Maybe time to try WTA again?

[Nate5700]

So I'm noticing something that may explain why I haven't been able to stick with vaping as opposed to other, less safe forms of nicotine intake. Maybe it's because I got really high nic juice (initially because I was trying to refill Juul pods) but I'm having trouble finding a "sweet spot" where I'm satisfied but not overdosed. I'm definitely going to step down on nic soon, maybe that will help (I just bought some DIY supplies but I might need to get some more commercial liquid since the DIY juice will have to steep for a bit). But even so, taking shorter puffs and trying not to overdo it, I can vape to where I don't really want to vape anymore, but I still feel irritable and a bit depressed.

In addition to vaping, I've been keeping snus around. And a funny thing happens when I use it, the irritability and depression go away. Now, it's obviously safer than smoking and it would be easy to continue to use it to supplement vaping, but I'd like to get away from it, it's not good for the teeth and gums, and you're supposed to be able to do it without spitting but I still get heartburn sometimes from swallowing the juice.

Suffice it to say that I'm convinced there are other things in tobacco besides nicotine that can be addictive. I think some people may have more trouble with it than others, as I'm sure many people on this forum can say that vaping has been sufficient for them to quit. My brain is a mess of a chemistry experiment (bipolar, depression, ADD...) so I'm not exactly surprised that I have more trouble.

I've tried WTA liquid before, and I remember it seeming more satisfying. I don't exactly remember why I didn't stick with it, maybe it was the expense of it in addition to other frustrations I was having with vaping. But this time around I think I've solved issues I had with hardware, so maybe it's time to try the WTA stuff again.

How do people feel about it? Have any of you had a similar experience to mine where vaping pure nicotine doesn't seem to be enough? Have you tried the WTA liquid? Did you like it?

 

[puffon]

Yes, It helped me to quit.
Due to cost, I used it a few months, then tapered off to regular nic.
I used Aroma pre-mixed.

 

[stols001]

I too used Aroma's WTA to quit. I've also used Umbavapes and Ohm's vapors (less expense, I respond favorably to it but not everyone does.) I still keep some around for stressful situations.

I'd say try it again, if you so desire. It probably will provide some of the alkaloids found in Snus, although perhaps at lower strength, so you might want to taper off the snus to make it easier. IDK. I've never tried snus, and WTA was not a magic cure all for cigarette detox but it sure helped a great deal.

Best of luck deciding!

Anna

 

[Doffy]

is the snus you are using swedish? far better, probably safer than american. use white portions to avoid dripping

but yes, i do vape WTA, and have multiple mental illnesses too. I DIY 50mg nic + 10mg WTA unflavoured at 50 watts

aroma is best in terms of sensation. liquid leaf was good, but seems defunct. Om vapors is good value, but you might need stronger than aroma. Have not tried umba vape, hear mixed things. Steer clear of mother's milk [IMO] it is snake oil with no synergy

 

[Nate5700]

is the snus you are using swedish? far better, probably safer than american. use white portions to avoid dripping

but yes, i do vape WTA, and have multiple mental illnesses too. I DIY 50mg nic + 10mg WTA unflavoured at 50 watts

Yes Swedish, can't stand the American stuff. QuikTrip carries General now so it isn't hard to get. I get white portions in the mint flavor usually.

Looks like I can get 36mg unflavored from Aroma, looked at some of the others and they're either out of stock or don't have unflavored. Not cheap. Does diluting it down with regular nic seem to work well? I may try it, could be more cost effective.

 

[Doffy]

Yes Swedish, can't stand the American stuff. QuikTrip carries General now so it isn't hard to get. I get white portions in the mint flavor usually.

Looks like I can get 36mg unflavored from Aroma, looked at some of the others and they're either out of stock or don't have unflavored. Not cheap. Does diluting it down with regular nic seem to work well? I may try it, could be more cost effective.

Most people do dilute and add regular nic.

 

[Nate5700]

Most people do dilute and add regular nic.

This will be what I try then. Probably start low and work up, just due to expense. When you say 50mg/10mg regular nic to WTA, I'm confused. You're mixing 50mg liquid with 10mg WTA liquid? What's the ratio, 50/50? I'm looking at 36mg WTA liquid and have 36mg unflavored nic base coming, so I'm just trying to get a sense of what the mix ratio should be.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Hello,

Lots of members just drip a few drops of the wta liquid into their tanks along with the ejuice they normally use. Not only would you use less(than making a whole recipe) but then you could tailor it to your needs.

Hope this helps a little.

 

[Doffy]

This will be what I try then. Probably start low and work up, just due to expense. When you say 50mg/10mg regular nic to WTA, I'm confused. You're mixing 50mg liquid with 10mg WTA liquid? What's the ratio, 50/50? I'm looking at 36mg WTA liquid and have 36mg unflavored nic base coming, so I'm just trying to get a sense of what the mix ratio should be.

to make 100 ml, i mix

50 ml x 100mg nic
25 ml x 36 wta
25 ml x VG

the majority of people appear to start around the 2.4 to 3.6 mg WTA in final mix, since early advice was always "try ten percent to start" then the remainder boosted with nic

more WTA will be more snus-like. Or more like mid-strength 8mg snus. The "extra strong" snus tends to boost with freebase from my understanding, so the ratio becomes more nic and less minor alkaloids

 

[stols001]

I also would caution against Mother's Milk WTA. It looked and tasted (and kind of acted like) well, dirt. I did use it, but honestly, it was hard to figure out what it was doing, it was so gross.

I think Umba/Ohm's potency is slightly lower (I think the companies are connected in some fashion) and Aroma's is probably the highest.

