Lots of bad news about vaping recently?!?
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I was figuring it might be. If the light hits it just right, even fresh off the atty, it appears to have an aerosol appearance.
Yeah. That doesn't mean it's unhealthy, though. I mean, fog is an aerosol. It's natural!
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Some of us are doing everything we can think of doing to keep the powers that be from decimating the vaping industry as we know it and then we have folks that vape but aren't interested enough in even trying to learn the very basics such as the words vaping vs smoking or e-liquid vs oils. If one was actually vaping oils then that person could very well be causing deadly damage to their lungs. How can we even begin to convince the general public that vaping is not smoking if even we can't agree that it isn't.
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and now that it is here can we resolve to do all we can to keep vaping possible for all the folks that have not found their way to it yet. I would love to see hundreds of thousands less smokers at the end of this year.
I also resolve to never ever become one of those people, you know who I mean. One of those that try their best to turn smokers into less than second class citizens and feel like they have the right to shame them into submission. I see some of that right here on this very forum
For those that have signed this petition, Thank you !!!!! for those that haven't please do. It is getting close to time to present it to the folks that need to see that we are not taking this sitting on our thumbs this time. So far 50,993 folks have signed.
U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, President of the United States: Reject the FDA's Deeming of Vapor Products as Tobacco Products
Some of us are doing everything we can think of doing to keep the powers that be from decimating the vaping industry as we know it and then we have folks that vape but aren't interested enough in even trying to learn the very basics such as the words vaping vs smoking or e-liquid vs oils. If one was actually vaping oils then that person could very well be causing deadly damage to their lungs. How can we even begin to convince the general public that vaping is not smoking if even we can't agree that it isn't.
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and now that it is here can we resolve to do all we can to keep vaping possible for all the folks that have not found their way to it yet. I would love to see hundreds of thousands less smokers at the end of this year.
I also resolve to never ever become one of those people, you know who I mean. One of those that try their best to turn smokers into less than second class citizens and feel like they have the right to shame them into submission. I see some of that right here on this very forum
For those that have signed this petition, Thank you !!!!! for those that haven't please do. It is getting close to time to present it to the folks that need to see that we are not taking this sitting on our thumbs this time. So far 50,993 folks have signed.
U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, President of the United States: Reject the FDA's Deeming of Vapor Products as Tobacco Products
Well, if we can not even get the facts regarding vaping straight within our own ranks why are we so surprised that the anti groups are winning this war against vaping with the non-vaping public. Seriously, misinformation and the misinformed are playing a big role in that, please do not add to it, become educated about vaping. At a minimum every vaper should know what it is they are inhaling into their lungs and what they are exhaling.......
I don't have a problem with people who don't like vaping , what i have a big problem with is people who are opposed to vaping based on completely inaccurate information and outright lies , that is just infuriating .
If your going to decide whether you approve or disapprove at least have the decency to educate yourself about what the facts are , there is just no excuse for not doing so unless you just want to disapprove and don't care about whats factual or not .
I see anti's saying the most ridiculous things in these comment sections about e cigs like "your vaping the exact same stuff that your car uses for antifreeze" and "e cigs give off much more deadly smoke than regular cigs" , these types could use a very thorough a_ _ kicking .
Just my opinion of course
If your going to decide whether you approve or disapprove at least have the decency to educate yourself about what the facts are , there is just no excuse for not doing so unless you just want to disapprove and don't care about whats factual or not .
I see anti's saying the most ridiculous things in these comment sections about e cigs like "your vaping the exact same stuff that your car uses for antifreeze" and "e cigs give off much more deadly smoke than regular cigs" , these types could use a very thorough a_ _ kicking .
Just my opinion of course
The problem with us losing ground is very simply we are too diversed now.
We are advocating vaping, but to what end?
To allow money keep on flowing?
To make politics and thefore getting voters?
For the sake of arguing against The Man?
Or to save lives?
