Man Severely Injured After eCigarette Blows Up In His Face

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Except I don't hold the lithium batteries for my laptop, my weedeater, or my drill ----- up close to my face.


Silly or not-----There's a part of me that, first time I saw a 26650 battery in a mechanical, it was so heavy and big......I instinctively thought to myself: I do not want to be using this.

Seems like kaboom! with a 10440 battery versus a 26650 would be somewhat different. I can see how the vents would get closed off pretty quickly in a big batt meltdown, a tiny hole in bottom of a tube mod isn't going to give much "protection".

From what I remember reading from the Battery University, the bigger the battery the better. Of course this was 3 years ago so it may be a bit foggy. Do cell phones not contain li ion batteries?
 
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Well I'll make sure to not get two of the same tank (always been a silly concept IMO) and yeah I stick with regulated but like I said I have considered a fuhattan before. Are they dangerous?

Short answer?
Yes. All mods are dangerous.
Don't take this wrong but you need to learn about how a mechanical works (not just how to push the button, the concept of the device) and actually understand battery safety before buying a mechanical.

Once you understand what's happening, the risk is greatly minimized.

A mechanical in the hands of an educated vaper is much less dangerous than a regulated device with a Chinese chip.
 

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Well I'll make sure to not get two of the same tank (always been a silly concept IMO) and yeah I stick with regulated but like I said I have considered a fuhattan before. Are they dangerous?

Not familiar with it, but looking at a pic of the bottom button, I don't see an insulator on the ring the battery sits on. The Panasonic CGR18650CH is one of the batteries that has no wrapper on the bottom. Put one of those in there, and you will have an instant short when you screw the base on.

Anytime you have a bottom button that does not have an insulator ring where the battery sits, the only thing between safe and a dead short is that thin little plastic battery wrapper. It would only take a small burr or piece of metal on that ring to scratch its way through the wrapper and make contact. I have boatloads of Caravela's, and they're built that way too. You just have to make sure every time before you screw them together, that you've checked that all is well.
 

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I was always under the impression that a regulated mod would not allow the battery to be pushed beyond the amp limits
Can't wait to get my first unregulated mod that's in the mail w/o mosfed dual 26650 parallel 50amp batts I only build around .1-.2 buy the battery drain calculator it's safe

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Fixed battery Regulated mods like the mvp and isticks are designed around the particular battery that the manufacturer puts in it.
But for replaceable battery mods, the mod does not know what battery you have put inside it, so it's up to the user to put in a good battery that can supply the max that the mod can draw.
So if you are using one of the older 15 watt mods like the vamo5, svd, vtr, etc you can get away with a 5 amp battery; but for somebody using a 30 watt mod, you'd want at least a 10 amp battery, preferably 20.
 

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Short answer?
Yes. All mods are dangerous.
Don't take this wrong but you need to learn about how a mechanical works (not just how to push the button, the concept of the device) and actually understand battery safety before buying a mechanical.

Once you understand what's happening, the risk is greatly minimized.

A mechanical in the hands of an educated vaper is much less dangerous than a regulated device with a Chinese chip.

I can't agree with that. I think even the Provari has a Chinese chip. Do ANY of them actually have a chipset made in America? I doubt it..
Besides, it isn't the chip that'll make or break ya, it's the circuit protection.
 

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Short answer?
Yes. All mods are dangerous.
Don't take this wrong but you need to learn about how a mechanical works (not just how to push the button, the concept of the device) and actually understand battery safety before buying a mechanical.

Once you understand what's happening, the risk is greatly minimized.

A mechanical in the hands of an educated vaper is much less dangerous than a regulated device with a Chinese chip.
Oops I have a regulated mod with a Chinese chip lol. I used to run a k100. And only ran a nautilus on it with a fuse. I understand ohms law. Think I'm pretty covered
 

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Sorry, but "why" is not what news should report. Investigation of causes is not their task (and they are not trained for it). Do not blame someone without need.
The poster was expressing angst at sensationalism. For which, I agree regardless how incompetent a reporter is or what falls within the realm of their duties.

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Another nail in the vaping coffin..:cry:

Why, You do not shut down an automotive industry due to a Defective manufactured design.
Highly likely a poor Battery choice<<<<<< or build defect. He had likely been using the unit previous and all seemed fine.
You warn/regulate/LABEL battery usage<then it will still happen -darwin>

The Way I understand it is unregulated is safe so long as you're not stupid and don't go past the capacity of the amps of the battery


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As long as you have been Educated

While I would love to sit here and debate the stupidity of the Human race as a whole, I feel bad for this kid.
He was Vaping, not smoking.
He Had a Job.
He took a break to enjoy his vape and was taken down like being hit by a Sniper.

Had someone at any point taken a bit of time to educate him this may have never happened.

