Man shares why he feels disposables are dangerous and are addicting non vapers/smokers

[SonnyCrack]

I came across this video in my recommendations for some reason... He makes a compelling case and shares his experience with his father and grandfather dying from cigarettes and his distain for them. He didn't/doesn't like vaping as he has friends that he thinks it annoying.. It's worth a full watch because I think we still live in the past a little and now that vaping has been here about 13 years - we have to realize that there are people (not sure how many) that never smoked, never would smoke but somehow ended up addicted to nicotine..



I'm not really how I feel about what he's said and I'm going to give it more thought. I figured I'd bring it here could give an opinion on it..

 

[Izan]

I came across this video in my recommendations for some reason... He makes a compelling case and shares his experience with his father and grandfather dying from cigarettes and his distain for them. He didn't/doesn't like vaping as he has friends that he thinks it annoying.. It's worth a full watch because I think we still live in the past a little and now that vaping has been here about 13 years - we have to realize that there are people (not sure how many) that never smoked, never would smoke but somehow ended up addicted to nicotine..



I'm not really how I feel about what he's said and I'm going to give it more thought. I figured I'd bring it here could give an opinion on it..

Poor guy!
I wonder if he has been able to kick his debilitating Diet Coke "ADDICTION"?



Cheers
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[Nermal]

Poor guy!
I wonder if he has been able to kick his debilitating Diet Coke "ADDICTION"?

Cheers
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Thank you! I was still trying to find the right words. By the way, I didn't make it to the end of the vid.

 

[Territoo]

Poor guy!
I wonder if he has been able to kick his debilitating Diet Coke "ADDICTION"?



Cheers
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Don't laugh. I had a 4-6 can diet soda a day addiction until I managed to switch to water with flavor enhancers. I still will have an occasional diet soda. I wasn't as bad as this lady though,

British Woman Addicted to Diet Coke Drank 50 Cans a Day | The Fix

 

[Z-Lee]

I wouldn't call this compelling. He just explained over the course of 11:28, the parameters by which he personally justifies things as right and wrong. Also, a lack of understanding or application of how normalization relates to our own human behaviors - we can just call this ignorance or a lack of personal honesty and awareness. Couple this with his loose justification parameters and he has nobody else to blame but himself. His own denial of his true "identity" is what allowed him to become addicted by way of these justifications.

"I can vape this disposable, and still not be considered a nicotine user."

"Okay, I'll just buy one more disposable - but I'm still not a nicotine user though."

"Blaaaah, if I just buy this case of disposables, I can save so much money - I just have to make sure I don't increase my current usage. Cuz right now, I'm not a nicotine user."

"Okay, the last case of disposables I bought went fine. I'll just buy another and keep the same tempo of usage. I wasn't a nicotine user then, which means I'm still not a nicotine user now."

"Okay, so maybe I am a slight nicotine user. But, at least I'm not using one of those huge mods with those huge tanks on them - that's what the real nicotine users use."

This is pure dishonesty. Sure, it's to himself so nobody else is hurt from it, but he's projecting this failure onto something other than himself.

I wouldn't trust this guy with a stick of gum.

 

[Javichu]

Don't laugh. I had a 4-6 can diet soda a day addiction until I managed to switch to water with flavor enhancers. I still will have an occasional diet soda. I wasn't as bad as this lady though,

British Woman Addicted to Diet Coke Drank 50 Cans a Day | The Fix

Much worst in my case...

Who you see in this website is a facade..an illusion a mirage if you will,i have deceived you all.

*hides face in shame*

I am addicted to:

Spoiler: CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK

Season 3 of Dawson's Creek,it's when Joey and Pacey get together

There i said it,the problems...the sleepless nights,my shortcomings...the struggle is real.

P.S: Not a joke post,must have watched season 3 like 100 times

 

[SonnyCrack]

I dunno if I'm shocked or not surprised by the comments.. I say that with all honestly that although nicotine in and of itself is harmless (physically), it's a fact that you are far more controlled by it than caffeine or any other "harmless" addiction. Try quitting it for 24 hours.

I think we all gotta step outside of ourselves sometimes and look at our on behavior and see how abnormal we actually are and how the rest of the world see's us as well.. It's certainly not normal - it's scientific fact that nicotine is one of if not the most addictive substances on the planet and it'd be better if we never were exposed to it at all.