Problem is that not all the regulations effect the motivations the same way.
We are advocating vaping, but to what end?
To allow money keep on flowing?
To make politics and thefore getting voters?
For the sake of arguing against The Man?
Or to save lives?
Problem is that not all the regulations effect the motivations the same way.
Some vapers are a liability to the vaping cause.
In everything there are a few who try to mess it up for everyone.
In everything there are a few who try to mess it up for everyone.
I never said it was bad... but like many, if I had a choice to vape or not vape... obviously the best choice would be to not vape. But since I have a choice to vape or smoke, I choose to vape... until nicotine is no longer a thorn in my side, I will continue to vape.
As I look at lung cancer, throat cancer, and oral cancer as a primary reason as to why I don't want to smoke, chew, or toss in a fat wad of dip as pretty good reasons to stop my smoking, chewing, and dipping.
Misinformation comes from both sides of the fence though. Which is why I lock my sights on smokers (or people that use ANY tobacco) who are looking for a safer alternative to their life... and every time I recommend vaping as an alternative. Do I make bad judgements? Sure I do, but I'm pretty clear in what I recommend as well. I don't recommend people getting the "new hotness" after it's released because... well, they're new. Like when mechs were the "l33tubersauce" of the vaping market... my advice to people was "Don't play with mechs until you've done your research on how a mech works... and the basics of Ohm's Law". Now my stance is the same but I try my best to inform new vapers to get something small to start with and "Just because your device can... doesn't mean you should". I also try to let them know that there are options and that they should conduct their own research into what's available before making that investment. I don't attempt to sell them a device that's capable of "1.21 gigawatts" and then say "MAX IT OUT @ .00000000000001 Ohm!" As funny as it sounds, I watch videos and hear people saying that kind of stuff. That's people coming from within the "Vaping Community". Not to mention the media and the "pipe bomb batteries" discussions as well. When asked whether or not something devastating will happen, my advice to people is to conduct research on what it is you're planning to purchase PRIOR to purchasing it - and this is usually before I give them my personal experience.
Same applies to the whole AP / DI thing. People ASK all the time and my response to them about AP / DI - "If it makes you uncomfortable... then don't vape certain flavors that show patterns of containing AP / DI". Me on the other hand, I'll stick with my creams, custards, and yogurt flavors. It's what I like and if that means getting sick from vaping them, oh well... I'm in charge of my life and my decisions. So my choices - whether or not they put me in danger - are solely up to me. And as a rational individual, I will take responsibility for them in the end. I don't want to end up hospitalized for "popcorn lung"... then again I don't want to have parts of my body removed or suffer the ill-fated death of chemo either. The bottom lime - fear mongering does nothing but dissuade people from trying something altogether, resulting in a gain for big tobacco / big pharma - which in turn - pays politicians, the FDA, and the CDC to further deliver misinformation. It's your life, you flip the coin, you pay the price in the end. Just make sure that when the time comes, you look back on your existence and be proud to have made the choices you did.
As I look at lung cancer, throat cancer, and oral cancer as a primary reason as to why I don't want to smoke, chew, or toss in a fat wad of dip as pretty good reasons to stop my smoking, chewing, and dipping.
Misinformation comes from both sides of the fence though. Which is why I lock my sights on smokers (or people that use ANY tobacco) who are looking for a safer alternative to their life... and every time I recommend vaping as an alternative. Do I make bad judgements? Sure I do, but I'm pretty clear in what I recommend as well. I don't recommend people getting the "new hotness" after it's released because... well, they're new. Like when mechs were the "l33tubersauce" of the vaping market... my advice to people was "Don't play with mechs until you've done your research on how a mech works... and the basics of Ohm's Law". Now my stance is the same but I try my best to inform new vapers to get something small to start with and "Just because your device can... doesn't mean you should". I also try to let them know that there are options and that they should conduct their own research into what's available before making that investment. I don't attempt to sell them a device that's capable of "1.21 gigawatts" and then say "MAX IT OUT @ .00000000000001 Ohm!" As funny as it sounds, I watch videos and hear people saying that kind of stuff. That's people coming from within the "Vaping Community". Not to mention the media and the "pipe bomb batteries" discussions as well. When asked whether or not something devastating will happen, my advice to people is to conduct research on what it is you're planning to purchase PRIOR to purchasing it - and this is usually before I give them my personal experience.
