You obviously do not understand how "power regulated, variable wattage" works.
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You obviously do not understand how "power regulated, variable wattage" works.
Should I educate u? Looks like u got some personal problems... no need for insulting understand first before u spit that dirty mouth... or just keep on vaping... cheers
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Your comment that variable wattage is not a plus leads me to believe you are unaware of how variable wattage works. Since most vapers and most reviews of APV's agree that variable wattage has advantages over variable voltage, that is a reasonable assumption to make and why I disagreed with your statement. I guess there are many of us who have "personal problems", in your mind, because we do not agree with you.
Well if u dont agree with me there's no need for an insult... and also vw is no real advantage over vv since both of them performs depends on the resistance and since u r really aware on how vw works try the formula with both devices with vv and vw and find it out urself dont just rely on the reviews... vv is more accurate or better in delivering watts... try .08 ohm on vv e.g. the ProVari on 3.4 v and u will get 14.45 watts which is actually my set up... now figure that out... since ure acting like smart and "I know better than u" I am not into arguing whats and whos better... im just sharing or voicing out my opinion to help a fellow vapor decide what to get and in the end of the day it is gonna be up to him... my advice try to avoid the insulting reply and look for a better nice words if u dont agree with someone... not like telling me if im unaware with stuff... this is an open forum whether u like it or not u wont be agreeing with someone but learn some respect... now let's vape on! Cheers!
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I have talked with several electrical engineers on this subject as well as veteran APV reviewers. Power regulated variable wattage is a better and more consistent means to regulate power to the atty than variable volts. A power regulated variable wattage APV automatically adjusts the power of the unit to meet the user settings regardless of the change in resistence. As resistence changes through use or by changing the head, VW adjusts, VV does not. This is well documented here on ECF and in electrical engineering journals. I also have no desire to argue, but just want a new person to have accurate information that is supported by those with more knowledge that either you or I.
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The only advantage that VW has over VV is the VW device automatically adjusts the voltage depending on the resistance of the attached carto or atty for the power(watts) you have the device set to. It's not rocket science, it is a very basic mathematical formula: Power(watts) is equal to Voltage squared divided by Resistance(ohms). With VV you input the voltage, with VW the device does it for you. I don't know why you act like VW is so much better when it is not actually any better, they both do the same thing, to get more or less power, voltage has to be adjusted, its not really a difficult operation. It is not magic, the VW device has the formula built into the chip and is not doing anything differently than what a VV device does, the only difference is in VV the user has to do the SIMPLE mathematical formula, pretty simple really.
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You just re-enforced my point. For many of us, simple and automatic IS better. I never made any claims that VV is bad or VW is leaps and bounds better, just that it is better for the reasons you stated. I responded to a comment that there was no real difference between the two. Whether the difference is small or large, depending on one's perspective, is irrelevant. Stating or implying that there is no difference is inaccurate and less that forthright.
Now ure saying theres no difference? Read ur post 23 and 25... anyways we r all here to help a fellow vaper so lets move on... lets vape on! Cheers
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Look, I get it, VW is easier for a lot of folks because they don't want or can't do the calculations on their own. The point I am making is when you say "Power regulated variable wattage is a better and more consistent means to regulate power to the atty than variable volts", this is not totally honest either, both devices modify power by adjusting voltage, ie in the same way. The only difference being VW does the calculation for you. Would you like me to give you the calculation needed to figure out what to set your voltage to with a given power setting? It's really easy.
This is not a new argument... it started back when Provari first came on the scene, shortly followed by the Darwin. ( i think; can't remember exact dates but sometime in 2010 )
wv2win is not new to the argument and I think he makes his point; whether someone insulted the other first actually i didn't see it.. or whether one says it's better or not.....i hope we all got the info we need and want. We have opinions here.
I'm sure I debated with wv2win to a degree, just because I preferred the Provari, and as i posted above, I think the Provari is better than the readily available VW devices just because its strong points outweigh the benefits of the Zmax V2 and the Vamo with VV VW .. imo.
There i say it; the Provari is better than those...my opinion...
but that said, I sure wish the Provari had VW because i love that "set it and forget it" feature.
Before i got into Genesis atomizers, i actually found myself using the Zmax's more than the Provari... even though I had my Provari because its a more reliable and durable device.
[this is all moot to me btw because i am solely into mechanical and hybrid devices for Genesis atomizers]
wv2win is not new to the argument and I think he makes his point; whether someone insulted the other first actually i didn't see it.. or whether one says it's better or not.....i hope we all got the info we need and want. We have opinions here.
I'm sure I debated with wv2win to a degree, just because I preferred the Provari, and as i posted above, I think the Provari is better than the readily available VW devices just because its strong points outweigh the benefits of the Zmax V2 and the Vamo with VV VW .. imo.
There i say it; the Provari is better than those...my opinion...
but that said, I sure wish the Provari had VW because i love that "set it and forget it" feature.
Before i got into Genesis atomizers, i actually found myself using the Zmax's more than the Provari... even though I had my Provari because its a more reliable and durable device.
[this is all moot to me btw because i am solely into mechanical and hybrid devices for Genesis atomizers]
And yes, as I stated it, it is totally honest. VW is better from the standpoint that it is more consistent and DOES THE AJUSTMENT FOR YOU. If you like to make the changes yourself, great, stick with VV. There are only thousands of threads, especially from newer members, stating they want their PV to do as much as possible for them, be consistent and hassle free. Is that concept way too difficult for you to understand??? Do you really think everyone is like you and wants to do their own adjustments and calculations when they have an option that does it for them? There are Twist and Lavatube fanboys who hate the thought that some other models provide advantages that those models do not.
