Looking for opinions so sound off. You know what opions are like... everyone has one LOL

[edyle]

I want more flavor yes and I want to satisfy my nicotine addiction with less nicotine if that is possible.

Yes; a common way of doing it is to keep TWO tanks running; one with the higher nicotine, and the main one with less but enough nicotine.
Over time you just naturally find you need less.

I don't even carry my higher nic tank around; I leave it home; my main vape is low; less than 6mg (dont know exact cause i mix alot)

 

[edyle]

You know I have seen the drippers and I know how they work but I don't know much about the drip tanks are they the same thing?

Thanks I gained some knowledge and that's never a bad thing

I would describe the kayfun as a bottom coil rebuildable, not a drip tank; in a way it's just like the protank, but designed for rebuilding the coil.

 

[Doug_xx2]

Yes; a common way of doing it is to keep TWO tanks running; one with the higher nicotine, and the main one with less but enough nicotine.
Over time you just naturally find you need less.

I don't even carry my higher nic tank around; I leave it home; my main vape is low; less than 6mg (dont know exact cause i mix alot)

I did that with a flavor that I call beastly butterscotch. It is butterscotch and tobacco flavoring. I love it and was vaping the crap out of it and found I was OD'ing on nicotine so I always make that at 8mg because I like it too much. This is the first time I have tried making the blueberry and using the tfa flavors sooo.... I think I should start making the flavors first with lower nic for testing purposes at least. I was a chain smoker and while I have quit smoking my nicotine addiction is very much still there and I make my levels so high to feed the beast. I do know though when I moved from the rebuildable ce4/5's and started using my pro tank I immediately had to water everything down from the 24mg I was using because I found myself OD'ing on nic daily. I have three CE tanks I am using to switch flavors without always having to clean between flavors. Maybe I should set one of those up at the higher level and use the rest for my chain vaping at lower levels. Hadn't thought about it before.

Thanks for the idea

Doug_xx2

 

[Doug_xx2]

I would describe the kayfun as a bottom coil rebuildable, not a drip tank; in a way it's just like the protank, but designed for rebuilding the coil.

Ah I thought the protank coils were pretty easy to rebuild to though so... Hungh maybe I should see if I can find one cheap and give it a whirl.

 

[edyle]

I did that with a flavor that I call beastly butterscotch. It is butterscotch and tobacco flavoring. I love it and was vaping the crap out of it and found I was OD'ing on nicotine so I always make that at 8mg because I like it too much. This is the first time I have tried making the blueberry and using the tfa flavors sooo.... I think I should start making the flavors first with lower nic for testing purposes at least. I was a chain smoker and while I have quit smoking my nicotine addiction is very much still there and I make my levels so high to feed the beast. I do know though when I moved from the rebuildable ce4/5's and started using my pro tank I immediately had to water everything down from the 24mg I was using because I found myself OD'ing on nic daily. I have three CE tanks I am using to switch flavors without always having to clean between flavors. Maybe I should set one of those up at the higher level and use the rest for my chain vaping at lower levels. Hadn't thought about it before.

Thanks for the idea

Doug_xx2

Yes this is common; so easy to just chain vape alot of the time; people start out at 24 and often find they have to cut down because of chain vaping.

 

[Doug_xx2]

I would suggest you get a simple tube mode like a vamo v5 or zmax; perhaps an itaste svd, or smoktech sid.
All of these have VW which supercedes VV.

I'm not experienced on the rebuilding side of things, but I've been vaping at 12mg for about 3 months and was using a VV Spinner. In reading some juice reviews on juices I already had and liked, I noticed that the reviewer was raving at the flavor using 1.8-2.2 ohms at 8-10 watts.

Even if I turned my spinner all the way to 4.8V I was maybe getting 6-7 watts and burnt flavor.

So I decided to get an Itaste VV/VW so I could try my stock heads at higher wattage. What I discovered was that the flavor was very much improved, and then I started rewicking everything with cotton.

Now that I'm vaping more at 8-10 watts, even on a stock coil (1.7-2.4 ohms), I am finding that I will now be going down to 6mg nicotine as my 12 is making me jittery.

So I think that maybe the increased wattage and vapor production is a much more efficient nic delivery system, regardless of what you are using to get that higher wattage and vapor.

OK now I am confused.

If watts is represented by this formula (mined from wikipedia. it's in the attachment)

View attachment 306923

Then how can you increase watts without increasing volts or changing ohms? If I use the ohm calculator at Ohm's Law / Watt's Law Calculator and I take my say 2.5 ohm coil and use the 5.0 volts I am pumping through it and hit calculate it gives me the values of 2 amps and 10 watts. I mean if you use one of the variable watt variable volt devices if you change one doesn't the other have to change? I mean it would be nice to get it to do the math for me and tell me how many watts I am pumping or take a reading without taking my tank off my device and know how many ohms it is but.... I am just a bit fuzzy on how this works...