Same applies to the whole AP / DI thing. People ASK all the time and my response to them about AP / DI - "If it makes you uncomfortable... then don't vape certain flavors that show patterns of containing AP / DI". Me on the other hand, I'll stick with my creams, custards, and yogurt flavors. It's what I like and if that means getting sick from vaping them, oh well... I'm in charge of my life and my decisions. So my choices - whether or not they put me in danger - are solely up to me. And as a rational individual, I will take responsibility for them in the end. I don't want to end up hospitalized for "popcorn lung"... then again I don't want to have parts of my body removed or suffer the ill-fated death of chemo either. The bottom lime - fear mongering does nothing but dissuade people from trying something altogether, resulting in a gain for big tobacco / big pharma - which in turn - pays politicians, the FDA, and the CDC to further deliver misinformation. It's your life, you flip the coin, you pay the price in the end. Just make sure that when the time comes, you look back on your existence and be proud to have made the choices you did.
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We don't have one (or several) PR agencies putting our own spin on research and flooding the media with press releases with said spin.
The truth gets buried under a layer of muck. Our side of the story is told on ECF or on randomsomethingecigaretteblog.com - (mostly) not anywhere where it may influence public opinion.
We are busy nitpicking minutiae to get things Right - while our opposition plays a No Holds Barred game.
Media measures success in clicks. Every antivaping article instantly gets a million clicks from antis, followed by 5 million clicks by upset vapers. I wish people would start dumping antivaping articles on Pastebin rather than linking to the articles themselves. By linking the articles on every forum and every blog, and bringing a ton of clicks, it's US that keeps bumping up their search engine relevance and encourages media to print even more antivaping articles.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." Terry Pratchett -The Truth
The truth gets buried under a layer of muck. Our side of the story is told on ECF or on randomsomethingecigaretteblog.com - (mostly) not anywhere where it may influence public opinion.
We are busy nitpicking minutiae to get things Right - while our opposition plays a No Holds Barred game.
Media measures success in clicks. Every antivaping article instantly gets a million clicks from antis, followed by 5 million clicks by upset vapers. I wish people would start dumping antivaping articles on Pastebin rather than linking to the articles themselves. By linking the articles on every forum and every blog, and bringing a ton of clicks, it's US that keeps bumping up their search engine relevance and encourages media to print even more antivaping articles.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on." Terry Pratchett -The Truth
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Several incorrect post in a row. Back to the beginners class for you!
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If disinterested, then why here? I think you are and just haven't realized it.
Most vapers are not sub-ohmers.Most of us are using regular EGO type batteries and or basic VV/VW with standard tanks.
Just because we don't hang around the sample bar all day doesn't mean we're not there. I believe vaping for the average
vaper is incredibly safe and any harm if at all would be more of an irritation as opposed to a actual debilitating illness.
When something like vaping is as safe as drinking municipal tap water you've got to ask yourself just what is it we are afraid
of?
Regards
Mike
Well, considering most people, myself included, have never heard of such - An introduction to a better way may be in order
Well, considering most people, myself included, have never heard of such - An introduction to a better way may be in order
Here you go. I'm sure you'll get the drift
We have all these pro vaping causes that take in money and support...where are their articles. They should be putting them out there on a regular basis..but where are they? We can complain about ALL THE BAD anti vaping articles out there but at some point we have to at least say they are consistent is getting their message out unlike the pro vaping causes out there.
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