Looking for protected 14500 batteries

[my4jewels]

I just ordered the last VV box mod from Madvapes. Please don't hate me for it. The problem is that their 14500 protected batts are out of stock. I have been looking all over for the batts. I'm gonna have my 1st mod coming and no batteries, bummer...

I found these. It says they have a protected circuit board. Is this the same as a protected battery?Has anyone used them?

All-Battery.com: 6pcs Tenergy Li-Ion 14500 Cylindrical 3.7V 800mAh Rechargeable Batteries w/ Tabs

 

[want to quit]

I would only use the AW IMR 14500 (red label). I am sure you "can" use those but I personally would rather wait.

 

[my4jewels]

Why is it that MV only sells the protected li-ion batteries?

This is my 1st mod. I have read lots of stuff on ecf about batteries, but, since I have your attention here, could you please explain to me the difference between the AW IMR's and protected batts? In the simplest terms possible. Advantages and disadvantages.

I ordered this charger: TrustFire TR-001 Lithium Ion Battery Charger

 

[want to quit]

I am the last person you should ask when it comes to batteries but when I bought my first Reo I had to use trustfire bat's until the Red label AW IMR 14500 were back in stock and people told me A. the trustfire are not recommend and B. I noticed how bad they performed.

You can find the AW IMR 14500 at a lot of sites but they are all and I mean all sold out and it will take around about 1-2 weeks till they are back.

Check with lighthound.com or superTmanufacturing.com I think David gets them back in this week not 100% sure though.

I don't think it's bad to use the trustfire bat's I just would not recommend them thats all.

 

[my4jewels]

Is the difference in performance, safety, or whatever?

 

[squirrel64]

hey my4jewels, I asked a question similar to this about a month ago. I run a homemade VV with 2 14500's I wanted to know if the Trustfire flames would be better or if the AW IMR would be better. Since we're stacking batteries the answer I received was the Trustfire flames. The people that use Reo's would benefit from using the single AW IMR's because they single battery mods. Not quite sure if I can answer why. So if I were you I would go with the trusfire flame 900mah. They have been awsome batteries in the 8 months I've been using them. Actually still using the original 8 that I bought and they show no sign of dieing yet !


These are the one I use

Protected Trustfire 14500 Battery, 900 mAH

 

[my4jewels]

Thanks, squirrel. I must be really dense or something, but I'm still not getting it... Usually, I catch on to things pretty quick, but I'm not understanding.

 

[squirrel64]

I don't understand it either but I know it works for me. If you get a chance to ask in the modders section they can answer you quick.

 

[Jimi D.]

Thats too funny, I saw that on Friday and went to look for some batteries and it was gone.....lol

 

[ericdjobs]

hey my4jewels, I asked a question similar to this about a month ago. I run a homemade VV with 2 14500's I wanted to know if the Trustfire flames would be better or if the AW IMR would be better. Since we're stacking batteries the answer I received was the Trustfire flames. The people that use Reo's would benefit from using the AW IMR's. So if I were you I would go with the trusfire flame 900mah. They have been awsome batteries in the 8 months I've been using them. Actually still using the original 8 that I bought and they show no sign of dieing yet !

It really depends on the application. You are stacking batteries, yes.. but capacities do not add. Max discharge rate on a trustfire 900mAh is 1.5C

The madvapes VV box uses a linear regulator.. there are so many people on this board that know this stuff so much better than me but I believe a linear regulator requires more current IN than current OUT.. so, if you're going to be trying things like a dual coil carto at 5v, low res stuff at high(er) voltages, or anything that is going to need a lot of current (amps).. you probably want to go with the IMR as the current draw exceeds the trustfire's max discharge rate (I do not think this adds in a series, because capacity does not.. but I really have a very loose understanding of this here) so the IMR will give you better performance, or allow you to go higher in voltages before the regulator drops out (due to undervolt prot and overworked regular lico batteries).. I THINK The IMRs have noticeably LESS capacity than the AW IC 14500's and regular trustfire/ultrafire 14500s. IMR's are supposedly 'safer' chemistry and aren't supposed to be able to fuel their own demise (contain or produce o2, i guess), but there have been many cases of IMRs flaming/venting, just not as many as LiCo) They are 'high-drain' and allow much more current to be discharged from them over a given period of time. This is why they are great for high-voltage low resistance applications (Dual/triple coils, or people who are crazy like me and run 2.0ohm @ 5v )

