Looking to upgrade but dont know what to get

[edyle]

Im going to attend a build class in the next week or two. i work at a vape shop so for the past couple of months ive done a lot of research on products we carry but there is so much out there and our selection is limited. Im not SET on the orchid, but i love that you can put more juice in it since i dont want to have to drip every few puffs. I also like the outer material of the tank. So really, im thinking the orchid cause ive learned about it and i feel comfortable trying to build with it but im still open to suggestions.

Which other RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomizers) are you seeing in the vape shop.

 

[planetofthemapes]

1 ohm is just fine on a regulated mod.

If you want unrestricted ohms then you just use a 'mech' which will allow you to short out the battery and go BANG! and see some blood before you start feeling the pain.

The MVP is a good choice for somebody relatively new. It's basically a big eGo battery; the battery inside is not an 18650 replaceable battery.
There's also the istick which is a new mod out.

The choice of wire size you use is important; standard size is 28 gauge kanthal on rebuildables.


- oh - and the orchid has the same problem as the kayfun: the top of the chimney is not secured to the top of the tank, so you can't unscrew it upside down to refill like you would a bottom coil clearo.

i know 1 ohm is fine on regulated i would just like the option to go lower IF i decide to do that in the future. i know you fill the orchid from the top and honestly thats one of the things i like about it.

 

[planetofthemapes]

Which other RTA (Rebuildable Tank Atomizers) are you seeing in the vape shop.

we carry the orchid, nimbus, patriot, trident, big block, kayfun plus, kayfun v2 and a couple of others that are sold out right now. just noticed you said RTA sorry i listed all types we have

 

[DaveSignal]

I was happy recommending both regulated and unregulated mods to OP until people started posting things about how dangerous mechs are and that OP is a beginner and whatnot.

Here is how it is:
A mechanical mod is more for someone who loves vaping but also is interested in the hobby aspect of building coils, measuring resistances, polishing shiny metal tubes, and perfecting a specific vape at the design level.
A high power regulated mod is more for someone who loves vaping but doesn't really care about all that other stuff and just wants to throw some coils together without actually understanding much about how they work. They then will just adjust their mod to pump more voltage out at the coils.

Neither way is a bad way to do it, but if you are truly excited about building and experimenting, mechs are surely the way to go.
OP is taking a coil building class. This is already getting near hobby level. Someone who is interested in learning how things work, how to build safely, and how different builds will draw power from a shiny metal tube.

Don't immediately assume that anyone who is new to vaping is going to be unsafe and careless. A mech mod will last forever. And you will be able to get any amount of power from it that you want. You can do this safely as long as you are interested in learning how to do it safely. Safety is does not have to be a skill acquired over time. Learn it now. Do it right. Enjoy your hobby and have a fantastic vape.

Mech mods:

This picture is from a sub-ohm RDA build on a mech mod. It puts out like this by my design, not because I haphazardly threw something in there and cranked up volts on a box with some kind of digital watch-like display (not my style).

 

[edyle]

i know 1 ohm is fine on regulated i would just like the option to go lower IF i decide to do that in the future. i know you fill the orchid from the top and honestly thats one of the things i like about it.

The new high powered mods can fire lower ohms; some of the new vamo's out; there's a v8 which reportedly goes down to 0.3 ohms.

There's a few sigelie high powered mods; sigelei 100.
There's lots of dna30 mods. Hana, Cana, Cloupor.

 

[planetofthemapes]

I can't believe how quick some people are to go straight to recommending a novice a mech mod and sub ohming. Irresponsible if you ask me.

You want a regulated device because it will have safety features to protect you when things inevitably go wrong while you're learning. Unless you want to buy a multimeter or an ohm reader, you fully understand battery safety and amperage/watts/voltage, you understand that the locking mechanism on the mech fails it could autofire indefinitely without you knowing and lead to bad things, then yea go dive right in to the world of mechanicals and subohming.

Go with a regulated mod. If you want a box mod, go with any DNA40 device (which now has temperature limiting to prevent dry hits). I recommend the Vaporshark rDNA, reasonably priced and well built and easy to get. Or you could just go with the eLeaf iStick like several others have mentioned. Its a fantastic little device. Although the DNA will be more reliable in the long term.

And make sure you get the proper 18650 batteries whether you get a mech or regulated. LG HE2 is a good choice. Or the Samsung INR18650 25R.

yeah that surprises me too! but i have stated over and over again in this thread that i have no intention of sub ohming anytime soon i also WANT a regulated device that has the ability to sub ohm (not planning to use it that way for a long while, if ever) just so that i can use the same regulated mod if thats what i decide to do.

I work in a vape shop so i know you have to be careful and should know what you're doing before trying to sub ohm but i am learning. I know about ohms law and how to find out if a device will fire with certain batteries and all that jazz. Thanks for the warnings and suggestions!!

 

[edyle]

we carry the orchid, nimbus, patriot, trident, big block, kayfun plus, kayfun v2 and a couple of others that are sold out right now.

Ok, well I don't know the big block but the RTAs are the orchid and kayfuns.
The others are RDA's (Rebuildable Dripper/Dropper Atomizers). An RDA has no tank.

So what about the couple others that are sold out right now, (if they'll be restocked)?

The orchid and kayfun are basically the same in many respects, that's why I'm asking. I want to know if you have seen anything much different;

take this for example:

That's a heron; it fills like a protank.


The reason I am bringing this up:

These new tanks are bottom coil tanks. That means:
------------------ THERE IS A HOLE AT THE BOTTOM.


Now the kayfun type, there is a seal at the top ; if that seal drops out (easy to happen) or just shifts, then now you got
------------------ A HOLE AT THE TOP.