That being said if you increase watts through a coil it seems that it would have to increase heat in the coil. But that can be done in more than one place in the equation either by increasing volts or ohms. Sooo by getting these devices the important thing is your getting devices that can handle pumping out increased voltages through lower ohm coils without letting out all of the factory smoke. so that way you could use 4 volts on a 1.5 ohm coil and pump out 2.66667 amps and 10.66667 watts or the same values using a 1.0 ohm coil and get 4 amps and 16 watts. If your device can handle the amps of output then I think the next question is can the batteries handle it without going critical.

If the point is more heat then increasing the voltage alone increases the watts to. The real problem is that on cheap ego twist devices your going to best case scenario burn out the lithium cell or kill the pcb in it or worst case scenario send the lithium cell into critical melt down. If you happen to be lucky enough to get a device that has been properly programmed it should shut down at any levels that will cause those things to happen via the short protection protocols if not then the head or twist dial will go flying off and hot noxious gasses and flames will erupt from the tube.

 

[alisa1970]

OK now I am confused.

If watts is represented by this formula (mined from wikipedia. it's in the attachment)

View attachment 306923

Then how can you increase watts without increasing volts or changing ohms? If I use the ohm calculator at Ohm's Law / Watt's Law Calculator and I take my say 2.5 ohm coil and use the 5.0 volts I am pumping through it and hit calculate it gives me the values of 2 amps and 10 watts. I mean if you use one of the variable watt variable volt devices if you change one doesn't the other have to change? I mean it would be nice to get it to do the math for me and tell me how many watts I am pumping or take a reading without taking my tank off my device and know how many ohms it is but.... I am just a bit fuzzy on how this works...



That being said if you increase watts through a coil it seems that it would have to increase heat in the coil. But that can be done in more than one place in the equation either by increasing volts or ohms. Sooo by getting these devices the important thing is your getting devices that can handle pumping out increased voltages through lower ohm coils without letting out all of the factory smoke. so that way you could use 4 volts on a 1.5 ohm coil and pump out 2.66667 amps and 10.66667 watts or the same values using a 1.0 ohm coil and get 4 amps and 16 watts. If your device can handle the amps of output then I think the next question is can the batteries handle it without going critical.

If the point is more heat then increasing the voltage alone increases the watts to. The real problem is that on cheap ego twist devices your going to best case scenario burn out the lithium cell or kill the pcb in it or worst case scenario send the lithium cell into critical melt down. If you happen to be lucky enough to get a device that has been properly programmed it should shut down at any levels that will cause those things to happen via the short protection protocols if not then the head or twist dial will go flying off and hot noxious gasses and flames will erupt from the tube.

I looked at the chart too, and wondered about it...all I know is I have been using mine since December, and it doesn't overheat or give me any indication that the coils are too hot or the battery is down-regulating.

I set it to 8.5-10 watts and if it doesn't taste burned, I vape. I also get better flavor and vapor so either my twist couldn't handle that output of voltage or my VV3 is capable of modulating the wattage by reading the actual ohms of my coil. As I said, the coils are all stock--all my evods are 2.2 ohm and my dripper reads at 1.7 ohm and I can vape both at 10 watts no problem, depending on my juice.

Edit: I just decided to test the reading on my evod that I'm vaping at 9.5W right now...so you're right, the head reads 2.9ohm (I don't think they're even rated that high when you order them), and voltage is reading 3.9.

When I turn up voltage to 11, I get the same reading for volts/ohms so don't know what to tell you there. The unit must be down-regulating but I still get better flavor/vapor than with the twist at the same volts or even higher (I can usually get up to 4.3V before I start to get a burned taste).

 

[edyle]

OK now I am confused.

If watts is represented by this formula (mined from wikipedia. it's in the attachment)

View attachment 306923

Then how can you increase watts without increasing volts or changing ohms? If I use the ohm calculator at Ohm's Law / Watt's Law Calculator and I take my say 2.5 ohm coil and use the 5.0 volts I am pumping through it and hit calculate it gives me the values of 2 amps and 10 watts. I mean if you use one of the variable watt variable volt devices if you change one doesn't the other have to change? I mean it would be nice to get it to do the math for me and tell me how many watts I am pumping or take a reading without taking my tank off my device and know how many ohms it is but.... I am just a bit fuzzy on how this works...

