Looking for some basic advice...

[VapingRulz]

I'm sorry I just can't recommend a cigarette sized model. The vapor and the battery life are most inferior to an EGO style like the KGO.

As a point of fact, the 808 from V4L runs at a higher voltage the the EGO. It is *better* than the EGO, not inferior. The edge the EGO has is in battery life and the ability to use low-resistance cartos. Note that people often forget to state the obvious: the 808 doesn't NEED the LR because it's 3.7v to begin with.

As far as Libertyflights goes, that is a European company (probably in the U.K.) and shipping times from there to the USA are inferior.

Liberty Flights also operates in the US, shipping is quick, service is excellent - and many people do not have the option to "go local" for supplies. I got my favorite e-gic from Liberty and I just love it.

 

[elfstone]

I'm sorry I just can't recommend a cigarette sized model. The vapor and the battery life are most inferior to an EGO style like the KGO.

As a point of fact, the 808 from V4L runs at a higher voltage the the EGO. It is *better* than the EGO, not inferior. The edge the EGO has is in battery life and the ability to use low-resistance cartos

That is not correct. "Ego-style like KGO" are true 3.7V+ devices. And the matter of "needing" LR is also debatable - some people prefer more power, others less. It's not a matter of nuance, either. A KGO with a 1.7 Ohm LR atty or carto puts out 8 Watt and a 3.7V device with a 3.0 Ohm SR carto puts out 4.5 Watt. Granted, numbers are not everything, it's all in how it vapes so for instance I find the 1.7 Ohm a little too hot, and the 2.0 Ohm perfect, while the 3.0 Ohm is for me anemic.

How much this point matters for the discussion, I don't know.

 

[VapingRulz]

That is not correct. "Ego-style like KGO" are true 3.7V+ devices. And the matter of "needing" LR is also debatable - some people prefer more power, others less. It's not a matter of nuance, either. A KGO with a 1.7 Ohm LR atty or carto puts out 8 Watt and a 3.7V device with a 3.0 Ohm SR carto puts out 4.5 Watt. Granted, numbers are not everything, it's all in how it vapes so for instance I find the 1.7 Ohm a little too hot, and the 2.0 Ohm perfect, while the 3.0 Ohm is for me anemic.

How much this point matters for the discussion, I don't know.

The KGO and the Riva are the only "Ego-style" ecigs that are true 3.7v - the standard Ego is 3.4v.

It does matter because newbies are being advised that the 808's are inferior in performance when that's simply not true. They work very well; there is absolutely nothing wrong with starting one's vape experience with an 808 model. The 808 shortcomings involve battery life, not the actual quality of the vape. I quit with an 808 and used them exclusively for almost two years. My reasons for switching to the KGO, E-Power and Riva were related to carto and battery size.

To all newbies out there who want to try vaping with a Volt or other 808 model, for whatever reason: ignore the naysayers and go for it. They work. (You will probably upgrade eventually because most vapers do, but that's a different discussion.)

 

[elfstone]

I don't know any of that for sure, but I think you're right. I just wanted to point out that the KGO is not a 3.4V device. Moving on, is there any good review of various e-cigs in terms of voltage, voltage under load and voltage as the battery discharges? All I know is that the only KR808s I had, the V2, were losing voltage fast after a few initial vapes when they were actually putting ~4.2 V.

 

[VapingRulz]

I think that voltage info is here somewhere but I'm not sure exactly where.

 

[ShogaNinja]

The KGO runs at 4.18v unloaded, 4.01v on a 2.0ohm LR single coil and the same for a standard resistance single coil carto, and 3.84v under load with a dual coil atomizer and from what I understand it doesn't drop off til it's almost dead (proof here: SLB Ego voltage test with dual coil cartomizer from hoosierecigsupply.com - YouTube ). The KGO is the king of EGOs - EGO batteries are inferior to the KGO.

The V4L 808 starts and 4.2v and then continues to drop down to 3.6 volts before it dies (which is a heck of a lot faster at around 183 minutes of chain-vaping on a regular vs up to 11 hours on a KGO). That's an average of 3.9v and under a shorter battery life. I wouldn't call that superior, sorry to disagree. Besides you get 2 KGO 1100mah batteries and you could charge 3 or 4 of them completely by the time one runs out. I would hate getting a good vape and then watching it taper off after every hit. I still can't recommend an 808. A small fraction of a volt isn't going to change much and then for a very brief time. Not to mention the versatility that the 510 connection has over the 808. If you want the extra voltage a simple USB passthrough made at home with an old USB cable, a switch, a 510 connector (from a dead battery even), and a case to put it in (old small flaslights are popular - though I have seen a soldering iron, minus the iron, used as well) you can get 5v indefinitely. You can even run one out of a car with a DC USB adapter.

Oh plus the V4L is 5 bucks more. You'd need a PCC ($25 on their site) and 2 batteries without one wouldn't get you through a day at work if you chain vape. You could do that with just one KGO battery, no pcc, save 30 bucks and carry around less stuff. At best they are a comparable vape with the 808 costing 30 dollars more and that with a lot more futzing around recharging and less versatility. If you are getting into Vapor Titans then you are looking at 60 bucks more.