Looking for the safest way to go

[sofreshsoclean]

Hey,

So i've made the decision to switch to vaping and going to get my first vaporizer. However, i consider myself still a bit concerned about the health and safety issues with vaping..

Right now there's three main health concerns in my mind that i would like to find the safest solution to:

1) High temperature (possibility of formaldehyde etc)

2) Flavours (diacetyl etc)

3) Wicks (some materials possibly dangerous when burned? and inhaled)

I can't wait for the new study from Dr. Farsalinos as it probably answers some or all of these questions. Does anyone happen to know when we are going to hear some results from this? I think they have been working around this study for two months at least? I know though that it's quite a huge research and it might take time. I was also wondering if they were dealing with the wick issue? I read they are using various wicking materials in the tests but i didn't quite understand the purpose..

But until new information available i would appreciate any recommendations about how to deal with.

Im guessing the flavour thing is the easiest one: im just gonna vape pure pg+vg+nicotine or if it tastes unbearable try probably some mountain oak vapors or something that might be proved diketone free.

With the temperature issue i planned to choose some vv/vw device and use it with low watts. What kind of device would you recommend to avoid over heating? Is the dry puff phenomenon easy to avoid?

What about the wicks? Cotton or something else? Im surprised there seems to be zero studies dealing with this.

I had my eyes on kanger emow mega kit or istick+? but haven't made up my mind yet.

Thanks in advance!

 

[OlderNDirt]

Welcome to ECF.

I am not going to even attempt to address everything you are concerned about nor try to answer all your questions. I'll leave that to those with the knowledge and typing ability to do it justice.

I will just say, assuming you want to "switch to vaping" from smoking cigarettes, if you feel vaping is as bad or worse then smoking due to any combinations of those concerns, you might be better suited to waiting until multiple in depth studies are completed and confirmed. That may take some time. If, on the other hand, you feel comfortable that vaping is better for you even with those concerns, by all means figure out what gear fits your interest, needs, and safety requirements and get the process started. There are setups and juice that will at least minimize or eliminate most of your concerns.. The only absolutely, positively safe and healthy way go forward is to stop the cigarettes without starting vaping.

Good luck on whichever route you decide to take.

 

[Zachary Willis]

From my understanding the formaldehyde in the recent studies was produced using a ce4 type clearomizer at incredibly high wattages. In reality no one would be able to use it like that. As far as juice is concerned there are lists on the forum that show flavors that may contain diacetyl. I have been vaping exclusively since september of 2014 and have experienced no ill side effects at all. Im breathing much better than when I had an occasional analog. With cotton, i've been using organic cotton balls since I got my first RDA in october and they have been just fine. I will be getting the japanese sheets when I purchase again just because its easier to work with. I personally would go with the istick+ been looking at getting one myself for my first vv/vw mod.

 

[Bunnykiller]

temps... if you get to the temp to create the formaldehyde creating chemicals, your wick will be toast and your throat will be on fire... you will know even before you inhale when you have toasted your wick and gotten a dry hit.... have you ever lit the filter of a cigge? its even more harsh than that.

flavors... stay away from the creamy/buttery flavors

wicks.... if you keep them wet you wont have any issues...

 

[stevegmu]

For a 'safe' setup, you can't go wrong with a ProVape-1, IBTanked carto tank and Halo e-juice...

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

IStick eLeaf 50W, name brand tank with adjustable airflow, I feel 100% better vaping instead of cigs.

Edit : so fresh so clean <--- this is the most immediate positive change I have noticed in my switch. No more stench. House, vehicle, everything. Health wise I am actually starting to drop weight, I don't snack like I used too because my sweet tooth is satisfied now. My sinuses cleared tremendously and I can smell better. I am breathing better, and have more energy. There is probably more.

 

[Debadoo]

I also am assuming you're switching from cigs to vaping. If you're not a smoker and are concerned about it, best to just not do it. If you are trying to switch from cigs.......

as others have said, there is no way someone could vape at the temps they pushed it to in that study with the formaldehyde. Know one knows the long term effects of vaping, but what I do know is how I feel now compared to when I smoked! And I live with 2 smokers in the house still!

