Looking to take the plunge into the BOX

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David Wolf

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Definitely agree with all of the above! All awesome choices. However, be aware that if you want to choose the nautilus, you make sure you're grabbing that and not the nautilus mini. I have the mini and it is the most frustrating tank I've ever used. When it works, it works well, but it's not worth the hassle. A lot of people have had problems with it. I really like the SubTank, it's absolutely fantastic. But keep in mind, with the SubTank you wouldn't need anything over 50w. If I'm remembering quickly, at .5 ohms, the SubTank really maxes out just below 40, and it's not even supposed to go that high.
I'm the exact opposite. My Eleaf Istick 30W and Nautilus Mini's never fail me, solid as a rock. Never a leak. I vape 70 pg/30 vg, and my recent purchase of the Subtank Mini worked great for two days, then leaked out of the air holes. tried the rba, fine for a while, then they leaked out of the air holes. Others have had leaks, and others love them. Hard to say whether its manufacturing defects at this point, I"m still testing, its not the seals, already proved that in testing, its juice leaking from the cotton wick to the air holes.
 

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I'm definitely going to look at the Kanger Subtank. That one sounds like a winner.

Now onto the box...

This one comes with a tank: the Kanger Subox mini

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Be informed. do a search here for subtank mini leak. You might have issues, you might not, I think most people don't. Mine was great for two days, good flavoir, then leaked out the airhole with the stock 1.2 ohm vertical coils, and the rba as well, good for a day, then starts to leak. still working on the issue. My Nautilus Mini's on the other hand, two of them, have never leaked, and I've had them 6 months. I love them on an Eleaf Istick 30W. Good luck :)
 

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Be informed. do a search here for subtank mini leak. You might have issues, you might not, I think most people don't. Mine was great for two days, good flavoir, then leaked out the airhole with the stock 1.2 ohm vertical coils, and the rba as well, good for a day, then starts to leak. still working on the issue. My Nautilus Mini's on the other hand, two of them, have never leaked, and I've had them 6 months. I love them on an Eleaf Istick 30W. Good luck :)
I had the same problem with the SubTank mini. Eventually, I took the o ring off the atomizer and placed it exactly where it should be in the base so when I screwed it on, it would be in place. Don't think it made any sense, but it worked. No leakage since
 
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I had the same problem with the SubTank mini. Eventually, I took the o ring off the atomizer and placed it exactly where it should be in the base so when I screwed it on, it would be in place. Don't think it made any sense, but it worked. No leakage since
The two places i checked for leaks were at the bottom coil seal, it showed no sign of a leak there, and the top seal of the stock coil - I filled the tank with water (thin, so it leaks easier), covered the air holes with my fingers, and blew into the drip tip, it was tight, no air passasge, no water leakage. Which leaves me with one possible leak path left - the coil wick path. It was quite saturated with juice, and it appears to be flowing down to the air holes, its a straight path if that happens. That would why with a new coil with a tight wick it doesn't leak for a day or so. The wick expands over time, and I could see it protruding into the spaced coil flow path area. A saturated wick, with my thin 70 pg/30vg, could be the cause. I had replaced the drip tip with a narrower drip tip, for mouth to lung hits, and I vape at low power, 12 or so watts tootle puffer ;) I had been vaping on the largest air hole, but that didn't stop the eventual leaks. So now I have put on the wider drip tip that came with it, on the possibility that the vapor could be hitting the entry point of my narrow drip tip and condensing the liquid underneath to flow back down. I shouldn't have to be playing engineer vaping though, I do enough of that at work - tanks should work :)
 

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One other box I looked at before coming here was the K-box. That one, however, has mixed reviews anywhere from glowing to horrible. It seems a lot clunkier than the Subox, IMO.
Yeah, I currently am using the Sub Box Mini kit just about every day. I really dig it. Definitely would recommend...as Lon as you don't get one with a leaky tank!
 

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Thanks for all the replies!

I am looking for something with a replaceable battery/batteries.

I'm assuming the Ego's don't get a whole lot of love around here?

I don't hate my Ego's, but I can understand why they'd be called throwaways. I mean they work, for the most part, but I'm not getting the "this is enough to make me not want another cigarette" from my current setup. It temporally "holds me off" like over a weekend, but comes nowhere near the satisfaction of having a cigarette.

I have a brother in-law that has been vaping for years, but didn't really quit cigarettes for good until he got whatever his setup is now. He's got a box and a one of those "tanks" that I've seen him filling quite often.


