Maybe it's NOT the liquid. Maybe it's the ProTank?!

[Jonathan Tittle]

When it comes to building and re-building, many prefer not to go through the hassle, but I will say this: it's where the flavor and experience is at.

vaping can be compared to building computers or cars. Sure, you can buy a stock Dell or Ford and it may work great for you, just as you can buy an eGO starter kit and it'll get the job done, but if you want more and if you want something better, DIY (Do/Doing It Yourself) is where it's at.

DIY takes time and has a learning curve, but doesn't everything?

 

[Butters78]

Plus the hobby aspect of it is fun for me. Keeps my mind and hands busy so I won't get into mischief Lolz.

When it comes to building and re-building, many prefer not to go through the hassle, but I will say this: it's where the flavor and experience is at.

Vaping can be compared to building computers or cars. Sure, you can buy a stock Dell or Ford and it may work great for you, just as you can buy an eGO starter kit and it'll get the job done, but if you want more and if you want something better, DIY (Do/Doing It Yourself) is where it's at.

DIY takes time and has a learning curve, but doesn't everything?

 

[WCSR]

Plus the hobby aspect of it is fun for me. Keeps my mind and hands busy so I won't get into mischief Lolz.

An idle mind is the Butters' playground...

 

[Butters78]

An idle mind is the Butters' playground...

Lmao you got that right brother!

 

[ScottM]

I start taking things around the house apart when I get bored. They go back together, but my wife sure gets nervous during the process. TV. Lawnmowers. Cars. Anything is fair game.

 

[jfango]

I believe that way too many newbs have it in their mind that coils should last for weeks.....so when the flavor has long since departed because of a gunked up coil, they start looking for a scapegoat.....and blame it on the equipment! If they'd quit being a cheapskate and pop in a new coil they'd see what they've been missing for days on end.....lol.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

I believe that way too many newbs have it in their mind that coils should last for weeks.....so when the flavor has long since departed because of a gunked up coil, they start looking for a scapegoat.....and blame it on the equipment! If they'd quit being a cheapskate and pop in a new coil they'd see what they've been missing for days on end.....lol.

And many new to vaping don't understand the differences between liquids (light, dark, sweetened, sweetened with sugar, chemically enhanced etc). You can be cheap and get great performance, but cheap comes with DIY, not buying replacement coil heads .

With 100' of Kanthal coming in at $6 (shipping included) and a bag of cotton for $2-$3 or less, it costs pennies to rebuild.

 

[jefsview]

Kanger T2's perform better than the Protanks. I have 3 Protanks collecting dust, yet all of my T2 are filled and actively vaped along with my iClears.

The Protanks, to me, are too inconsistent. But you know, that's just me.

 

[vang0gh]

I had a love hate relationship with ProTanks. When they worked right they tasted great and had the added bonus of being dead simple to maintain. However, more often than not I was getting some variation of funky flavors out of the thing. So, finally I just gave up on them for something with a bit more consistency.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Kanger T2's perform better than the Protanks. I have 3 Protanks collecting dust, yet all of my T2 are filled and actively vaped along with my iClears.

The Protanks, to me, are too inconsistent. But you know, that's just me.

Not having to rely on a vanity ring does have it's perks . I tend to favor my TS3's and the MT3S BCC tanks as of late. They may not be as solid, in terms of being Pyrex, but I don't have to worry about losing a small screw on piece, or taking it on and off when I want to make a flavor switch with another tank.

 

[itsmedave]

I've discovered that since moving to VV/VW APV's, I enjoy the ProTanks now. Before, I tried to run them on eGo 650's and was frustrated. Since I have a better more power, they tend to work better for me. I know it's YMMV, but that's what I've noticed.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I believe that way too many newbs have it in their mind that coils should last for weeks.....so when the flavor has long since departed because of a gunked up coil, they start looking for a scapegoat.....and blame it on the equipment! If they'd quit being a cheapskate and pop in a new coil they'd see what they've been missing for days on end.....lol.

"Weeks"? I am talking about within a single freakin' session, or one tank's worth and it's "yuck.". Hell, I think too many new vapers think that what they buy should work as advertised. They're so naive. <------ sarcasm

 

[Claudia P]

"Weeks"? I am talking about within a single freakin' session, or one tank's worth and it's "yuck.". Hell, I think too many new vapers think that what they buy should work as advertised. They're so naive. <------ sarcasm

Yes, like right out of the box with very muted flavor and I HAVE replaced the head with no difference and I am using it first on an itazte using different settings, and now a SID with the exact same results. I have done everything suggested except try to rebuild a coil or rewick and while those things may solve the problem they aren't possible for everyone to do. Try this again when you become old and arthritic and tell me how easy it is to do. Just trying to take the head apart resulted in the bottom screw being lost within seconds and I certainly can afford to be killing heads cause I can't maneuver my old arthritic fingers well enough. Sorry if I sound a bit sarcastic but I feel as if I'm being talked down to by a few.