When the occassion arises that you end up in that situation, all your juice just leaks out; even if it's upside down and you're like '... just happened'.

If you look at the picture, the second item from the left is the TOPCAP which is attached to the CHIMNEY; that's the difference I am showing you:
With the kayfuns, as well as the orchid shown below, the chimney -top on the left - is not attached to the top.
You depend on that little black rubber seal which you see in the picture; that rubber has to press upward, and reach the topcap and fit snug into an indent in the topcap. On my kayfun, it's not even on the chimney, it happens to stay in the indent in the topcap, but it's easy to drop out if I don't pay attention.

 

[planetofthemapes]

Ok, well I don't know the big block but the RTAs are the orchid and kayfuns.
The others are RDA's (Rebuildable Dripper/Dropper Atomizers). An RDA has no tank.

So what about the couple others that are sold out right now, (if they'll be restocked)?

The orchid and kayfun are basically the same in many respects, that's why I'm asking. I want to know if you have seen anything much different;

take this for example:
That's a heron; it fills like a protank.


The reason I am bringing this up:

These new tanks are bottom coil tanks. That means:
------------------ THERE IS A HOLE AT THE BOTTOM.


Now the kayfun type, there is a seal at the top ; if that seal drops out (easy to happen) or just shifts, then now you got
------------------ A HOLE AT THE TOP.

When the occassion arises that you end up in that situation, all your juice just leaks out; even if it's upside down and you're like '... just happened'.

If you look at the picture, the second item from the left is the TOPCAP which is attached to the CHIMNEY; that's the difference I am showing you:
With the kayfuns, as well as the orchid shown below, the chimney -top on the left - is not attached to the top.
You depend on that little black rubber seal which you see in the picture; that rubber has to press upward, and reach the topcap and fit snug into an indent in the topcap. On my kayfun, it's not even on the chimney, it happens to stay in the indent in the topcap, but it's easy to drop out if I don't pay attention.

ohhh ok! now i see what you were saying and that is definitely something to think about thank you. as for what else we're getting in, I cant be sure if they will be restocked or if my boss is going to buy new ones. he is on vacation at the moment and i didnt ask him about ordering before he left. i think the ones out of stock are rdas anyways. vaping is just starting to take off in kansas city we just opened the shop in june so he hasnt been getting too many rdas or rtas since he isnt sure yet what people will be looking for. Most people come in and just get kits which have ego or evod batteries with an assortment of different tanks none of which are rebuildable. im trying to learn about all this before customers start coming in and asking about it.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Planetofthemapes, I have nothing constructive to add. I just had to tell you that you look exactly like my oldest daughter. The face, the hair, the eyes, even the way you pose and look at the camera.

I was about to PM you, until I realized you're in the U.S. and not Scotland. Oh, well. Not my baby.

Scotland is SOOOO far away!

 

[planetofthemapes]

Planetofthemapes, I have nothing constructive to add. I just had to tell you that you look exactly like my oldest daughter. The face, the hair, the eyes, even the way you pose and look at the camera.

I was about to PM you, until I realized you're in the U.S. and not Scotland. Oh, well. Not my baby.

Scotland is SOOOO far away!

cool! i think everyone has a doppelganger out there somewhere

 

[dchemist]

so i really wanna get into rebuildables and im pretty sure im going to get the orchid. my question is, what mod/battery should i go to? I was considering an itaste mvp but i know you cant go below 1 ohm resistance with it and while i dont plan on building lower than that, i would like to have the option to do so. Suggestions?

So before I put my 2¢ in can you tells us what you are currently Vaping on?

 

[planetofthemapes]

currently i have a 900mah evod battery, an 1100mah ego twist VV, and a 650mah evolution VV definitely nothing special lol. i have several mini vivi nova tanks and a ce4+ tank.

 

[dchemist]

So you've definitely played with variable voltage (and for the sake of it, variable wastage). There's nothing wrong with moving on to RBAs but you obviously need something bigger to power them. I would look at still using a regulated device while you learn to build coils, battery safety, and ohms laws. I've got a couple a mech mods running Magma, Kayfun, PlumeVeil, and Nautilus with BVCs. I've found my happy spot on the Kayfun and Magma and am in the market for a good VW box mod. I'm pretty sure I'm going with the VaporShark rDNA 40. That would be a great device for you as well but it is a bit pricy @ ~$200. If that's too high, there are several other good regulated devices. I would consider at least 30W (Hana Mods, Sigelei, etc) or up. Once you're up to speed with everything you could move to mech mods

 

[nasca]

yeah that surprises me too! but i have stated over and over again in this thread that i have no intention of sub ohming anytime soon i also WANT a regulated device that has the ability to sub ohm (not planning to use it that way for a long while, if ever) just so that i can use the same regulated mod if thats what i decide to do.

I work in a vape shop so i know you have to be careful and should know what you're doing before trying to sub ohm but i am learning. I know about ohms law and how to find out if a device will fire with certain batteries and all that jazz. Thanks for the warnings and suggestions!!

lemme just put this in plain language: subohming on a regulated device is unnecessary and pointless and kinda dumb, so dont bother putting subohm-ability into your criteria for a device. with a regulated device that has a dna40 chip, for example, you just build a coil for flavor and crank up the wattage to whatever level you prefer.

the whole subohm thing is a hacky way of getting higher wattage out of a mechanical mod; you dont need to do with this with a regulated device -- you just press the UP button.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

PBusardo has a review on YouTube....he is pretty in-depth.

 

[Monotremata]

I've had my MVP about a month and love it but am now wondering how I missed box mods like the Hana's I can use my own batteries in!!!

I do have a SID on the way I'm buying from a forum member for cheeeap so here we go..

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