PS - Go look through all the comments and see how many others got addicted the same exact way. I'm sure the inventor of e-cigs would be horrified (as I am) that non smokers are getting sucked into nicotine addiction.

 

[Javichu]

I dunno if I'm shocked or not surprised by the comments.. I say that with all honestly that although nicotine in and of itself is harmless (physically), it's a fact that you are far more controlled by it than caffeine or any other "harmless" addiction. Try quitting it for 24 hours.

I think we all gotta step outside of ourselves sometimes and look at our on behavior and see how abnormal we actually are and how the rest of the world see's us as well.. It's certainly not normal - it's scientific fact that nicotine is one of if not the most addictive substances on the planet and it'd be better if we never were exposed to it at all.

PS - Go look through all the comments and see how many others got addicted the same exact way. I'm sure the inventor of e-cigs would be horrified (as I am) that non smokers are getting sucked into nicotine addiction.

Thanks for calling me ''abnormal'' preacher man,you going to pass the collection plate?
Think the Church's roof needs some repairs.

Cheers

 

[SonnyCrack]

Thanks for calling me ''abnormal'' preacher man,you going to pass the collection plate?
Think the Church's roof needs some repairs.

Cheers

Ok - quit for a day and then tell me how normal you are. That's something I haven't been able to accomplish in 29 years so maybe you are more normal than myself.

 

[Z-Lee]

I dunno if I'm shocked or not surprised by the comments.. I say that with all honestly that although nicotine in and of itself is harmless (physically), it's a fact that you are far more controlled by it than caffeine or any other "harmless" addiction. Try quitting it for 24 hours.

I think we all gotta step outside of ourselves sometimes and look at our on behavior and see how abnormal we actually are and how the rest of the world see's us as well.. It's certainly not normal - it's scientific fact that nicotine is one of if not the most addictive substances on the planet and it'd be better if we never were exposed to it at all.

PS - Go look through all the comments and see how many others got addicted the same exact way. I'm sure the inventor of e-cigs would be horrified (as I am) that non smokers are getting sucked into nicotine addiction.

I smoked for about 15 years. Every so often I'd stop smoking for a month or two, just to prove to myself that I was still in control of my cigarette usage. It's purely mental discipline. Did I have withdrawals? Did I feel anxious when I didn't have a cig in my hand when I normally do? While driving? Standing outside waiting on break without smoking? Of course, but I'm stubborn and I fully commit to my intended commitments. Anything short of this is purely a lack of discipline. People will not die if they stop smoking, they simply have not found a reason great enough, to justify the stoppage of use. Like in the video, even people who have developed terminal illness due to smoking, have not found a reason great enough to stop. The real damage is already done, why stop when I'm already in the grave? All of this is a sliding spectrum of justification. Some worse than others. The will to give in requires much less effort and discipline than not giving in, and when you haven't found a reason great enough to not give in, why not give in?

 

[SonnyCrack]

I smoked for about 15 years. Every so often I'd stop smoking for a month or two, just to prove to myself that I was still in control of my cigarette usage. It's purely mental discipline. Did I have withdrawals? Did I feel anxious when I didn't have a cig in my hand when I normally do? While driving? Standing outside waiting on break without smoking? Of course, but I'm stubborn and I fully commit to my intended commitments. Anything short of this is purely a lack of discipline. People will not die if they stop smoking, they simply have not found a reason great enough, to justify the stoppage of use. Like in the video, even people who have developed terminal illness due to smoking, have not found a reason great enough to stop. The real damage is already done, why stop when I'm already in the grave? All of this is a sliding spectrum of justification. Some worse than others. The will to give in requires much less effort and discipline than not giving in, and when you haven't found a reason great enough to not give in, why not give in?

Very thoughtful reply - one of the things that really stood out to me in the video about disposables specifically is that is buying one does not make you a USER, it's disposable... What I thought about is when I started (and most started) smoking cigarettes.. I remember it took me quite a while before I actually bought my own cigarettes.. I'd bum them off of others not because I couldn't afford it, but because I didn't want to be considered a "smoker". That's when of course I'd only smoke when I was drinking or socializing....ect.. My gateway to daily addiction were actually Black N Mild cigars, it started with 1 or 2 a day, then 5-6 a day, then my dumb 18 year old brain said - these cigars are far worse for you then cigarettes with a filter, you should start smoking cigarettes to be healthier.. And here I am almost 30 years later making the same justifications. I say all of this and say I enjoy vaping, I'm addicted to nicotine and have no plans to quit. Maybe it'll change.. I always try to be as self aware as possible.