 

[KjAthena]

I have yet to have to replace a coil on my protanks, I rinse with hot water after every tank..and do a vodka soak once a week...I have never removed a flavor wick or done a dry burn either...6 weeks and still vaping strong...only 1 dry hit ever, no burned,rubber,nasty tastes ever. I guess I have just been lucky

I get great flavor even with subtle flavors like those AiV puts out...I like the cooler airy draw...and if I want a harder hit it is easy to block one or two air holes...I use them on my twists normally at about 3.8

 

[Claudia P]

I have yet to have to replace a coil on my protanks, I rinse with hot water after every tank..and do a vodka soak once a week...I have never removed a flavor wick or done a dry burn either...6 weeks and still vaping strong...only 1 dry hit ever, no burned,rubber,nasty tastes ever. I guess I have just been lucky

I get great flavor even with subtle flavors like those AiV puts out...I like the cooler airy draw...and if I want a harder hit it is easy to block one or two air holes...I use them on my twists normally at about 3.8

I haven't done the vodka soak simply because I live in a dry county and haven't had a chance to make the trek to Chattanooga since I've started vaping, when I can get down there I will get some and I will soak.
I'm not getting any bad tastes at all I simply have had nothing but muted flavor from the get go, I put on a different head to see if that was the problem and it didn't make any difference. Tons of vapor, no flavor, and I have yet to vape one entire tank out of it. I have tried every wattage from 5 to 11 and the only difference is in vapor production.

Same juice same battery with same settings and a T3S or I 16 and it's perfect. It's not awful, but the flavor isn't as good as the I 16 and T3S so I don't think I'll spring for the new one. It may well be the juices I use just aren't as intense, who knows.

It may well be that the PT just isn't right for me because I am not going to build my own coils and do my own wicking and that's fine, but it would be better to tell people up front that you need to DIY to get the great stuff it is capable of.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yes, like right out of the box with very muted flavor and I HAVE replaced the head with no difference and I am using it first on an itazte using different settings, and now a SID with the exact same results. I have done everything suggested except try to rebuild a coil or rewick and while those things may solve the problem they aren't possible for everyone to do. Try this again when you become old and arthritic and tell me how easy it is to do. Just trying to take the head apart resulted in the bottom screw being lost within seconds and I certainly can't afford to be killing heads cause I can't maneuver my old arthritic fingers well enough. Sorry if I sound a bit sarcastic but I feel as if I'm being talked down to by a few.

I get it. People see words on a screen and sometimes think the other people behind them have the same existence. It's simply not the case. If you say, "that's out of the question; that won't work for me," the next statement should be, "let's find something that will work for you," not, "if I can do it, you can."

 

[KjAthena]

Claudia P, I understand as I have no intention of rebuilding coils myself due to issues with seeing things that small. One thing you may wish to try that is super easy to improve the draw is to use a small piece of dental floss to cover 2 or the 3 air holes...my daughter does that as she prefers a less airy draw. I found that I do not like top coil atty's...so it just may be a matter of preference.

 

[Gahh]

I'd agree, especially with muted with stock anything on a protank, 1 or 2.

I've found though, that after I've rebuilt it with a microcoil and cotton wick that it makes a world of difference. Once you get a wrap that works well and a wick that's the right amount to pull in enough juice but not enough to flood (takes some practice), I'd put it right up there with most of the RBAs I've used. It's not anywhere near as good as an RDA, but it's a lot more convenient to me. The difference in quality makes me wonder why there aren't replacement coils on the market that are already set up like this, from Kanger or 3rd party.

I tend to run a 10 wrap of 28ga Kanthal A1 at ~1.3Ω

I've found rebuilding the coil/wick , using different types of cotton, ( yarn, butchers twine, gauze) makes a big difference in the performance on all the bottom wicking cartos.
1.3 ohm is a bit to low to my liking. I prefer 1.9 - 2.0.

VAPE ON

 

[crxess]

I get it. People see words on a screen and sometimes think the other people behind them have the same existence. It's simply not the case. If you say, "that's out of the question; that won't work for me," the next statement should be, "let's find something that will work for you," not, "if I can do it, you can."

Sounds like a one sided set of opinions to me. Ones that only serve your purpose.

So If we should all find middle ground................Why have you decided for all others the ProTank is seriously flawed?

Seems to me it is the same old same old. some get it and some don't - no matter what the issue.

You say you use someone else Protank every time they come over, yet you are always dissatisfied. Then Why do it? Better yet, have you even asked what the heck what they have been doing to it?
Any clearo - top or Bottom Coil
Bad liquid consistancy or heavy blend
To much power
To little power
Trying to vape before primed properly
and so on.............Will perform POORLY.......Any Clearomizer, period.

The only one I have not been able to make satisfactory changes to is the Nano. The wick is sealed in the base of a non removable tube and can't be adjusted once assembled.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Sounds like a one sided set of opinions to me. Ones that only serve your purpose.

So If we should all find middle ground................Why have you decided for all others the ProTank is seriously flawed?

Seems to me it is the same old same old. some get it and some don't - no matter what the issue.

You say you use someone else Protank every time they come over, yet you are always dissatisfied. Then Why do it? Better yet, have you even asked what the heck what they have been doing to it?
Any clearo - top or Bottom Coil
Bad liquid consistancy or heavy blend
To much power
To little power
Trying to vape before primed properly
and so on.............Will perform POORLY.......Any Clearomizer, period.

The only one I have not been able to make satisfactory changes to is the Nano. The wick is sealed in the base of a non removable tube and can't be adjusted once assembled.

The premise behind my OP is that "Maybe it's NOT the liquid. Maybe it's the ProTank." Notice the "maybe" portion. And anyway, what I responded to with Claudia's post was to Claudia.


EDIT***You know what, I do think it sucks, but that's okay. I just want people to realize that "Maybe it's NOT the liquid. Maybe it's the ProTank?!" I never made a decision for anyone. Vape on.