Did he order online or was it a B&M - either way, Vendors should take some responsibility.
Local B&M ask the customer their level of experience and be alert to the way they answer, not just the answer. Some will not want to seem inexperienced.
Online Vendors - a small Warning paper Rubber banded to the battery or container.

Take a minute to make life a little simpler and safer as well as covering your .....
 

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Fixed battery Regulated mods like the mvp and isticks are designed around the particular battery that the manufacturer puts in it.
But for replaceable battery mods, the mod does not know what battery you have put inside it, so it's up to the user to put in a good battery that can supply the max that the mod can draw.
So if you are using one of the older 15 watt mods like the vamo5, svd, vtr, etc you can get away with a 5 amp battery; but for somebody using a 30 watt mod, you'd want at least a 10 amp battery, preferably 20.
Fantastic point!
Short answer?
Yes. All mods are dangerous.
Don't take this wrong but you need to learn about how a mechanical works (not just how to push the button, the concept of the device) and actually understand battery safety before buying a mechanical.

Once you understand what's happening, the risk is greatly minimized.

A mechanical in the hands of an educated vaper is much less dangerous than a regulated device with a Chinese chip.
Bravo! Standing ovation.
From what I remember reading from the Battery University, the bigger the battery the better. Of course this was 3 years ago so it may be a bit foggy. Do cell phones not contain li ion batteries?
Yes

And bigger current handling equals bigger safety margin, always.

Though... double and triple check anything on batt U. Please. For your own sake.

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I can't agree with that. I think even the Provari has a Chinese chip. Do ANY of them actually have a chipset made in America? I doubt it..
Besides, it isn't the chip that'll make or break ya, it's the circuit protection.
I agree with it.

My provari failed.

I feel safer with a mech in my hand than a provari in my moms.

His statements still stands IMO.

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I agree with it.

My provari failed.

I feel safer with a mech in my hand than a provari in my moms.

His statements still stands IMO.

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Really? Wow, that would be the first I've heard of a Provari failing and venting a battery. I've had a lot of regulated, and never had a problem and I've shorted twice now in a mech despite being cautious (OK, I didn't realize about the wrapperless bottom on the Panny's but I learned REAL quick).

Now that you mention it though, there has been a LOT of problems with cheap regulateds autofiring and such. I guess my faith in regulated mods is actually somewhat unfounded. Crap, and I'm putting a IPV4s with serial 18650's to my face.. :eek:
 
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The trouble I'm having here is a fairly basic visual observation.
For one of these fine gentleman, his teeth are missing in the front. Fair enough right?
Then another photo of another supposed issue, the tongue is torched in the middle, as well as the lips. Fair again.

I'm working it through my head as to what it would take to push through the center of the hybrid cap, which is enclosed with a generally, stainless steel plug of the tank, through the chimney and up through the driptip and scorch the tongue.

Not so much for me guy's sorry not buying it.

Do smart people do dumb things when they have no clue what they're doing? Yup, each minute of each day.
Is battery technology ahead of itself, yup sure is.
Is running a near dead short device with amperage enough to send a craft rocket to the top of the atmosphere next to your face sound intelligent? Not so much.

Will any regulation, law, or even a slap on the pee pee protect any or all of us from being in the way of the destructive side of life? By no means, don't kid yourselves.
 

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Really? Wow, that would be the first I've heard of a Provari failing and venting a battery. I've had a lot of regulated, and never had a problem and I've shorted twice now in a mech despite being cautious (OK, I didn't realize about the wrapperless bottom on the Panny's but I learned REAL quick).

Now that you mention it though, there has been a LOT of problems with cheap regulateds autofiring and such. I guess my faith in regulated mods is actually somewhat unfounded. Crap, and I'm putting a IPV4s with serial 18650's to my face.. :eek:
Didn't vent the battery thank goodness. But it did fail. We sent it in and had it serviced. It's been good ever since.

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The trouble I'm having here is a fairly basic visual observation.
For one of these fine gentleman, his teeth are missing in the front. Fair enough right?
Then another photo of another supposed issue, the tongue is torched in the middle, as well as the lips. Fair again.

I'm working it through my head as to what it would take to push through the center of the hybrid cap, which is enclosed with a generally, stainless steel plug of the tank, through the chimney and up through the driptip and scorch the tongue.

Not so much for me guy's sorry not buying it.

Do smart people do dumb things when they have no clue what they're doing? Yup, each minute of each day.
Is battery technology ahead of itself, yup sure is.
Is running a near dead short device with amperage enough to send a craft rocket to the top of the atmosphere next to your face sound intelligent? Not so much.

Will any regulation, law, or even a slap on the pee pee protect any or all of us from being in the way of the destructive side of life? By no means, don't kid yourselves.
Can't speak for the next guy, but a stern whacking of the tally is going to stop me dead in my tracks every time.

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Fwiw, here is a pic of the firing button on the Skeleton Key. Note the lack of insulator on the bottom ring:

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