 

[Z-Lee]

And btw, I'm not calling people weak for being addicted to nicotine. They just haven't found their own reason great enough to stop. They probably never will. Maybe it's the one thing they look forward to, every single day. Are we going to take that away from them? No. But that battle is their own and is well within their control if they decide they want to confront it one day.

 

[SonnyCrack]

And btw, I'm not calling people weak for being addicted to nicotine. They just haven't found their own reason great enough to stop. They probably never will. Maybe it's the one thing they look forward to, every single day. Are we going to take that away from them? No. But that battle is their own and is well within their control if they decide they want to confront it one day.

I think with me it involves a lot of justification.. I say (with good reason) to myself that it's 95% less harmful, it's not any big deal, atleast I'm not smoking anymore.. on and on but I think really it's avoidance of any discomfort.. Ever since I started working at home last year - my vaping has went way up - went from around 10 mls a day of 18mg to almost 30... I clearing my throat a lot more than previous so it's obvious I need to come up with an action plan to reduce it.. I even went as so far as thinking - well, you should just use 50mg salts (i've never tried salts as I hear they are more addicting) and surely that will reduce my intake... The tried and true way is to reduce the nicotine gradually to zero, vaping DOES have an offramp - like you said the battle is my own.. Perhaps someday I'll figure it out, I don't like the idea of my 2 young children seeing dad vaping all day everyday - I would truly be upset if I saw either of them pick up the habit in the future.

 

[Z-Lee]

Very thoughtful reply - one of the things that really stood out to me in the video about disposables specifically is that is buying one does not make you a USER, it's disposable... What I thought about is when I started (and most started) smoking cigarettes.. I remember it took me quite a while before I actually bought my own cigarettes.. I'd bum them off of others not because I couldn't afford it, but because I didn't want to be considered a "smoker". That's when of course I'd only smoke when I was drinking or socializing....ect.. My gateway to daily addiction were actually Black N Mild cigars, it started with 1 or 2 a day, then 5-6 a day, then my dumb 18 year old brain said - these cigars are far worse for you then cigarettes with a filter, you should start smoking cigarettes to be healthier.. And here I am almost 30 years later making the same justifications. I say all of this and say I enjoy vaping, I'm addicted to nicotine and have no plans to quit. Maybe it'll change.. I always try to be as self aware as possible.

I also started this way. And in the same fashion, this is how I stopped as well - bumming/buying cigs from others. I knew if I had a whole pack to myself, that I would smoke them all. So by not having them, I couldn't always just turn and grab a smoke quick. In the beginning, my step up from social smoking turned into "taking a smoke break" while I studied in college. Hours upon hours of calculus and physics and programming... I started telling myself "okay, smoke break time." That became my 15 minutes of relief. Then it really kicked in high gear when I joined the Army. "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!" In fact, if you didn't smoke - often times you weren't allowed to go on break. So why wouldn't I? For me, it was never really about being considered a smoker or not being considered a smoker - I guess I've never really cared much about how people perceived me. When I was in my younger teens, my Mom told me if she ever found out I smoked, she would kick me out of the house. I lived on my own when I joined the Army, so my Mom really didn't know until I started smoking when I'd come home to visit her and my Dad. She never said anything about it.

Later down the road, I realized after having looked back, that all of these reasons I smoked was purely justified by myself in some way. I can blame it on stress, or needing a break, or what else am I gonna do while I'm driving to pass the time. The association just needs to broken - and that to me was always the hardest part. The developed habits and rituals. Getting up in the morning, being at a party, drinking, relaxing outside, driving, stress management, going to bed at night. If our coping mechanism continues to be cigarettes, then it is sure to never stop.

 

[Javichu]

I see vaping as the lesser of two evils.
Would i rather have cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis or just vape?

Yeah i will stick to vaping.
Already took coffee out of my life so this is the only thing i got left.
Is it 100% healthy? nope.
Do i care? nope
Life isn't worth living unless you indulge yourself with a special pleasure.