Well, for some, the Ego is all that is needed. It's not that I dislike them.. I still use one from time to time. But like you've noticed, they can be limiting. I believe you can quit using an ego battery. I pretty much quit using an ego, but like you, I still felt something was missing. It wasn't until I got a variable voltage/wattage device that pretty much put the last nail in the smoking coffin so to speak.
I personally think a 30 watt device would be all that's needed to fully quit. It's not that I recommend vaping at 30 watts, but if you feel like you need more, you have that option. You don't with an ego.

Now, I mentioned Watts, and you're more familiar with volts from the Ego. Let me explain the difference.

Think of the all too familiar water pipe analogy. Volts is the water pressure in the pipe, Amps is the size of the water pipe, and ohms is a resistor in the water pipe. Let's say the Ohms is a water wheel.. it will provide a resistance to the water. You're used to saying if you apply so much pressure to the wheel, it will turn so fast. If your pipe was too small, with high pressure,it might work the wheel too much. But, if you raise the pipe size, the water will flow slower from the pipe, but it will have more force since more water is moving the wheel. Watts is like saying you want the water wheel to spin so fast... It will change the volts accordingly to get the desired result.

Same with Ecigs.. if you set it for a certain watt, it will determine what volts to set your ecig to in order to get those watts. Why is this a better setting, well, it may or may not be for you. I like to use watts, because coils tend to creep up in the ohms during it's wear. The wattage setting will raise the volts to get the same results I am asking for.

On an ego type, they mainly can just change the volts. While the coil is being worn more and more, you will have to slowly raise the voltage to get the same effect as when you first started. The box mods can change the voltage, or wattage.

Sheesh, A tagline on someone else said they learned more about electricity through 1 year of vaping than their entire school years.. I tend to agree with them. :) It's not as hard as it may seem. Just keep in mind, more watts = more power available.
 

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One other box I looked at before coming here was the K-box. That one, however, has mixed reviews anywhere from glowing to horrible. It seems a lot clunkier than the Subox, IMO.

I don't recommend the K-box for one reason only.. it has no display on the rating of your atomizer. That is a very important thing to note. If you were having problems with your mod, the Kbox has no way of helping you troubelshoot. The Subbox is a good one though.
 

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I understand how resistance works, but I didn't know how it effected vapor. Basically it's like running a higher wattage bulb. Like a 1.8 ohm is a 40 watt, 1.5 is about a 60, 1.2 is like a 100, and so on.

I am looking for big clouds so sub-ohming sounds like it's the way for me to go.


Not exactly correct. This is where it can get tricky. If you run a thin wire at 1.8 ohms compared to a thick wire at 1.8 ohms, you'll be trying to heat a lot more metal with the thicker wire. A 1.2 ohm on a thick wire wouldn't produce a lot of heat, and pretty much be useless. However, a .5 ohm on a thick wire is great if you have a high enough powered device to run it.
 

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Update: (and a bit of a FastTech rant)

My FastTech order that was supposed to be ready to ship the next day turned into my batteries and charger being ready to ship next-day and the Subox mini being "available in 5 days" immediately after my order was placed and paid. Then when 5 days were up I looked at the status again and it said "expected to ship 9/24/15", which is 9 days after paying, factoring in time difference in Hong Kong. At 10:30 pm Central (or 11:30 am HKT) the day it was "expected to ship" I spoke to an agent/representative who basically told me that my order wouldn't be shipping any time soon because they had been waiting for a reply from the vendor and hadn't gotten one, which meant my Subox wouldn't be leaving Hong Kong because it wasn't there to begin with.

I canceled my order, did some research and have the same Subox (and a good assortment of juices) coming from Vista Vapors, and the same batteries and charger coming from Amazon (reputable vendors).

All in all, I'm spending less (Amazon rewards) and getting a TON more and it'll be here WAY faster.
 

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I've pretty much only heard and read good things about the Subox Mini. All reviews say that the new Subtank that comes with the Subox is a redesign of the standard or original Subtank and does not leak. Also the RBA that comes with it gets rave reviews. The few videos I've seen comparing it (the RBA +) to the previous model RBA show several improvements as well as being easier to rebuild.

I just can't wait to get it all. I've been researching and waiting for two weeks now and I'm getting antsy. I read the post here about the different types of vapers and I'm ready to move from the "cig replacement" ego to something more serious.

I haven't had a cig in 5 days and, although the ego is still "working", I want something more serious. I'm starting to enjoy this and, well, I'm looking for the thing that makes me forget about cigs.
 
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