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Glor

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You've understood it exactly right, Glor... that's what I was thinking waaaay back in my original post, but didn't want to commit to... I have since been shown the error of my ways and shouldn't have doubted what my brain was trying to tell my fingers was correct. :)
Understood, thanks for your help. I agree it's best to be cautious when it comes to electrics.
Exactly and a quick learner I'll add
Thanks for the complement :)
That is correct. I still wouldn't do it though.... and if you must, never overnight. :)
Yes I understand your take on this and I respect your opinion, so thanks for your input. It's only a few quid for an adapter designed for e-cigs, I was just put off the necessity since the place I purchased from effectively recommended something that was the same spec as my phone charger. Also when travelling it'd be great not to have to carry multiple adapters. However if it's the safe thing to do, I'll happily make a purchase!

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I'll definitely agree with the never overnight part! I never leave a battery on the charger overnight or while out of the house...

Just to follow up on this... One of my "other" hobbies is radio controlled airplanes and helicopters... and when Lithium Ion batteries came along they almost revolutionized things. Transmitters, receivers and now even electric powered machines... These cells are unprotected... Meaning they CAN be discharged down to lower than safe levels... Someone unfamiliar with their chemistry might not fully understand that, and I won't go into boring glaze your eyes over details, but here's the bottom line... It's not the CHARGING of a battery that's actually unsafe... Though that is where the consequences are suffered... In fact, it's the discharge of these cells that can create the danger. With a Lithium Ion battery if a cell is allowed to discharge down below a safe level (most use 3.3 volts, but realistically speaking 3 volts is where it really happens.. That's 3 volts PER cell if you have multiple cells... Anyway, once discharged below that "safe" level the battery itself won't show any signs of damage... It won't explode or steal your car.... It'll look perfectly normal... However, when charging it again that's where the magic happens...

To demonstrate this, I'll share a personal lesson.... I had a mid-sized electric heli called a T-Rex.... In it I had a battery that was rated for tremendous current drain... I believe it could handle 70C... It was a 2000mAh pack if I recall correctly, meaning it could discharge at 140 amps without damage!!! My charger used a temperature sensor that would sense the temperature of the battery during charging and if it detected the temperature rising too fast it would stop charging to prevent any serious issues.... I always made a habit of making sure the cells were above the safe minimum before charging and always placed them in the middle of my slate pool table during charging figuring worst case scenario if the worst happened it would just burn the felt on my table which was easily replaced... One night I was in a hurry to get to bed... It was very late and I wasn't paying nearly as much attention as I should have... Because of the "safety measures" I employed I never thought twice about letting a pack charge over night or while I was away...

That night I made a mistake... First, the pack had been discharged for a while, and I didn't check it first... So I'm 99% positive it was below the 3v per cell minimum... Secondly, when I hooked up the charger I didn't notice that the temperature probe had come a little lose from the charger and despite it having a warning flag on the screen I paid no attention to it...

I just went to bed....

Until about 2 hours later when I woke up to the smoke alarm going off and a toxic stench lingering in the air... I ran out of the bedroom to invesitgate and found the entire house filled with terrible acrid smoke... When I made my way to the billiard room I saw what could best be described as a firework display... It looked like one of those ground fountains had been set off right in the middle of the pool table... Streams of sparks and molten metal spewing out...

I yanked the cord from the charger and started opening the windows... When the smoke had cleared and the fireworks had ceased I investigated... The entire felt top had been burned away... Molten metal had spewed everywhere... Even beyond the confines of the 9ft tournament table and down around the sides... Chunks of metal had burned holes into the carpet....

It was my own stupidity... and I learned a very valuable lesson that night... Even when you think you're being safe, you probably aren't... Thankfully I did have it on that pool table... if it hadn't been there is no doubt it would have set fire to whatever was near it... the whole scenario could have turned out very differently... I think about that night every time I plug in a charger with 18650s or even my old ego sticks... Protected or not crap happens... even under the safest of conditions... So I always charge when I'm near by... and always try to be as safe as possible... I now have a "crock pot" that I sit my charger in during charging... Just in case... cause you just never know when the worst might happen!!!
 