 

[Z-Lee]

I think with me it involves a lot of justification.. I say (with good reason) to myself that it's 95% less harmful, it's not any big deal, atleast I'm not smoking anymore.. on and on but I think really it's avoidance of any discomfort.. Ever since I started working at home last year - my vaping has went way up - went from around 10 mls a day of 18mg to almost 30... I clearing my throat a lot more than previous so it's obvious I need to come up with an action plan to reduce it.. I even went as so far as thinking - well, you should just use 50mg salts (i've never tried salts as I hear they are more addicting) and surely that will reduce my intake... The tried and true way is to reduce the nicotine gradually to zero, vaping DOES have an offramp - like you said the battle is my own.. Perhaps someday I'll figure it out, I don't like the idea of my 2 young children seeing dad vaping all day everyday - I would truly be upset if I saw either of them pick up the habit in the future.

Quite honestly man, you're already half way there. The first half of the battle is self-reflection, being aware, and being truthful to yourself - you're already there. The second half is consciously carrying that awareness around with you and telling yourself no. Taking it upon yourself to say no. Prepare yourself when you're about to go some place where you know you're going to crave a cigarette, and tell yourself no. Being able to drink and still be able to say no (good luck with that, lol). Those habits need to be broken so those mental triggers of euphoria disappear when the idea of a cigarette pops in your head.

I attended a wedding last summer. I was with a bunch of my college buddies, and my friend Sam had been drinking and turns and says to me "Hey, let's go smoke. You got any on you?" Of course I didn't, just a vape. He took a couple of draws, started coughing, and said "Nope, let's go to the store." So we walked to the nearest gas station and I bought a pack of cigarettes. He also went by the policy of not buying or having cigarettes btw. Anyway, I popped out of the gas station and we each lit one up right there. For old times' sake. The taste was so awful. Even he said it tasted like someone's azzhole, and I asked him how he knew what that tasted like. The end.

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But anyway, those 18 cigarettes sat in car for 6 months. Center console, in full view. Anytime I wanted to set anything in the cupholders, or plug in my bluetooth car adapter, there they sat. Never a single temptation to smoke one. I ended up giving them to a coworker who asked me if I had one. I told him I had 18, but that they were probably pretty dry. He happily took them. If you were to rewind the clock and I was still in tune with smoking in the car, you can almost be sure that those cigs would be gone. That mental stimulus/connection no longer exists. It's not easy by any means, but you can do it if you dedicate yourself to it.

 

[SonnyCrack]

I see vaping as the lesser of two evils.
Would i rather have cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis or just vape?

Yeah i will stick to vaping.
Already took coffee out of my life so this is the only thing i got left.
Is it 100% healthy? nope.
Do i care? nope
Life isn't worth living unless you indulge yourself with a special pleasure.

I agree with everything said - this post isn't to be confrontational more as thought provoking.. It really goes to the point that there are a considerable amount of people that would have NEVER started smoking cigarettes for various reasons but now - they are addicted to vaping.. I think it's an unintended consequence....

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

The longest 12 minutes I have ever experienced right there. Very hard stick through it, but I did it. He epitomizes exactly why I avoid vloggers on youtube.

This guy has identity issues, which is common in young folks and older folks who don't socially mature well. He's also a philosophical train wreck.

Nothing about his problems are nicotine or vape related. Whatever his friends are doing, he will try to identify with that and will find issue with it due to his inability to see the actual underlying problem and correct that instead.

 

[tj99959]

Trust me, without nicotine in my system you would not like me!!
I become an instant azz.
I only have one Q' for the guy in the vid.
What do you do with a disposable when it dies?!?
How do you "Field dress" a disposable e-cig?!?
Above is what I toss in the trash at the end of the month!!

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I say that with all honestly that although nicotine in and of itself is harmless (physically), it's a fact that you are far more controlled by it than caffeine or any other "harmless" addiction. Try quitting it for 24 hours.

I was in a 'mental institute' a few years ago for 5 or 6 days. During that time I did not have my vape or even use the nicotine patches they supplied. I had no urges or 'feelings of need' or anything for a toke off my vape for the time I spent there. Also during that time, I drank 2 or 3 cups of coffee a day. One day I didn't have any coffee. I had a headache that night when I went to bed.