Loong Totem V9

[TropicalBob]

He's talking about public places. E-smoking is not ready for any of us to go to a non-smoking public area, whip out something that looks for all the world like a cigarette, hold it between our fingers, suck on it and then blow out huge clouds of vapor.

The nicest thing that will likely happen is you'll be directed off the property. Raise a ruckus and things won't get nicer.

Maybe some day we can do this ... but I don't think many here believe that day is near.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Maybe you should do the test? Visit a restaurant or any public place and produce BIG clouds of smoke. Let us know the result

Hiya Ludo

Been there, done that. Got the scars.

You should see the other guy, though...

 

[Mr.Darcy]

He's talking about public places. E-smoking is not ready for any of us to go to a non-smoking public area, whip out something that looks for all the world like a cigarette, hold it between our fingers, suck on it and then blow out huge clouds of vapor.

The nicest thing that will likely happen is you'll be directed off the property. Raise a ruckus and things won't get nicer.

Maybe some day we can do this ... but I don't think many here believe that day is near.

i dont really care where he's talking about Bob...if you have a device which produces wimpy vapour,you have to suffer it at home also,probably the place where most of our vaping is done for the majority of us.

i wont be coralled into this way of thinking,i know what i want...and thats more vapour,not less...if thats what someone wants,then get a nicotine inhaler and be done with it.

if i have to deal with holding my breath for a little while in public,or being extra discrete in order to actually enjoy my vaping,then i will....its not that hard to do.

ive always thought this was the direction ecigs were going to go in eventually,and i dont like it one bit-im sure most people feel the same...and i bet if we started a poll the vast majority of people would like more vapour.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

..i bet if we started a poll the vast majority of people would like more vapour.

Do it darcy!

 

[Ludo]

Hiya Ludo

Been there, done that. Got the scars.

You should see the other guy, though...

I got kicked out of a bar by 2 bouncers! Explaining wouldn't help... some customer complained about smoke and that was that. Vapor or no vapor, they called it smoke, it raised confusion, end of story.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Well yeah, not that it's too hard to confuse a bouncer. I don't usually go to places that have guys on the door - Joe Public is tough enough to handle without getting up in the face of gorillas who are paid to 'bounce'...

 

[Nazareth]

I got kicked out of a bar by 2 bouncers! Explaining wouldn't help... some customer complained about smoke and that was that. Vapor or no vapor, they called it smoke, it raised confusion, end of story.

That's where you or osmeone else need to approach the bar owner and explain the situaiton to htem- telign htem that these thigns are coming out in public, and that it's only a matter of time before they will have to be accepted if they aren't agaisnt hte law. If they complain that it 'might give hte impression', then again, informaing htem that we're only goign ot see icnreased usage of hte device means that his bar is either goign to have to allow them or ban them, and that he'll have to make that decision soon. If they choose to allow htem, probably hte vest htign to do would be to start advertising htem at hte bar, with plaques or boards that explain hte situation to everyoen that visits hte bar so that they will KNOW what it is amd that cigarette smoking is STILL banned, and htose caught lighting up will be bounced-

This is goign ot take some effort on our part, but those bars that htrew you out have the opportunity to be leaders by helping pave the way for acceptance, or they can continue ot discriminate- their hcoice-

Bars will start to understand that the business htey lost when th4ey banned cigarettes will start coming bakc if Esmoking is allowed- it only makes good business sense to consider hte situation now, instead of being behind hte eightball as other bars get the business becausehtey allow them

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Good summary, Naz. I posted way back about a bar-chain owning loony we have here in the UK. His outfit is called Wetherspoons and he has about 700 pubs. He was very receptive to new ideas. For instance he got rid of music in his boozers - man, we flooded in. He was also one of the first to supply no-smoking areas for the food and families-with-kids trade. If I'm not mistaken he was also amongst the first to go smoke free, ahead of the ban, I think. I think that was because he thought he was catching the wave, not because he's an anti. Anyway, he's uniquely vulenerable to the drop-off in trade because a lot of his places are barns - ex-supermarkets, cinemas and the like. You need about a hundred people in there before you know they're open. I'd say he'd be amenable to anything that brought the trade back. Might drop him a line...

 

[TropicalBob]

Education is the key, Naz. Forcing the issue is not an answer. We'll be slapped away like a pesky mosquito. We don't have the numbers. And even Trog has written that e-smoking will confuse the law enforcement issue of "no smoking." It will confuse fellow patrons. It's a real issue.

I am so grateful that I have this for use at home and in my car. It's helping to keep me off far worse cigarettes. Do I want to push things in public places? No. The longer the government stays out of this, the better for all of us. "Push" will quickly bring attention to the issue and I can list any number of reasons why e-smoking won't get an initial favorable reaction from government or the public. The manufacturers, particularly Ruyan, must carry the issue to legality and wider acceptance. Without that, expect a ban on a drug delivery device that uses poisonous fluid, as they'll argue.

 

[Nazareth]

I agree it's a real issue- I wasn't suggestign we force it on bar owners or resteraunt, but rather to educate htem that the issue will soon be forced on them because as more nad more people discover htem, the issue iwll have ot coem ot the forefront, and htye'll have to deal with hte issue sooner or later- If they choose sooner, then it will becoem hteir job to tell their patrons somehow that htese htigns are not unhealthy (regardign hte vapor), but ensure that real smoking is still banned-

you're right, right now we don't have the numbers, but as these hit the markets, business owners will have to decide what they are and are not goign ot allow. I think the best way ot handle it for now is discrete conversatiosn with business owners, get hteir view o nthe issue, and honor what htey decide for now, but let htem know the revolution is coming, and if legal, they really won't be able ot stop it except for enstating personal preferences/biases agaisnt it.

I had htought abotu showing and explainign it all ot the resteraunt owner I eat at, and tellign htem these htigns are coming, and to know what htey are, but didn't really want htem banning me from using it which i do discretely now.

 

[Nazareth]

one last question- the4 plug that came with yor kit, would it fit U.S plugs? Or is it a european plug? All they say on their site is "North American", then under hteir miscelanious products, they show a "U.S usb adapter" which I'm assuming I'd have to buy the UBB charger plus the U.S usb adapter in addition? Don't uynderstand why we can't pick our plug ends from a drop down list liek other sites. Everythings gotta be so stinking confusing on their site. I just know soemthign is goign to go wrong with hte order & I'll be stuck for another $35 for shipping, plus be forced ot buy soemthign else.

Someone contact Loong and ask to be a reseller here in the states and make a site that isn't as midn twistign as loong's site!!!

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Someone contact Loong and ask to be a reseller here in the states and make a site that isn't as midn twistign as loong's site!!!

its already been done. they only have 1 exclusive USA distributor. Smoke51.com ... remember?

Vapor51 (i guess a reseller of Smoke51) has some on ebay. Pretty cheap too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Electronic-Ciga...ryZ75047QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[karenwest1961]

its already been done. they only have 1 exclusive USA distributor. Smoke51.com ... remember?

Vapor51 (i guess a reseller of Smoke51) has some on ebay. Pretty cheap too.

Electronic Cigarette Smoke Anywhere Brand New Release - eBay (item 220260980473 end time Jul-30-08 18:22:59 PDT)

Oh. I remember that guy. He's the bouncer for Club 51, right?

 

[Nazareth]

lol cash- I meant for a human to be a reseller, not a primate to be a reseller- I just don't trust that dude 51

 

[TropicalBob]

Ludo knows that bouncer well. He ones of the guys who threw Ludo out for e-smoking!

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

probably didn't like the brand - he'da sold Ludo a Loong T...