Made a choice today. Diacetyl & AP.

[AndriaD]

So is there truly a difference between natural and artificial flavorings? Yes. Artificial flavorings are simpler in composition and potentially safer because only safety-tested components are utilized. Another difference between natural and artificial flavorings is cost. The search for "natural" sources of chemicals often requires that a manufacturer go to great lengths to obtain a given chemical. Natural coconut flavorings, for example, depend on a chemical called massoya lactone. Massoya lactone comes from the bark of the Massoya tree, which grows in Malaysia. Collecting this natural chemical kills the tree because harvesters must remove the bark and extract it to obtain the lactone. Furthermore, the process is costly. This pure natural chemical is identical to the version made in an organic chemists laboratory, yet it is much more expensive than the synthetic alternative. Consumers pay a lot for natural flavorings. But these are in fact no better in quality, nor are they safer, than their cost-effective artificial counterparts."

I think also that natural sweet/fruit flavorings probably have some degree of natural sugars, whereas a synthetic of that flavor may not, and I think that may be the difference in vaping this particular "shisha strawberry" as opposed to some synthetic strawberry flavoring; this natural flavoring causes an EXTREME amount of coil and wick gunking, which just illustrates why natural flavors are not necessarily vape-friendly.

Andria

 

[Caprilli]

Frankly I do not care if I have to change a 1$ coil every second day, but I do care about the vape that goes into my body If I would not care, I could have stuck with analogues but that is just me.

 

[AndriaD]

Frankly I do not care if I have to change a 1$ coil every second day, but I do care about the vape that goes into my body If I would not care, I could have stuck with analogues but that is just me.

By that logic, cyanide would be perfectly safe -- hey, it's organic! Apricot pits are full of it!

Andria

 

[Caprilli]

Andria you and I just have to agree to disagree as I cannot see how you where able to interpret my posts into your conclusion.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria you and I just have to agree to disagree as I cannot see how you where able to interpret my posts into your conclusion.

I dunno, you just seem to be saying that organic is as good for vaping as it is for dietary consumption, and that ain't necessarily so. As that long post pointed out, there are many toxins in many natural, organic substances, because mother nature doesn't care about the FDA; toxins are in plants as their defense system. The chemicals that impart taste/smell are the same whether they occurred naturally, alongside natural toxins, or they're made in a lab, where toxins have been deliberately screened out, omitted, tested for, and eliminated.

The human body also has defense systems, and the most aggressive one is the one in our digestive system; the lungs also have some defenses, but it's not as aggressive and works quite differently, such as producing mucus and causing us to cough out irritants; things which might not be toxic at all, if digested, might actually be extremely toxic to our respiratory system -- even organic things, such as diacetyl.

Andria

 

[Caprilli]

Andria nobody was denying the fact, that certain organic matters are toxic if inhaled but I rather use an organic extract of an actual plant, that is non toxic than use artificial flavors and tons of E-Numbers. We all make our choices and as far as the FDA is concerned............. well, their restrictions are limited in my views!

 

[lirruping]

There are persuasive points made on both sides of the issue of organic vs synthetic flavors and "safety"--itself a very relative word: what in the world can be said to be entirely "safe"?.

It's no simple matter to come to an opinion; more of a judgment call--especially with so little research yet on inhalation.

That's uncomfortable and I admit I find it difficult not being able to have a righteous set of arguments about every aspect of something I'm so invested in (vaping), but we have to--and do--make day-to-day decisions about lots of things like this to live our lives. The best we can do is to keep on critically taking in what information becomes available and adjusting our stance as necessary.

Discussions like this are very productive and thought-provoking as long as we bear in mind how little hard data we are working with along with the fact that even the existing data is not easy for the everyday layperson (me!) to absorb.

(As a postscript on a separate issue, I really wish important threads like this would stay open so that people could come back with new information/ideas on the topic and so that new vapers can find a current/ongoing discussion easily.)

 

[Caprilli]

(As a postscript on a separate issue, I really wish important threads like this would stay open so that people could come back with new information/ideas on the topic and so that new vapers can find a current/ongoing discussion easily.)

Amen to that. I have found many closed threads during my initial research and I would have loved to been able to add my questions right there.