Looking to go into mechanicals

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1wildman

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I agree to a point, but it's the new members section which does not always mean they are new to vaping.

If someone asks for a recommendation on a mech, I'm going to recommend a mech, not patronize them by saying are you sure you really want a mech and not a Vamo. Just like if someone asks for an rda, I'm not going to tell them to try a CE5 and go from there.

I want my own flame war in this thread, I'm feeling left out...:D

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It seems to me that a mech mod would be defined as being a simple device. A switch assembled with a screw, no circuit board, no wires or solder relying on (made to be) disassemble-able parts. Personally I like simple and well made stuff made by small shops in small batches. I like to have the feeling that when my device was completed a person was happy they made something that the user will thoroughly enjoy.


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Last time I saw somebody in the new members forum asking for recommendations for a mech mod, it wasnt a mech mod he wanted but a regulated mod; he didn't know the lingo that's all.

So for somebody with only 4 posts posting in the NEW MEMBERS FORUM, indicating that he plans to START with rebuildables sometimes, I wouldn't recommend him unknowingly dabbling with unregulated mech mods.

I've been vaping for a couple of months now, I have been using a Vamo since then, gone through a few different tanks. I am ready to step up to a mechanical mod. I'm certainly new to the forums but not to vaping.
 

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id like to stay under $100. Kinda looking for a telescoping mod that will fit a 18650 with a kick if i wanted to.

I'm not aware of a telescoping mod that is long enough to Kick an 18650. You'd have to drop to the 18500 battery or shorter for all of the telescoping models that I'm currently aware of (or find a way to extend something...or pay to have something custom done).

A good quality IMR 18490/18500 battery will drive a Kick well, but you won't have as many battery cell choices...1100 mah seems to be pretty much the limit for these, and the AW brand @ 16.5 amps seems to be the King of the Hill for vaping purposes. For an all day chain vaper using only a single mod...you'd probably want to carry a couple of spare batteries to get through a day.

While Kicks will work with an 18350 battery (Typically around 800mah at 6 Amps tops)...I've found that performance can vary a bit (particularly if you have an Evolv Kick 2 and like to use it above 10 watts with higher resistance atties), and vape time is pretty low.

A great battery to use with Kicks and Crowns is the Panasonic High Drain NCR18650PF Hybrid 2900mAh cell. Note this battery has a 10A rating, so it's NOT a good choice for unregulated sub-ohm use, but if you want to Kick/Stomp/Crown your rig, it should last you most of the day with quite heavy chain vaping (given the right atty resistance to desired wattage match-up).

Out of the Kicks/Stomps/Crowns available, only the genuine Evolv Kick 2 can take sub-ohm atties (down to 0.5 Ohms). In this case the PF battery above should be OK because the Kick will keep the current within safe limits. I don't really recommend doing sub-ohm with a Kick 2 (kind of wastes alot of heat in the heat sink), but it's possible...and sometimes convenient to be able to do it.

If you want to sub-ohm (without a Kick 2), you'll want a battery that can do 20 or more amps. This is seems to be a great battery for use with a Kick...at only 400mah less than the Panny battery above...but with a higher C rating. There's a new one out that should be a good choice for Kicking, or running without a regulator...while also giving lots of headroom for sub-ohm builds. Efest IMR 2500 Mah 35 Amp 18650

(See Baditude's Blog for more great battery info)

So....

Have a look at Nemisis/Chi You/King style mods if you wish to Kick an 18650.
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These type mods come with an 18350 base, an 18500 extension ring, an 18650 ring, and sometimes a two cent fuse ring. To Kick an 18650 you'd simply combine the base, 18650, and 18500 rings and it's long enough for the 18650+Kick.

Here you can see a Nemisis Mod somewhat broken down:
18350 Base w/o the locking ring, 18650 extension, 18500 and Fuse extensions (screwed together in the photo), the locking ring, button assembly, and the top-cap w/adjustable 510 connection
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Nice things about these mods:

Simple but reliable connections and contacts.

Very little if any voltage drop.

Nemisis types have adjustable air flow built in.
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Good button action that can easily be converted to magnets if you like.

Simple to adjust the atty connection for flush mounting stuff.

The top part of the mod is easily removed without disturbing a Kick setup. Hence, it's easy to adjust the Kick without having to dump out the battery, then fish out the Kick. Just unscrew the top part and there the pot is, staring at you.

Plenty of rings for different size batteries.

You can get more than one of different materials (stainless, copper, brass, etc.) and finishes (brushed, polished, etc.) and mix and match if desired. It's also possible to flame and/or chemically treat them for all sorts of interesting finished effects.