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No two people are alike in every way, thank goodness, that's why there are a multitude of devices to choose from. I don't care what anybody uses as long as it keeps them off the stinkies, that is the most important thing. I am simply trying to point out that both devices whether VV or VW, it is the VOLTAGE that is adjusted, nothing else. And it is in this regard if you know ohms law and what to set your VV device to, there is NO difference between VV and VW, because when you press the button, the same power is being provided by both devices. Furthermore, if you are like a lot of vapers, and vape different juices, you will be adjusting either device to taste anyway, but I do understand why many prefer VW and I have no problem with that.
Saying that there is no difference between VV and VW because when you press the button they both deliver power to the atty, is like saying there is no difference between a Dodge Dart and a BMW. When you press the accelerater they both provide gas to the engine but it is how they ride and the overall features they provide in getting from point A to point B that makes the difference.
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Seriously nice sarcasm...ure still saying vw is the best...u just didnt get his point... his point is vw advantage is only a convenient way to vape without worrying too much but if u still wanna argue about vv and vw ok... as ive said, my vv can match ur wattage settings the question is... can ur vw matches my vv voltages? A mech mod is basically a vv but not regulated with a fix voltage around 3.7 on a 4.1 full charge battery or even better... even in a vv like ProVari can fire .8 ohms (RARE) if im powering it up to 3.5 v that will give me over 15 watts... so can ur vw match that? Also on a mech with 3.7 v which sometimes I ran .6 ohms which gives me 22 watts of vaping so can ur vw do that? Watts depends on volts so dont argue about the power that vw can do...so he pointed out its more better than others to use pw coz of the easy set up that a user can do its so convenient than a vv device... and if u ask me about comparing to a fancy powerful car to a cheap car id say the other way... I dont wanna post anymorr but still I think ure the one need to educate about vv and vw... I have nothing against vw as I myself have one... u just reacted when I say vw is not a big plus which is true but to others it is because of the convenient usage... in the end it all comes down to the numbers... cheers and lets vape on!
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First, one of my VW PV's does provide 15 watts of power. Second, vaping at 22 watts is way out of the norm and if someone said they wanted that, I would recommend a mech model PV. Third, what you don't seem to get is that the automatic regulation feature of VW over VV or in your words "convenience" is part of the overall vaping experience and thus an advantage to many, providing an overall better vaping experience when looking at the total picture.
It is funny my replies will still be the same and u still not getting my point... well FIRST of all a PW is some kind of variation from VV... when u say consistent it only produce an "estimated voltage for the device" SECOND of all u r not reading it well a VV can and it will perform more than 15 watts...why i include the mech? coz it is a voltage device though its not regulated still a VOLTAGE DEVICE... and a voltage device creates a watts... how did u come up that PW is better than VV when a VV is the one who creates a WATTS? its all common sense right... no matter how much i will explain to u, u will always be a believer that a PW is better than the VV...AGAIN... PW was made for a easy control for the VV which is a better way for the user to automatically set their VOLTAGE... in other words it is a convenient way instead of tinkering what voltage should u put in ur atty or carto or whatever u choose... still theres a catch... for example u are vaping 10 watts of all ur tops then came across a vivi nova with 2.4 ohms and still vapes at 10 watts... then u got a burnt taste and adjust it to 7 watts which this is not a make up story it is what most users reported here in the forum... and since u r talking about consistency then we will add "THE PROVARI" which is the most consistent vv ull ever have... and the other explaination from what i posted reapplies again... u r one sided defending the PW for i dont know whats ur reason or what u want to hear, as i told u i dont have against PW but seriously put it to the test urself and u will know what im talking about... im just trying to point it out there is no significant advantage a PW over a VV... PERIOD! i am done so anyone can just entertain u here...also include some numbers coz ur words arent convincing seriously... its all about math! oh yeah last but not the least... why did i included the 22 watts? coz thats capability of the VOLTAGE DEVICE over PW...also fire ur 15 watts max to any top u got i bet it will burn it... also the 5 amp still cant run under 1 ohm... Im done... just vape on...
I have a VW device. So I put it to 5 Watts. If it's not hot enough I move it to 5.5 Watts. Since Battery Power and Ohms in the Atomizer remain constant, this raises the Volts. So Variable Wattage devices will do exactly what VV Devices will do.
The advantage is that if the Ohm in the Atty change on you as it ages, the VW will compensate.
The problem you have with Vw is not with Vw but with the APV that you are using.
For 22 Watt Vaping you need a device that is either Mechanical or not mainstream, like a VV Box.
For Fully Electronic APV and for the mainstream user of such devices, Variable Watts is the future.
The advantage is that if the Ohm in the Atty change on you as it ages, the VW will compensate.
The problem you have with Vw is not with Vw but with the APV that you are using.
For 22 Watt Vaping you need a device that is either Mechanical or not mainstream, like a VV Box.
For Fully Electronic APV and for the mainstream user of such devices, Variable Watts is the future.
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Exactly my point and I dont have a problem with vw... I myself like vw for simplicity when I dont feel like messing with volts sometimes... I agree vw is the future since it is only plug and play and good for new vapers that dont want to calculate or mess with the volts... but I am only arguing vw is not a big plus at all its still the same function or use as vv but in a convenient way... but not "all that" as vv... I rest my case...
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Exactly!!! Your explanation of the VW device adjusting "automatically" to the change in resistence due to usage, was what I also was attempting to point out as an additional advantage. But none of it seemed to get though. I also agree that VW is the future and VV will be a thing of the past.
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