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Just to follow up on this... One of my "other" hobbies is radio controlled airplanes and helicopters... and when Lithium Ion batteries came along they almost revolutionized things. Transmitters, receivers and now even electric powered machines... These cells are unprotected... Meaning they CAN be discharged down to lower than safe levels... Someone unfamiliar with their chemistry might not fully understand that, and I won't go into boring glaze your eyes over details, but here's the bottom line... It's not the CHARGING of a battery that's actually unsafe... Though that is where the consequences are suffered... In fact, it's the discharge of these cells that can create the danger. With a Lithium Ion battery if a cell is allowed to discharge down below a safe level (most use 3.3 volts, but realistically speaking 3 volts is where it really happens.. That's 3 volts PER cell if you have multiple cells... Anyway, once discharged below that "safe" level the battery itself won't show any signs of damage... It won't explode or steal your car.... It'll look perfectly normal... However, when charging it again that's where the magic happens...

To demonstrate this, I'll share a personal lesson.... I had a mid-sized electric heli called a T-Rex.... In it I had a battery that was rated for tremendous current drain... I believe it could handle 70C... It was a 2000mAh pack if I recall correctly, meaning it could discharge at 140 amps without damage!!! My charger used a temperature sensor that would sense the temperature of the battery during charging and if it detected the temperature rising too fast it would stop charging to prevent any serious issues.... I always made a habit of making sure the cells were above the safe minimum before charging and always placed them in the middle of my slate pool table during charging figuring worst case scenario if the worst happened it would just burn the felt on my table which was easily replaced... One night I was in a hurry to get to bed... It was very late and I wasn't paying nearly as much attention as I should have... Because of the "safety measures" I employed I never thought twice about letting a pack charge over night or while I was away...

That night I made a mistake... First, the pack had been discharged for a while, and I didn't check it first... So I'm 99% positive it was below the 3v per cell minimum... Secondly, when I hooked up the charger I didn't notice that the temperature probe had come a little lose from the charger and despite it having a warning flag on the screen I paid no attention to it...

I just went to bed....

Until about 2 hours later when I woke up to the smoke alarm going off and a toxic stench lingering in the air... I ran out of the bedroom to invesitgate and found the entire house filled with terrible acrid smoke... When I made my way to the billiard room I saw what could best be described as a firework display... It looked like one of those ground fountains had been set off right in the middle of the pool table... Streams of sparks and molten metal spewing out...

I yanked the cord from the charger and started opening the windows... When the smoke had cleared and the fireworks had ceased I investigated... The entire felt top had been burned away... Molten metal had spewed everywhere... Even beyond the confines of the 9ft tournament table and down around the sides... Chunks of metal had burned holes into the carpet....

It was my own stupidity... and I learned a very valuable lesson that night... Even when you think you're being safe, you probably aren't... Thankfully I did have it on that pool table... if it hadn't been there is no doubt it would have set fire to whatever was near it... the whole scenario could have turned out very differently... I think about that night every time I plug in a charger with 18650s or even my old ego sticks... Protected or not crap happens... even under the safest of conditions... So I always charge when I'm near by... and always try to be as safe as possible... I now have a "crock pot" that I sit my charger in during charging... Just in case... cause you just never know when the worst might happen!!!

Man that's horrible. Live and learn! :)
 

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Holy crap, bro!! Glad nobody got hurt! (Not counting the pool table and the carpet!)

Excellent idea with the crock pot... I stick my i4 Intellicharger inside a stainless stock-pot on the kitchen counter... I get strange looks from my wife all the time, don't ask! :D

She usually just :facepalm: and walks away shaking her head...
 

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Risking repeating the exact same combination that has already been responsible for a number of house fires in the UK is not worth it.

Don't ask me to explain it further. It has happened. It shouldn't have.

OK, you're totally confusing the issue here. I don't think this is helpful.

The OP is using the charger that was supplied with his e-cigarette, and only wants to know if he can use a wall->USB adapter to run it.

Nobody here knows whether the battery is a piece of crap, or the charger is a piece of crap. However, the charger IS designed to run off a USB. It's no different whether he's powering it from his desktop, his laptop, a USB wall-wart, or pretty much anything else.

There HAVE been instances when someone tried to charge a battery off the wrong charger that resulted in fires, failures, etc. If the charger he was sold WITH the e-cig is not appropriate, there's a great potential for a problem. BUT if his charger was a usb->e-cig charger, it should be the right thing to use, no matter what power the USB port it's connected to can provide. And CERTAINLY you shouldn't need to match the power available from the USB port to the power required from the charger.

Yeah, there are some batteries out there that are crap. Has NOTHING to do with the USB port.

I like the crock-pot recommendation! (Or any pot; got a stainless one that would work).
 