Otherwise I'd go with AW IC 14500 LiCo cells, these have been the best performing in my evercool VV box (switching regulator though) don't mind the 750mAh rating, trustfire/ultrafire WAY overstate their ratings.. AW LiCo cells easily have more capacity in my experience than any trustfire/ultrafire of the same size... I have a total of 8 trustfire 14500's (flamejackets) now.. problem is they are all counterfeit.. and I believe a large portion of ALL flamejacket 14500s out there in the last couple months are counterfeit.. and the problem with every single set of these counterfeits are is that they are two different batteries (one 750mAh and one 800mAh) being sold as a shrinkwrapped set. The blue ones are probably good to go, it's those flamejackets.. purchased from 3 different vendors now (but they all pulled them immediately.. good stuff)

You can get the AW LiCo 14500's here AW IC 14500 Power Batteries

If you do want to go with a cheaper alternative, which do work out pretty well most of the time.. you can get protected UltraFire 14500s at Clouds of Vapor as well http://www.cloudsofvapor.com/store/...0-protected-rechargeable-lithium-battery.html

Bit pricey, but damn good batteries.

 

[tybin]

good prophets has the black and grey trustfire 14500's right now for real cheap. they could be used until the aw's come in. get the grey with black writing ones


edit: oops ya, go with the aw protected in the link above

is rdtvapor out of those? he has good prices

 

[squirrel64]

Eric yeah the madvapes VV is linear but mine is a switching regulator. So I don't know if that makes a difference. I may have given the wrong advice.

 

[ericdjobs]

Thats too funny, I saw that on Friday and went to look for some batteries and it was gone.....lol

Anyway here you go...UltraFire 14500 AA sized 3.6V Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 900 mAh CR14500 Lithium Ion

Not protected
The original link you posted, those are not protected either my4

 

[ericdjobs]

Eric yeah the madvapes VV is linear but mine is a switching regulator. So I don't know if that makes a difference. I may have given the wrong advice.

I believe, and I could be way off base! I'm still pretty new to all of this... that the switching regulators require LESS current in that current out, so they perform pretty well all around with standard protected cells.

 

[my4jewels]

Wow, I really opened a can of worms here...my head hurts.

Okay, I'm trying different things. I have been using an eGo with Boge 2.0's. I wanted to try something a little more, ya know... Don't get me wrong, I really like my eGo, just wanted to see if I was missing out on anything better.

So, I got a 5v passthrough and a the new VV eGo passthrough from GotVapes. 5V is a bit much for me, I used Boge 3.0's, a bit much for me, but I'll probably use it now and then. I have an E Power 14650 and 18650 coming as well, mostly for convenience.

On the VV passthrough, I'm still playing around with combinations, but I don't think I'll be vaping at really high voltages with lr stuff. I just don't see that in my future.

I think I'll go with the protected li-ion 14500 batts from GoodProphets for now, and if I start to get into more demanding vaping, I'll step up to the AW IMR's.

 

[Jimi D.]

Not protected
The original link you posted, those are not protected either my4

Oops sorry..

 

[Jimi D.]

I believe, and I could be way off base! I'm still pretty new to all of this... that the switching regulators require LESS current in that current out, so they perform pretty well all around with standard protected cells.

Hey Eric, I have a question for you, Are those 4.8 volt NiMH batteries ok to use with dual cartomizers?

 

[sbphotog]

I ordered these for my box mod from madvapes TrustFire 14500 Protected Battery (2Pack)

 

[ericdjobs]

I believe it was WillyB who showed a picture in a thread with a 4.8V nimh battery under load.. loaded voltage was 3.7! haha! And that was with just a 2.0 ohm load I believe, could've been more or less don't remember much.. but it looks like they don't hold their voltage well under load at all.

 

[Jimi D.]

I believe it was WillyB who showed a picture in a thread with a 4.8V nimh battery under load.. loaded voltage was 3.7! haha! And that was with just a 2.0 ohm load I believe, could've been more or less don't remember much.. but it looks like they don't hold their voltage well under load at all.

Thanks for saving me a few bucks Eric...lol