They are very low profile...I.E. My Kicked 18650 Nemisis is only about 10mm taller than my Kicked 18500 K100.

The K100 is definitely a good buy for $20, but you can NOT Kick an 18650 with it. I found that mine needed some tweaking to work smoothly (grind the button's contact smooth, down to the copper, so it doesn't scratch up and dent my batteries and fuses). I also discovered that the silver half of the mod can get marred up with thread marks when using shorter batteries unless you put a wrap of tape or something around it when going into 18500 or 18350 mode. Other than that, its been a good little mod for me.
 
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Sorry...I ran out of room for photos in the post above...

Here's a photo showing how easy it is to get to the Kick with a Nemisis Clone.
Just screw off the top and viola!

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With my Saber and K100 I have to take the whole thing apart, pull out the battery, then tap or fish out the Kick to get to the pot. So...I use an Artisan Crown in mods where the regulator is a bit harder to get at for adjustments. While it's not quite as powerful as a genuine Evolv Kick 2, it can be adjusted using a series of clicks with the mod's regular fire button (gives audio cues).

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And here you can get an idea of how low profile a Nemisis type Mod is:
Saber/Kicked Edition (Has a Crown 2.0 installed), K100 w/18500+Crown, Nemisis Clone w/18650+Kick2
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Notice the Kicked 18650 Nemmy is barely taller than the Kicked 18500 K100.

K100 Side Notes:
Also note how I've got a bit of black tape around the K100...I just added that since I mostly use that mod in 18350 mode with no kick. The tape just prevents the outer sleeve's inner threads from scaring up that long silver tube when using shorter batteries.

Crown in the K100 (or other Telescoping Mods)
If you go with an Artisan Crown, be careful about telescoping mods. Don't crank them down too tight! These don't have a solid rod up the center like Kicks/Stomps, and can be compressed to a point they get damaged if you crank them down too tight.
 
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I've been vaping for a couple of months now, I have been using a Vamo since then, gone through a few different tanks. I am ready to step up to a mechanical mod. I'm certainly new to the forums but not to vaping.

Ah; good, thanks for clarifying.
 

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On Fuses and Regulators for Mechs and Mech Hybrids:

Some links and ideas on what all is out there...

Fuses:
Both of these use PTC technology...so they will reset several times if tripped before becoming trashed.
VapeSafe
Shortstop

Regulators:
Evolv Kick 2
Most powerful, Best Build, most accurate/stable/signal, Most Expensive...5-15 Watts...will take atties down to 0.5 Ohms

None of the following are set up for sub-ohm atties. If they fire them at all...it's risky to push using them in sub-ohm configurations.

Evolv Kick 1
Some places still have some original Evolv Kick 1 units in stock. Prices will vary....
5-10 Watts

Artisan Crown 2.0
Convenient operation using the mod's native fire button, a little cheaper than the Evolv Kick 2, Can be adjusted in 1 watt increments from 5-10 watts or put into a VV mode and adjusted in 0.2 volt increments from 3.5 - 5.5 volts. Comes with a VapeSafe Fuse/Spacer.

Smoktech Kick
Inexpensive clone of the Kick 1. 5 - 12 Watts. Good performer for the price.

Sigelei Stomp
Inexpensive clone of the Kick 1. 5-10 watts. Good performer for the price.
 
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Credo - Great summary but users still need to be familiar with battery safety and Ohms Law. Felt the need to add this since this is a "new members" area and I dont want anyone to think there are any shortcuts to mech land. ;)

Got some links to go with the 'but'? I offered some for the battery part, as well as the regulators (which all come with instructions on what batteries and atties can go with them).

My reply was meant to answer the question of how to Kick an 18650 battery.
 

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Agreed, that's why I had a link to it around paragraph 6 or so as well :)
Didn't go into Ohm's Law tho', since it wasn't an RBA thread...but if someone asks here, teach away :)

Ha - sorry dont want to steal your THUNDER...it was an excellent post i just didnt read all the way through it. When i got into vaping i just wanted to quit cigarettes I didnt bargain for a new hobby. I surely never envisioned that i would be learning Ohm's law and Battery C ratings and how much I would enjoy building coils in my spare time.
 

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Amazing info credo, I think i might have to go with the nemesis, instead of a telescoping. I did order a RTA, but I also have looked at all the blogs on here about battery safety and ohms law, I think i have the hang of the info and on my first build will definitely be referring back to it. Even downloaded a Ohm's law calculator on my phone :p Thanks again for the detailed information credo! Really helped me out.
 
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