Lost another supplier due to child proof caps - and the lie about why.

[AndriaD]

The child proof caps don't bother me, but the heat shrink plastic seals over them drive me crazy. I don't know how many dripper caps I have stabbed trying to get them off, rendering them useless...

Nearly all the sealed plastic pkging utterly defeats me; it's a standing joke in my house that I am completely "packaging deficient" -- and the real irony is that my husband's employer is a packaging company. My husband opens potato chip bags and cereal bags so I don't a) destroy them, or b) fling chips or cereal across the room. I've never yet succeeded in unwrapping a new CD.

Andria

 

[amoret]

This is a catch-22 situation.

Yes, these things should be kept out of the reach of children, as should medication (and common household cleaners and such...). It sounds really good to the do-gooders and the 'what about the children' group to have childproof lids, but the fact is that it doesn't always work as planned.

(1) The lack of childproof lids will expose the children to the possibility of ingesting the substance.

(2) Childproof lids will hamper accessiblity of the substance to some of those for whom it is intended, e.g., folks who aren't able to grip or use their hands very well, such as some of us with arthritis. And some of those folks will just manage to open the childproof bottles and promptly transfer the contents to another container more user-friendly to themselves, which takes us back to (1).

And of course when you transfer the contents you lose the labeling, including the warnings. I have a label printer for my computer, but don't generally do more than the flavor name and strength -- and the only reason I do the strength is because I use two.

My favorite comment on the topic was when my daughter announced on Facebook that my then 13 year old grandson was officially an adult, because he couldn't open the child proof aspirin bottle.

 

[Noble Gas]

If someone could invent an effective and inexpensive 'universal childproof cap opener' for people with movement restrictions, they would clean up. I googled the concept and found a site advertising 'Cap-EZ', which claims to be just the ticket, but it looks a little large for juice bottles.

 

[Despraci]

I've been really happy with Vaperite since the week after I started vaping. My three favorite flavors have been from them, though I've tried a lot of other suppliers. And, I could open the bottles all by myself. I had eliminated a lot of suppliers based on whether they supplied the liquid in bottles I could use.

So I stayed loyal when they increased the price a bit, and when they quit sending free samples with each purchase, but my last order arrived with child proof caps. Then, when I asked about it they said it was "due to regulations." So I e-mailed back asking what state had just done that, since I know that there is no federal rule.

The response was kind of an oops, caught us, since they now said that they were being proactive about the federal rules -- you know, the ones that won't be in place yet for at least a couple of years?

Luckily, I've started on the DIY path, so I just need to work harder and faster on that. In the meantime, anyone know where I could get an Earl Grey Tea flavor in a non-childproof bottle? I had to have someone open the ones I just got and pour them into different bottles.

I have a feeling, by the time the FDA gets done with the e-liquid market, this will be mandatory. Which will be interesting for any order above 60ml or come in jug type bottles. I a sure they will adapt and have to adapt quick.

I can understand your frustration, my mom had scleraderma and couldn't open bottles, I was the official bottle opener till the end. But with all the cries of "save our children from the nasty e-liquids" I bet this is one thing that becomes a requirement.

 

[madcow]

Some caps are a cap within a cap. You can take the bottle with cap still on and place the edge of the cap on the edge of a counter or something and give it a hard whack with the heel of your hand and the top cap comes off and is no longer child proof. A screwdriver or an old timey beer can opener will work too.

I had more to say but I drank too much wine. Sorry.

 

[techtimb]

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-Evil-Childproof-caps-easy-to-open/

 

[jenspen]

For those who are complaining about child-proof bottles, do you also boycott ibuprofen or tylenol or benadryl? I mean, I'm just curious... whether or not you "own" children, do you factor that in when you have a headache? I mean, I have childproof vapor bottles, and... um... they're not hard to open. Just sayin'... I know I'm new, so I am not trying to be witchy... but... I see the child-proofing as an added measure to continue doing business... with the lawsuits nowadays, liability ain't no joke.

~Jen

 

[faile]

For those who are complaining about child-proof bottles, do you also boycott ibuprofen or tylenol or benadryl? I mean, I'm just curious... whether or not you "own" children, do you factor that in when you have a headache? I mean, I have childproof vapor bottles, and... um... they're not hard to open. Just sayin'... I know I'm new, so I am not trying to be witchy... but... I see the child-proofing as an added measure to continue doing business... with the lawsuits nowadays, liability ain't no joke.

~Jen

The entire point of this thread is that some adults are NOT able to open childproof caps. Not everyone has full use of their hands, and yes, I do believe difficulty with aspirin and ibuprofen bottles has already been mentioned as a problem as well.

 

[amoret]

For those who are complaining about child-proof bottles, do you also boycott ibuprofen or tylenol or benadryl? I mean, I'm just curious... whether or not you "own" children, do you factor that in when you have a headache? I mean, I have childproof vapor bottles, and... um... they're not hard to open. Just sayin'... I know I'm new, so I am not trying to be witchy... but... I see the child-proofing as an added measure to continue doing business... with the lawsuits nowadays, liability ain't no joke.

~Jen

Actually, yes, as I stated earlier in this thread, I do avoid any products in child resistant containers. It is not only not easy for me to open the small ones on my liquid, it is impossible. Some of the large flat type pill bottles can be opened by pressing them upside down on a hard surface, but it sure can make a mess if my hand slips while I'm trying to do that.

Almost all other products (a few cleaning supplies are the exception, but we have to have help cleaning now anyhow) involve the option of either type of cap.

 

[HecticEnergy]

I don't think the safety caps are going anywhere. It does suck for some.