If you can vape unflavored and many do, that is best of course. I am in the process of switching from tanks with replaceable coils to an RDA where I will use Japanese cotton for my wick. But I haven't worried a whole lot about wicking up til now despite stories I've heard, cuz it's gotta be better for me than smoking was or I wouldn't feel as good as I do. As someone else said, keep the wicks wet, which is why I like bottom coils, and replace em every couple weeks. You'll know when you need to.

and don't believe everything you hear. For so many years they said saccharine caused cancer......yeah if you INJECT rather than ingest doses higher than anyone could ever eat. People skew studies to prove the point they want to prove, and money is behind all of it!

Good luck!

 

[Rucerius]

Deb you answered that much better than I could have.

 

[Rat2chat2]

to ecf sofreshsoclean. Nice to meet you and so glad you are here. One thing you should know that for reliable vaping information. . . this is where you need to be. So much that is in print now should only be used for entertainment purposes only. Concerned over vaping and want to know the latest news? You should consider joining CASAA.

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

After you get in your first 5 posts, you will be able to go and check out all the threads and get some great recommendations. Read, research and check out YouTube videos before you decide. There are so many options now available to us and I think it is wonderful. Good luck to you and I look forward to reading more about you. Make yourself at home and . . . have fun.

 

[sofreshsoclean]

Thank you for all your responses!

Yes, im coming from analogs and been trying to quit without success. I am also convinced that vaping is much healthier than smoking (especially when done right.) I am trying to quit with vaping and planning on reducing the nicotine until i can quit vaping too. So not looking for a another long term hobby.

I can see that an average beginning vapist just grabs the first piece of device without thinking too much or spending hours reading several studies. I know its all about harm reduction but i myself though want to avoid or minimize every possible risk (e.g. the flavour case pointed out by Farsalinos)

 

[Steamix]

Thank you for all your responses!

Yes, im coming from analogs and been trying to quit without success. I am also convinced that vaping is much healthier than smoking (especially when done right.) I am trying to quit with vaping and planning on reducing the nicotine until i can quit vaping too. So not looking for a another long term hobby.

I can see that an average beginning vapist just grabs the first piece of device without thinking too much or spending hours reading several studies. I know its all about harm reduction but i myself though want to avoid or minimize every possible risk (e.g. the flavour case pointed out by Farsalinos)

Compared to smoking, you'll be reducing a ton of risks the very moment you pick up even the crappiest vaping gear on the market.

All else follows....

 

[tj99959]

It doesn't take the latest & greatest most expensive products on the market to make the switch from smoking to vaping, and to be safe.

Plenty of folks have made the switch using nothing but the cheapo disposables from the gas station/convenience store. You just need to learn not to try to get that last 2 cents worth of juice from a cartridge because that's when you will get the dry hit with all of the problems.

The bottom line is that there is a bit of a learning curve involved, and the majority of that curve is learning HOW to do it safely.

 

[marc42]

Plus if you can learn to vape mouth only without inhaling risks can be reduced still further.

 

[realsis]

I must say, no matter what vape gear you choose,no matter which e juice you vape with you are going to be MUCH better off vaping than smoking. The cigarettes you smoke litterly have HUNDREDS of chemicals that are Extremely HARMFUL in them. When you vape, you only have litterly four things evolved really three. Pg, vg, nicotine and flavoring wick is usually pg or vg based. When you smoke you can't even name HALF of the chemicals in it!! ALL VERY TOXIC AN UNNATURAL CHEMICALS! I make my own e juice, I know EXACTLY what goes into it. Even if I wasn't making my own I'd know exactly what goes into it because it's the same. Be careful what you read because a WHOLE LOT OF IT IS PROPGANDA. Produced in studies under absurd and unnatural circumstances. Don't be ridiculous and be fooled by some of it. If your smoking now, you ARE AT A FAR GREATER RISK THAN VAPING!! I make my own coils and know exactly what that entails as well. My wicking media is 100% natural ORGANIC unbleached cotton. No matter my wattage, it burns VERY CLEAN. Much cleaner than cigarettes! Don't drive yourself crazy because of the untruths you have read! Vaping is something to be enjoyed. I smoked for 30 years and I've almost made my first year smoke free thanks to vaping. Surely when you smoked you cigarettes you didn't pick them apart or you would have never even smoked at all! Don't pick apart vaping either. It's three ingredients is FAR FAR better for you than your cigarettes Guaranteed! ! And please don't believe all the propaganda you read!! It will drive you crazy! Who do you think sponsors half that stuff anyway? Tobacco companies that's who. They don't want you to quit smoking. They are very threatened by the vape industry. Don't worry so much. Any set up is better than smoking! I really hope you seriously consider what I've said. I wish you the best.

