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darrynspall

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I don't know if anyone can help me here or give me some pointers, or if I can even make anyone understand the thing. But I think there must be people out there that have had a similar experience-hope so.I sort of mentioned it before but it was mentioned as part of other questions. It seems like it must be fundamental, but maybe it isn't because I'm still wondering. If I could show someone, they would know what I mean, I could just say-take a long slow toke on this old pen like ecig, then try my istick and rba. There's no volume of smoke to speak of on the old one ( same e-juice in both) but it' kind of has a stronger flavour and I can taste it in my head like a sweet flavour. Almost like a very small high- well I spose anyway. The mod and rba has more smoke and it's a slightly rougher hit on the throat- but it satisfies the craving no problem but it's not quite the same. Difficult to describe. With my old one you have to suck slowly for ages but in the end the inhale is sort and of cool and fuller taste-like you're not getting vapour cloud, but only drawing in taste. I only smoke tobacco liquids at the moment, I haven't tried any exotic liquids- maybe I'm missing out- I don't know. I hope someone knows what I'm on about and can explain it. Or why my istick is different. Is this normal? Cheers. Dazzer.
 
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darrynspall

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Sorry, I meant is this phenomenon normal-not am I nutz- just a joke Sir knobbly. Hope you are having a great day( or night) in Virginia. Difficult to understand huh? Wish I could show you-like I said. Maybe someone can catch on to my meaning- I genuiinely want to know why more smoke is produced by a mod, but it's not the same as the smoke from my old ecig -but intensified and multiplied or produced quicker. Dazzer ( the Brit in Nam)
 

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Dazzer, hard to tell but sounds like you're noticing a difference in airflow. You said same juice.

In general, more air flow (through the atty) = "bigger clouds" of vapor but also a decreased in flavor.

Tighter draw/ less airflow = "less" vapor but more flavor.


Actually it's kinda interesting, if you hold everything else the same and change only the airflow on a setup actual vapor production stays ~ same; but more airflow will expand the vapor, both cooling it and making is look bigger. Hence the drop in flavor, bc there are less vapor particles per volume of air.
 

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Yes, it is normal to notice the difference between the two setups you are using. The airflow plays a good part in that, but so does the type of topper.

You mentioned that the RBA is somewhat harsher. That's because it's delivering more vapor and thus more nicotine with each draw. For this reason, many people use a lower nic juice in RBAs than they would in a clearomizer.
 

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Yeah Dazzer, I try to not barf my brains out in the New Member section bc it's impossible to boil down almost three years experience in a single post.

Rsunderl is also onto something. Just know that with an adjustable airflow RDA you can vary your build, nic & air; tailoring the vape to more or less what you want. It does take some practice to get good at this though. I will say, there are a lot of noob friendly gear out there now. The Ego One is amazing, new vapers be like "this vape game is easy!".
 

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Yes, it is normal to notice the difference between the two setups you are using. The airflow plays a good part in that, but so does the type of topper.

You mentioned that the RBA is somewhat harsher. That's because it's delivering more vapor and thus more nicotine with each draw. For this reason, many people use a lower nic juice in RBAs than they would in a clearomizer.

Rsunderl- what's a topper? Do you mean the ejuice? The atomizer? I have a lemo drop. I tried it with the airflow closed but there was no smoke at all- the taste was better I think so anyway, but no smoke is a bit disconcerting -it might technically be the same amount, but mentally it's less, coz I feel like I'm not getting as much,
I found out that the coil I made is 2.2 oHms. What difference should I expect with say 1.2 oHms? Cheers. Dazzer.
 

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Your iStick 20 vapes much hotter than it should. It puts out a full volt higher than the display indicates (long story--RMS vs. Avg). In other words, at 3.1 volts setting you're getting 4.2 volts. :facepalm:

So, turn your voltage to its lowest setting, just for starters, and see if that helps. But remember that even at its lowest setting you're at 4.3v--not 3.4 or so that your cigalike was outputting.
 