That being said if you increase watts through a coil it seems that it would have to increase heat in the coil. But that can be done in more than one place in the equation either by increasing volts or ohms. Sooo by getting these devices the important thing is your getting devices that can handle pumping out increased voltages through lower ohm coils without letting out all of the factory smoke. so that way you could use 4 volts on a 1.5 ohm coil and pump out 2.66667 amps and 10.66667 watts or the same values using a 1.0 ohm coil and get 4 amps and 16 watts. If your device can handle the amps of output then I think the next question is can the batteries handle it without going critical.
If the point is more heat then increasing the voltage alone increases the watts to. The real problem is that on cheap ego twist devices your going to best case scenario burn out the lithium cell or kill the pcb in it or worst case scenario send the lithium cell into critical melt down. If you happen to be lucky enough to get a device that has been properly programmed it should shut down at any levels that will cause those things to happen via the short protection protocols if not then the head or twist dial will go flying off and hot noxious gasses and flames will erupt from the tube.

1: if you increase the watts setting on your device, the device raises the voltage to achieve that wattage.
(and if you increased the voltage, the wattage going through the coil would increase)
You set either 1 or the other.
2: .......overthinking?

 

[edyle]

I looked at the chart too, and wondered about it...all I know is I have been using mine since December, and it doesn't overheat or give me any indication that the coils are too hot or the battery is down-regulating.

I set it to 8.5-10 watts and if it doesn't taste burned, I vape. I also get better flavor and vapor so either my twist couldn't handle that output of voltage or my VV3 is capable of modulating the wattage by reading the actual ohms of my coil. As I said, the coils are all stock--all my evods are 2.2 ohm and my dripper reads at 1.7 ohm and I can vape both at 10 watts no problem, depending on my juice.

Edit: I just decided to test the reading on my evod that I'm vaping at 9.5W right now...so you're right, the head reads 2.9ohm (I don't think they're even rated that high when you order them), and voltage is reading 3.9.

When I turn up voltage to 11, I get the same reading for volts/ohms so don't know what to tell you there. The unit must be down-regulating but I still get better flavor/vapor than with the twist at the same volts or even higher (I can usually get up to 4.3V before I start to get a burned taste).

1: Yes, the VV3 and all other VW devices reads the actual ohms of your coil in order to decide what voltage to use to get the wattage that you set.
2: That 3.9V is the battery voltage, not your vaping voltage; most devices don't display for you what voltage it is using when in VW mode.
It is just measuring the voltage of your battery for you so you can tell if you want to put it on charge.

9.5 watts on 2.9 ohm means 5.2 volts
(squareroot of [9.5 x 2.9])

 

[alisa1970]

1: Yes, the VV3 and all other VW devices reads the actual ohms of your coil in order to decide what voltage to use to get the wattage that you set.
2: That 3.9V is the battery voltage, not your vaping voltage; most devices don't display for you what voltage it is using when in VW mode.
It is just measuring the voltage of your battery for you so you can tell if you want to put it on charge.

9.5 watts on 2.9 ohm means 5.2 volts
(squareroot of [9.5 x 2.9])

Thanks, point 1 I knew (which is one reason I bought it--I might start building coils so I wanted an ohm-reader), but I didn't know about point 2--I thought that when in VW mode it also told you your vaping voltage. Apparently that wasn't right. Good to know!

 

[Fortyniene]

More nicotene and flavor you say? Might I suggest a smoktech RSST. I have gotton more flavor out of a gensis style than any other type of atomizer. In fact they have too much flavor for me.

The reason I suggest the rsst is it's one of the most forgiving and easy to build gensis type atomizer there is IMHO.

For myself the kayfun/russians are the best of all worlds.

Good luck OP you seem to be smart and knowledgable I'm sure you will figure out what works best for you.

 

[edyle]

Thanks, point 1 I knew (which is one reason I bought it--I might start building coils so I wanted an ohm-reader), but I didn't know about point 2--I thought that when in VW mode it also told you your vaping voltage. Apparently that wasn't right. Good to know!

On the joyetech evic, I think it shows alot of status information on the display; it has a more complex display than a simple vv3 battery which has an lcd display.

My own vamo and zmax have small displays, and in both cases, when in VW mode, it displays the wattage, and if one scrolls through the menu, one option in "LCD DISPLAY" is "Battery Voltage" which shows just the battery voltage (essentially, the input voltage, not the mod output voltage) when you press the fire button; so I expect similar in other devices in the price range.

 

[Doug_xx2]

I looked at the chart too, and wondered about it...all I know is I have been using mine since December, and it doesn't overheat or give me any indication that the coils are too hot or the battery is down-regulating.

I set it to 8.5-10 watts and if it doesn't taste burned, I vape. I also get better flavor and vapor so either my twist couldn't handle that output of voltage or my VV3 is capable of modulating the wattage by reading the actual ohms of my coil. As I said, the coils are all stock--all my evods are 2.2 ohm and my dripper reads at 1.7 ohm and I can vape both at 10 watts no problem, depending on my juice.