 

[cope]

vaping is a safer than a cig .
the most harmful chems are formed when the temps reach burning points. MOST of the time this never happens because the wick's are wet. now if the wicks dry out THEN temps rise quickly and burn creating some bad nasty stuff. as for the other chems in flavorings i never buy stuff from china..i make 95% of my own juice now.
health wise quitting smoking and starting vaping has changed my life..i have lost ALOT of weight..i stopped drinking pop and drink lots of water and the fact i breath better im more active..one note in the last 1.5 years i have never had a chest cold. i get a cold but it never developes in a chest cold..
hope this helps

 

[Debadoo]

Thank you for all your responses!

Yes, im coming from analogs and been trying to quit without success. I am also convinced that vaping is much healthier than smoking (especially when done right.) I am trying to quit with vaping and planning on reducing the nicotine until i can quit vaping too. So not looking for a another long term hobby.

I can see that an average beginning vapist just grabs the first piece of device without thinking too much or spending hours reading several studies. I know its all about harm reduction but i myself though want to avoid or minimize every possible risk (e.g. the flavour case pointed out by Farsalinos)

I think you're doing great by researching, I did the same thing....many many hours, and had many of the same concerns. A person's safety concerns should never be made out to be frivolous. However, the biggest thing I learned is that, bottom line is, there are some things we just don't know about. Vaping with tanks and premade coils and juice for the last nearly 3 yrs, has been much much safer than smoking, but I do still research. It's taking me awhile to get all my ducks in a row, but am in the process of going to a Reo (my "tank" will be a 6ml plastic bottle), making my own juice, hopefully I'll be able to vape unflavored, if not I can use as little flavoring as possible, and making my own coils and wicking with japanese cotton (Koh Gen Do) KGD. This is what I feel is the safest you can get at this point. What most are trying to say is......unless or until you get to this point, feel comfortable that what you will be using to vape is far safer than smoking, and I'm not certain (don't think anyone is certain) that any particular type of premade coil/wick is truly safer than any other. They all come from China who gives us toys with lead paint. But I certainly applaud you for trying to be as safe as you can! If everyone did this, we'd have a lot less for the ANTZ to use against us.

 

[SirEvelynTremble]

I make my own juice - recently bought Bavarian cream and Sweet Cream from Perfumer's Apprentice ... wondering, does PA say whether they have Diacetyl in them or not?

 

[stevegmu]

I make my own juice - recently bought Bavarian cream and Sweet Cream from Perfumer's Apprentice ... wondering, does PA say whether they have Diacetyl in them or not?

According to their web site, both flavors contain acetoin... Not something I would vape...

 

[Lessifer]

Just make sure that in your endeavor to make vaping as safe as possible for you, that you don't restrict yourself to something that will be ineffective. There are reasons why the myriad of flavors exist, why we have 100+w devices, and why we keep exploring wick materials. In the end, whatever you get has to work for you, and keep you from smoking, if that is your goal.

 

[edyle]

Hey,

So i've made the decision to switch to vaping and going to get my first vaporizer. However, i consider myself still a bit concerned about the health and safety issues with vaping..

Right now there's three main health concerns in my mind that i would like to find the safest solution to:

1) High temperature (possibility of formaldehyde etc)

2) Flavours (diacetyl etc)

3) Wicks (some materials possibly dangerous when burned? and inhaled)

I can't wait for the new study from Dr. Farsalinos as it probably answers some or all of these questions. Does anyone happen to know when we are going to hear some results from this? I think they have been working around this study for two months at least? I know though that it's quite a huge research and it might take time. I was also wondering if they were dealing with the wick issue? I read they are using various wicking materials in the tests but i didn't quite understand the purpose..

But until new information available i would appreciate any recommendations about how to deal with.

Im guessing the flavour thing is the easiest one: im just gonna vape pure pg+vg+nicotine or if it tastes unbearable try probably some mountain oak vapors or something that might be proved diketone free.

With the temperature issue i planned to choose some vv/vw device and use it with low watts. What kind of device would you recommend to avoid over heating? Is the dry puff phenomenon easy to avoid?

What about the wicks? Cotton or something else? Im surprised there seems to be zero studies dealing with this.

I had my eyes on kanger emow mega kit or istick+? but haven't made up my mind yet.

Thanks in advance!

I was going to say probably the safest option would be cigalikes.

Since you're looking at mods, and are concerned about temperature, there are the new temperature controlled devices like the dna40, but still new and still working the bugs out.