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Rsunderl- what's a topper? Do you mean the ejuice? The atomizer? I have a lemo drop. I tried it with the airflow closed but there was no smoke at all- the taste was better I think so anyway, but no smoke is a bit disconcerting -it might technically be the same amount, but mentally it's less, coz I feel like I'm not getting as much,
I found out that the coil I made is 2.2 oHms. What difference should I expect with say 1.2 oHms? Cheers. Dazzer.

Topper--juice delivery device you screw onto your battery. Anything from a cartomizer to and RBA.

On the subject of watts and volts and ohms:

Disclaimer: This is the most simplistic explanation and is addressed to new vapers or vapers who are happy within the recommended "just right" power zone (4.5-8 watts) and use stock coils.

Ohm's Law as it pertains to vaping is really not that complicated--and it's very useful when you want to know what you're doing.

Voltage and wattage are often misunderstood by new vapers. Wattage is the power (heat, sweet spot) that your PV (battery and atomizer) generates. Wattage = Voltage (of your battery) squared divided by Resistance (Ω) of your atomizer [P=V[SUP]2[/SUP]/R]. If you're not good at math, don't worry, use this easy calculator:

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Of course, if you own a VW (variable wattage) device, you don't really need this calculator because your device will do the math for you.

The wattage you want, especially at the beginning of your vaping career, should be somewhere between 4.5 and 8.5 watts per coil. Anything lower than 4.5 watts may not vaporize your juice properly and will not produce enough warmth and vapor. Anything above 8.5 watts increases the risk of burning the filler in your cartomizers (if you're using them) or dry with your clearomizers.

There are, of course, other variables, like eliquid and JDD (juice delivery devices) that you're using on your batteries. Seven watts on a filler type cartomizer may feel different than the same 7 watts on a fillerless clearomizer or a dripping atomizer. The same is true for different eliquids; tobaccos, chocolate and coffees generally require more wattage (heat), while fruit and other delicate flavors do better with less heat. Everyone's sweet spot is different--those are just very general guidelines.

If you are using dual coil atomizers, things get a bit more confusing. Dual coil atties consist of two coils configured in parallel, which means that a 2.1Ω atty is really two 4.2Ω coils--so you have to calculate your wattage based on the 4.2Ω number--not 2.1Ω--roughly. Dual coil atties require more wattage than singles, but not quite twice as much. They produce more vapor due to increased surface. I usually increase the power (wattage) by ~50% when using dual coils; for example, if I like 6 watts with a single coil atty, I start at 8-9 watts with a dual coil atty. That's just my preference--YMMV. When in doubt--start low and adjust up as needed.

If you are interested in high wattage (and/or sub-ohm)vaping, that's a different conversation altogether--and not my area of expertise. :)

Experiment and you'll find your own bliss in no time!

The chart below is a good guide to safe vaping, even though some think it's a bit conservative.

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Rsunderl- what's a topper? Do you mean the ejuice? The atomizer? I have a lemo drop. I tried it with the airflow closed but there was no smoke at all- the taste was better I think so anyway, but no smoke is a bit disconcerting -it might technically be the same amount, but mentally it's less, coz I feel like I'm not getting as much,
I found out that the coil I made is 2.2 oHms. What difference should I expect with say 1.2 oHms? Cheers. Dazzer.

Dazzer- Topper = Atomizer. On a variable wattage device (iStick, etc.) coils resistance or ohms don't matter that much bc you can adjust your (wattage) output the way you like. The main concern with variable wattage (VW) is building a coil that can wick properly (not give you a burnt hit) & just hitting a resistance within your devices operating range. Build resistance is a major concern on a mechanical mod because how you build it is how it will vape (no adjustment).

I would not recommend closing the airflow completely off on the Lemo Drop bc it is a pressure fed tank; basically when you draw on the atty you are also pulling juice into to the build area (deck). Completely closed airflow can flood the tank and lead to leaking, plus you do need some airflow to pull the vape through.

& Yup ^ bingo! The iStick puts out more power than it reads on the screen. So adjust the AFC (air flow control) to something that feel right to you and then adjust your wattage (or voltage) all the way down & start there. If it is still too hot/harsh open the AFC up a bit.
 
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