Edit: I just decided to test the reading on my evod that I'm vaping at 9.5W right now...so you're right, the head reads 2.9ohm (I don't think they're even rated that high when you order them), and voltage is reading 3.9.

When I turn up voltage to 11, I get the same reading for volts/ohms so don't know what to tell you there. The unit must be down-regulating but I still get better flavor/vapor than with the twist at the same volts or even higher (I can usually get up to 4.3V before I start to get a burned taste).

1: Yes, the VV3 and all other VW devices reads the actual ohms of your coil in order to decide what voltage to use to get the wattage that you set.
2: That 3.9V is the battery voltage, not your vaping voltage; most devices don't display for you what voltage it is using when in VW mode.
It is just measuring the voltage of your battery for you so you can tell if you want to put it on charge.

9.5 watts on 2.9 ohm means 5.2 volts
(squareroot of [9.5 x 2.9])

Right.. I really was confused because I had just been to the web site for the lava tube not that I can afford 80 bucks but it was nice to window shop and they said right in the advertising video that there was some new mode in the new model that allowed you to set watts independent of the volt output and the only way to my knowledge to do that is to change the ohms between the positive and negative terminal of the batteries but if the device adds ohms then that doesn't help at all???????????

So like I said I was confused as hell at how the makers of these devices were breaking the laws of physics lol. I was not trying to be an @$$. I was truly mystified and confused so thank you for clearing that up.

Remember I know a little about a lot, a lot about very little, and everything about nothing. Also to make matters worse I am a newbie to vaping.

Thanks for the info and sorry if you felt offended

P.S. Does this mean there is a relationship between the heat of the coil and the amount of flavor you get and the amount of nicotine you absorb?

Does anyone know why?

 

[edyle]

Right.. I really was confused because I had just been to the web site for the lava tube not that I can afford 80 bucks but it was nice to window shop and they said right in the advertising video that there was some new mode in the new model that allowed you to set watts independent of the volt output and the only way to my knowledge to do that is to change the ohms between the positive and negative terminal of the batteries but if the device adds ohms then that doesn't help at all???????????

So like I said I was confused as hell at how the makers of these devices were breaking the laws of physics lol. I was not trying to be an @$$. I was truly mystified and confused so thank you for clearing that up.

Remember I know a little about a lot, a lot about very little, and everything about nothing. Also to make matters worse I am a newbie to vaping.

Thanks for the info and sorry if you felt offended

P.S. Does this mean there is a relationship between the heat of the coil and the amount of flavor you get and the amount of nicotine you absorb?

Does anyone know why?

If it were me that you might have thought might have been in anyway offended that is not the case at all.
Typing has no tone of voice, and i suppose typing lol all over the place might give the impression of laughing *at* somebody or mocking them so just in case it makes a difference:

lol
lol




I used to be a teacher though, for some years so maybe I come across a bit serious and instructional in my communications.

 

[Doug_xx2]

If it were me that you might have thought might have been in anyway offended that is not the case at all.
Typing has no tone of voice, and i suppose typing lol all over the place might give the impression of laughing *at* somebody or mocking them so just in case it makes a difference:

lol
lol




I used to be a teacher though, for some years so maybe I come across a bit serious and instructional in my communications.

I think they should develop a sarcasm font but who listens to me. I tend to pepper lol into my posts but not usually in a mocking way it could more likely be interpreted as nervous laughter.

School teacher? OW! You got my respect I certainly couldn't do it.

BTW you didn't ask but I used to work in tech support for an ISP. I am now disabled and a stay at home husband. I get the bug for things but can't seem to slug through all the information sometimes. (I'm a little ADHD) (well who am I kidding I am A LOT ADHD). He He

Well I find myself on a tight budget with more time than patience now and well... I like to tinker with all sorts of things.

The car (pretty good shade tree)
the computer (built my own from parts)
The DVD/VCR
I like to cook but don't like to use recipes (kind of like tinkering with food)
Etc. Etc.

And now I have quit smoking and started vaping and this is what my brain does. (LOL @ myself)

So much to learn So much to learn.

I wanna build...
I wanna make...
I wonder how they ...
Dang now I gotta relearn that microelectronics stuff I forgot from years ago...
Wow look at all the information on this site and all these people that can answer questions...
uuuugghhhh I can't sit here and read all of this and separate the drek from the gold...
OMG there are a million sites with stuff about this uuuggghhh even more reading and filtering!!!!!
what do I do now...
I know I'll ask the people here...
Etc etc etc.

Think that was hard to deal with I deal with it all day every day all of the time... He He

Well glad I didn't offend

Be well
Doug_xx2

P.S. If anyone wants to pipe in about my questions feel free. (or just wants to tell me to shut up and go away for that matter)