Glor

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Just to follow up on this... One of my "other" hobbies is radio controlled airplanes and helicopters... and when Lithium Ion batteries came along they almost revolutionized things. Transmitters, receivers and now even electric powered machines... These cells are unprotected... Meaning they CAN be discharged down to lower than safe levels... Someone unfamiliar with their chemistry might not fully understand that, and I won't go into boring glaze your eyes over details, but here's the bottom line... It's not the CHARGING of a battery that's actually unsafe... Though that is where the consequences are suffered... In fact, it's the discharge of these cells that can create the danger. With a Lithium Ion battery if a cell is allowed to discharge down below a safe level (most use 3.3 volts, but realistically speaking 3 volts is where it really happens.. That's 3 volts PER cell if you have multiple cells... Anyway, once discharged below that "safe" level the battery itself won't show any signs of damage... It won't explode or steal your car.... It'll look perfectly normal... However, when charging it again that's where the magic happens...

To demonstrate this, I'll share a personal lesson.... I had a mid-sized electric heli called a T-Rex.... In it I had a battery that was rated for tremendous current drain... I believe it could handle 70C... It was a 2000mAh pack if I recall correctly, meaning it could discharge at 140 amps without damage!!! My charger used a temperature sensor that would sense the temperature of the battery during charging and if it detected the temperature rising too fast it would stop charging to prevent any serious issues.... I always made a habit of making sure the cells were above the safe minimum before charging and always placed them in the middle of my slate pool table during charging figuring worst case scenario if the worst happened it would just burn the felt on my table which was easily replaced... One night I was in a hurry to get to bed... It was very late and I wasn't paying nearly as much attention as I should have... Because of the "safety measures" I employed I never thought twice about letting a pack charge over night or while I was away...

That night I made a mistake... First, the pack had been discharged for a while, and I didn't check it first... So I'm 99% positive it was below the 3v per cell minimum... Secondly, when I hooked up the charger I didn't notice that the temperature probe had come a little lose from the charger and despite it having a warning flag on the screen I paid no attention to it...

I just went to bed....

Until about 2 hours later when I woke up to the smoke alarm going off and a toxic stench lingering in the air... I ran out of the bedroom to invesitgate and found the entire house filled with terrible acrid smoke... When I made my way to the billiard room I saw what could best be described as a firework display... It looked like one of those ground fountains had been set off right in the middle of the pool table... Streams of sparks and molten metal spewing out...

I yanked the cord from the charger and started opening the windows... When the smoke had cleared and the fireworks had ceased I investigated... The entire felt top had been burned away... Molten metal had spewed everywhere... Even beyond the confines of the 9ft tournament table and down around the sides... Chunks of metal had burned holes into the carpet....

It was my own stupidity... and I learned a very valuable lesson that night... Even when you think you're being safe, you probably aren't... Thankfully I did have it on that pool table... if it hadn't been there is no doubt it would have set fire to whatever was near it... the whole scenario could have turned out very differently... I think about that night every time I plug in a charger with 18650s or even my old ego sticks... Protected or not crap happens... even under the safest of conditions... So I always charge when I'm near by... and always try to be as safe as possible... I now have a "crock pot" that I sit my charger in during charging... Just in case... cause you just never know when the worst might happen!!!

Wow that's quite an unfortunate experience, thanks for taking the time to share that. A real eye opener indeed! I will be careful to only charge the battery when I'm near it during the daytime.

Glor
 

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OK, you're totally confusing the issue here. I don't think this is helpful.

The OP is using the charger that was supplied with his e-cigarette, and only wants to know if he can use a wall->USB adapter to run it.

Not really confusing. It was using an e-cig usb charger with an iPhone wall adapter (the combination of those two things) that led to house fires in the UK.
You can choose to believe it, or not. It happened. It shouldn't have.

Glor ( the O.P.) understands what I am saying.

Why so hard hitting? I am just trying to bring an issue to someone's attention.
 

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Not really confusing. It was using an e-cig usb charger with an iPhone wall adapter (the combination of those two things) that led to house fires in the UK.
You can choose to believe it, or not. It happened. It shouldn't have.

Glor ( the O.P.) understands what I am saying.

Why so hard hitting? I am just trying to bring an issue to someone's attention.

Do you have a link that you can share. All of the fires I'm aware of are caused by the battery not a wall adapter.
 

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Look at his item on fasttech:

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USB Charger Adapter for Electronic Cigarette (Diameter-9.2mm)510 connector

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I suspect that is not a charger at all but a 510 to usb adapter which output the 5 volts from the usb port.
 
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