If it's a plastic bottle, stab it with a syringe, and suck the juice out and place it in a more convenient bottle, no?

Personally I like them. I drip, so I usually have a few bottles in my pocket, when sitting on the couch one slipped out of my pocket without me noticing. Luckily it was after he went to bed, because I didn't notice it until the next morning just camping out there in the middle of the couch. I'm sure it's not the last time it will happen, but I pay much closer attention now - my wife laughs because occasionally I'll tap my pocket, then jump up off and look where I was seated like a bug bit me because I didn't immediately feel my juice bottle in my pocket... Lately I've been moving my juices to a plastic 30ml bottle, as they are MUCH less likely to slip out of my pocket like a smaller or glass bottle. Plus the eye droppers I find to be more hassle and potential mess then they are worth.

I have a little one and he's after whatever we are doing. iPads, laptops, cellphones, remotes, even mods. Luckily we keep an eye on him so he never has anything we don't want him to have for long. As he gets older we will have the conversation about adult things. I don't have juice scattered through the house, it's usually on me or in my office up high.


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[spartanstew]

For those who are complaining about child-proof bottles, do you also boycott ibuprofen or tylenol or benadryl? I mean, I'm just curious... whether or not you "own" children, do you factor that in when you have a headache? I mean, I have childproof vapor bottles, and... um... they're not hard to open. Just sayin'... I know I'm new, so I am not trying to be witchy... but... I see the child-proofing as an added measure to continue doing business... with the lawsuits nowadays, liability ain't no joke.

~Jen

Reading, it's fundamental.

 

[AndriaD]

And my only child is 26, guess he/she didn't read that either -- no tots around nor likely to be, so I have no use whatever for childproof caps. They serve only to elevate my blood pressure... which isn't really a bad thing, come to think of it, as low as mine is.

Andria

 

[mwjones]

It really irks me that this is an issue. If I leave a bottle of ejuice lying around, and my child gets a hold of it, drinks it, and dies, OBVIOUSLY that's the retailer's fault, right? It couldn't be my fault for maybe, leaving it lying around somewhere a child could get it, or say, not teaching my child not to eat random stuff they find. The same reason there are "caution: hot" warnings on coffee cups, "This product contains nuts" on the banana nut ice cream, integral locks on firearms, governors on car engines.... because people are stupid, and when they do stupid things, do anything they possibly can to blame it on someone else, and try to sue for big $$$. Idiot proofing everything takes evolution out of the equation by allowing idiots to thrive.

 

[k702]

The nanny state strikes again... muahahahaha

 

[Rickajho]

For those who are complaining about child-proof bottles, do you also boycott ibuprofen or tylenol or benadryl? I mean, I'm just curious... whether or not you "own" children, do you factor that in when you have a headache? I mean, I have childproof vapor bottles, and... um... they're not hard to open. Just sayin'... I know I'm new, so I am not trying to be witchy... but... I see the child-proofing as an added measure to continue doing business... with the lawsuits nowadays, liability ain't no joke.

~Jen

Well since you brought it up...

If you had a clue - maybe you will some day - you will find out that the world doesn't revolve around what works for you and you alone. In the real world some people deal with arthritis and serious dexterity issues from a host of disorders and having to deal with dumbing down "...for the children!!!" leaves them with a bottle that is, in fact, hard to impossible to open. Since you have no problem opening bottles I suggest you visit everyone who does have a very real problem with that and help out. We'll have the first list of 20,000 ready for you by the end of the month.

 

[Anjaffm]

@rickajho:

 

[twizted]

I've found that for most childproof e-liquid caps, you can gently squeeze the cap with a pair of pliers while turning and they screw right off.

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[AlfyB]

I know this is not the main point of this thread, but several brands got taken off the market in Europe because of lack of childproof caps (just this month for Snake Oil in France, for example). Considering the amount of US juice that gets vaped in Europe, I would not be surprised THAT is the main reason for some brands to move forward, rather than brands being proactive on a legislation that has not even been voted yet.

 

[Anjaffm]

I've found that for most childproof e-liquid caps, you can gently squeeze the cap with a pair of pliers while turning and they screw right off.

Now that is a great idea! Thank you for sharing!
I do not have arthritis (thankfully!) but at 54, I do not have the strength in my hands that I used to have.
And I have been using handy tools such as an everything-opener (literal translation from German) and a champagne bottle opener for years.

But pliers for childproof caps - brilliant, thank you!
I had to stab a bottle of detergent the other day, as I absolutely could not get that stupid silly childproof cap off....

 

[Noble Gas]

I have a problem with childproof caps like most adults, they're a pain. I don't have arthritis but I feel for those that do. I also see the point of those things and, considering how stupid many people's kids are, and what lousy parents some folks are (and kids being home alone more now that both parents often have to work), it's probably a good thing. BUT I think all products that have child safety packaging should be available in 'child-endangering' caps as well, for those of us who don't have (or like - lol) kids or who have movement restrictions. I know it will never happen because it would cost too much, but there is so much excess in packaging already. Many things I buy require sharp scissors or box cutters to get open. I had hoped that online retailing would have solved that problem - you order something, tell them what kind of packaging you want, and they box it up appropriately, without all the extruded plastic nonsense. Since it's not coming from a B&M, there's no need to safeguard against theft. But, like the idea that computers would make us a paperless society, that never seemed to materialize.

I have also noticed that the childproof caps on e-juice are 'caps within caps', but I've never tried taking the inner cap out completely; it seems like they wouldn't really seal the bottle without that inside part. They do seem to come apart sort of halfway by themselves sometimes, making them completely useless. I've had to replace several of those. They're just not that great.