LR attys damaging eGo/Riva battery?

[Scottbee]

I've killed Tornado/eGo batteries with cartomizers.. so it's not just the LR atties that can do you in (although they appear to have a higher probability of distorting internally and going "dead-short").

It's really a shame that the eGo-class batteries don't have a more robust "short circuit protection".

 

[Drozd]

Drozd, is your eGo tweaked at all? Or are you using your as it's sold. If it's not tweaked, have you tried the new cartos, the 2.5 Ω ones from Vapors Etc. and/or Good Prophets? How about the big eGo cartomizer? They are all in the "moderate" resistance range and I like them a lot. What do you think?

I use em as is really with the joye 510 atty...occasionally I'll run one with a turbo carto and an adapter cranked open so I can use the cone without peeling the carto label...

more often I'm using my super T with the turbos at 6V....though I've been eyeing the LR 306 atty on a high drain 14500 LiMN...and I really forsee that being the end all (well until at least I get the big battery mod)....then I may foray into the e2 cartos when they get all those wrinkles ironed out..

 

[Drozd]

So is this what all the hoopla about HD IMR batts is about? I've heard from others they can't tell the difference between HD and standard Lith-ions.

From what I can gather, this just means it's safer all around (for you, the batt, and the atty) if you use HD batts, not a vaping experience thing.

yeah really that's what it boils down to...though I do think that it's also a vaping experience thing..(for batteries smaller than 18650)

if you take a LR 510 at 3.7V your amp draw is about 2.47A...even a standard joye atty it's 1.61A...

so your max drain rates on the batteries totally change by which battery you're using...and the majority of them are below the amp draw...
so it's not actually hitting as hard the voltage sags to make it work..ie the resistance of an atty at a given voltage has a amp draw... if the battery can't provide that then it'll drop in voltage which changes the amp draw til it can satisfy that need...

18650s get past that with sheer mAh....(you can use the mAh to figure out the max drain of a battery)...
that's why it seems like an atty on a 18650 will hit harder than say a 14500... because the 14500 sags and isnt really giving you that 3.7 where the 18650 is...

the high drains alleviate that... take for example that 14500 battery... the UF 900mAh has a max drain rate of 1.3A...the AW 750mAh has a max drain rate of 1.5A (remember our amp draws from earlier?) now the AW high drain has a max drain rate of 4A

so with the high drain you sacrifice some mAh and time per charge... but it hits harder and your batteries will last longer in overall service life...

in the 18650s though you wouldn't notice a difference because even the Li-Ions can meet the amp draw easily so the high drains are overkill and all they'll provide is a shorter life between charges because of the lower mAh...

*NOTE: on the ones where there is a difference like the 14500 or the 16340...the reduced time is almost impercievable because since they do hit harder people tend to hold the button for a shorter length of time so it comes out to almost lasting the same amount of time...
*and an aditional note: on 6V or 7.4V....the max drain versus amp draw is even worse...which is why you see the reports of someone stacking 123a batteries and a joye atty in like a SB and them not working....because the amp draw is so far above the max drain rate of the batteries it trips the overdischarge protection of the batteries PCB....higher drain batteries like the AW 3V LiFePo4 and the LiMN batteries dont have that issue not just because they dont have a PCB (they don't need them) it's because their max drain rate isn't even close to being exceeded...

 

[Huffin & Puffin]

I just stumbled on this old thread looking for some atty information concerning the Riva.

My objective as of late has been to move away from 5-6 volt vaping.

My personal experience is that the Riva has been very reliable teamed up with LR306 and the LR901.

Now for full disclosure, I have vaped like a mad man since dropping the analogs.

A standard 510 battery has never lasted me more than an hour and a half at best.

I only drip and my tools of the trade are Drew’s XHaler and the Riva.

I have three or four month on few Riva batteries that are vaped for a good 4 or 5 hours before being swapped out.

As soon as I experience an LR atty weakening on the Riva I move it over to the XHaler.

The LR atty is never allowed to go dry… NEVER! It is the kiss of death.

I may get a couple of days with the weakened LR on the Xhaler being fully aware that it is getting the Kevorkian
Treatment.

Whenever using a new atty for the first time it is primed with 3 or 4 drops of juice and left to sit for 5 minutes or so.

I would suspect that this may be a priming issue combined with trying to squeeze the last bit of life out of the atty.

FWIW I have never had a problem with Drew at Nhaler replacing seldom received defective equipment.