I could probably go without, but there's a small mental issue with going completely 0mg.....

 

[ogvapes]

Buzz buzz buzz buzz buzz......

I'm down to 3mg now, and I could probably go without, but there's a small mental issue with going completely 0mg.....

I tend to think my body knows how much nicotine it "needs" and will tell me to put it down once I hit that level. That was the case until my brain kicked in and said - hey wait a minute we're supposed to be chain vaping over here!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thanks for the encouragement @DingerCPA! I'm vaping on my new Minikin Reborn at 30W with my 0.7 ohm coil and it's kicking me in the n**s. Maybe less nic next time.

Yes, lower the nic strength......It is usually recommended not to go much over 6mg when sub-ohming and you seem to have found out why. Totally different animal these days as opposed to 'back in the day'. Those were some good times, but man, I would not ever want to go through all that mess again.

 

[ogvapes]

Yes, lower the nic strength......It is usually recommended not to go much over 6mg when sub-ohming and you seem to have found out why. Totally different animal these days as opposed to 'back in the day'. Those were some good times, but man, I would not ever want to go through all that mess again.

It's pretty strong but I have the willpower/intelligence to put it down when needed or switch over to my other one if I need to chain vape. It was only a 10mg bottle so no issue on tweaking the nic for my next order.

They were good times haha. Yeah it was messy but at least it wasn't a mainstream attraction.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Hello oldskool. Not another one leaving the mtl faithful?
Why o why

Even took a time warp myself with the naughty...

Don’t leave

 

[scott58]

Good info. I've been considering subohm. I'm still using the Nautilus and Nautilus mini. May follow your lead.

 

[ogvapes]

Hello oldskool. Not another one leaving the mtl faithful?
Why o why
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Even took a time warp myself with the naughty...

Don’t leave

I travel enough that (not that I ever stealth vape, ehem...) I need to have the option to vape without blowing clouds + I have mtl style tanks out the wazoo so I'm not walking away altogether hehe.

 

[ogvapes]

Good info. I've been considering subohm. I'm still using the Nautilus and Nautilus mini. May follow your lead.

I figured it was worth trying. I just picked up 3 coils and a 10mg bottle from velvet vapors and now I know.

 

[vapdivrr]

Your gonna have to change your name again to newschoolvapor.

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[ogvapes]

Your gonna have to change your name again to newschoolvapor.

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Valid point LOL.

 

[vapdivrr]

Valid point LOL.

Or just longtimevapor, that will suit a new or old style

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