With Aroma, I just got the 24 wholesale and put like 1./2 a squirt in my tank to start. I mean, really, it probably would've been 0.5 ml in a 3 ml tank. That was enough to take the edge off, and then well, I was able to "taper" it, (it wasn't really exact) by adding less. You could certainly use it as an ingredient in DIY stuff, but I wasn't doing DIY then. I think you'd have more precision making your own mix, but I did just fine using small amounts of the wholesale in my tank, etc.

The nice thing about precision is you will be able to taper it once you feel you need less more precisely. I found Aroma's to have this faint "nutty" taste that wasn't unpleasant at all and blended in well with other juices I was using.

Best of luck with it.

Anna

 

[Nate5700]

to make 100 ml, i mix

50 ml x 100mg nic
25 ml x 36 wta
25 ml x VG

the majority of people appear to start around the 2.4 to 3.6 mg WTA in final mix, since early advice was always "try ten percent to start" then the remainder boosted with nic

more WTA will be more snus-like. Or more like mid-strength 8mg snus. The "extra strong" snus tends to boost with freebase from my understanding, so the ratio becomes more nic and less minor alkaloids

Ok. That works out to (roughly) 5:1 nic to WTA, if you were using equal strengths. That gives me somewhere to start.

I don't think I need something just like snus since I'm not using snus constantly while I'm vaping, so maybe that will work.

With Aroma, I just got the 24 wholesale and put like 1./2 a squirt in my tank to start. I mean, really, it probably would've been 0.5 ml in a 3 ml tank. That was enough to take the edge off, and then well, I was able to "taper" it, (it wasn't really exact) by adding less. You could certainly use it as an ingredient in DIY stuff, but I wasn't doing DIY then. I think you'd have more precision making your own mix, but I did just fine using small amounts of the wholesale in my tank, etc.

The nice thing about precision is you will be able to taper it once you feel you need less more precisely. I found Aroma's to have this faint "nutty" taste that wasn't unpleasant at all and blended in well with other juices I was using.

I do think I'm going to use this in my DIY stuff, but I'm going to have to be careful because if I make a crap DIY juice I'd hate for it to have the expensive WTAs in it. I should have time to experiment with WTA in my commercial juice while my first DIY batches steep. Then I can mix those as needed.

 

[SomethingElse]

I've tried WTA liquid before, and I remember it seeming more satisfying. I don't exactly remember why I didn't stick with it, maybe it was the expense of it in addition to other frustrations I was having with vaping. But this time around I think I've solved issues I had with hardware, so maybe it's time to try the WTA stuff again.

How do people feel about it? Have any of you had a similar experience to mine where vaping pure nicotine doesn't seem to be enough? Have you tried the WTA liquid? Did you like it?

This sounds similar to many comments I read on this forum a few weeks ago, first by "accident" then via a couple of searches for WTA. I've been trying to quit cigarettes since 2013 with vaping and tried more than a few devices and way more juices, both MTL and DL. Nothing really "worked" and I always reverted to analogs. Then, as I mentioned, I "found" the threads on this forum regarding WTA which was something I'd never heard of before. I then made the "leap" and bought some DVAP DIY WTA, unflavored 24mg/ml and 100%VG, from Aroma. As I think I understand it from those threads and DVaps own blog on this site, about 90-95% of that 24mg/ml is nicotine and the rest is composed of the "other alkaloids." So far, I'm finding more satisfaction in vaping than I ever have in the past, I'm using a Vaporesso Nexus (MTL) filled with a mix of Prelude (6mg/ml, 50%VG) from Black Note and the WTA mentioned above. My current ratio is 7 parts to 3 parts, respectively. But, like I said, you might want to peruse some of the other WTA info on ECF using the search box. Good luck.

 

[The Rebel]

Good old tobacco alkaloids. The only reason I couldn't fully give up smoking was because of those little buggers. Never felt satisfied with just vaping, always something missing. Man I spent weeks searching online for the reason when I finally found Dvaps blog. It was like pulling back a fog reading about how some people really attach themselves to the alkaloids. I knew immediately I was one of them. But I went the snus route and quit smoking completely with my first order of the Swedish good stuff. Never tried the WTA but I've heard nothing but good stuff and I hope it helps you out. Just a note for your orginal post, no worries about the snus and your teeth or gums, unlike American snus and chew, Swedish uses no sugars in their processing. Just water, tobacco, and salt. I feel ya on the heartburn, happens to some people but I have chronic heartburn and take medicine to keep it under control, so the snus juice doesn't bother me. Usually sticking to the dry white portions keeps the juice to a minimum which helps. I hope you find what you need with the WTA, I know a lot of people that use it and it works for them. Good luck!

 

[Nate5700]

Good old tobacco alkaloids. The only reason I couldn't fully give up smoking was because of those little buggers. Never felt satisfied with just vaping, always something missing. Man I spent weeks searching online for the reason when I finally found Dvaps blog. It was like pulling back a fog reading about how some people really attach themselves to the alkaloids. I knew immediately I was one of them. But I went the snus route and quit smoking completely with my first order of the Swedish good stuff. Never tried the WTA but I've heard nothing but good stuff and I hope it helps you out. Just a note for your orginal post, no worries about the snus and your teeth or gums, unlike American snus and chew, Swedish uses no sugars in their processing. Just water, tobacco, and salt. I feel ya on the heartburn, happens to some people but I have chronic heartburn and take medicine to keep it under control, so the snus juice doesn't bother me. Usually sticking to the dry white portions keeps the juice to a minimum which helps. I hope you find what you need with the WTA, I know a lot of people that use it and it works for them. Good luck!

I got my WTA liquid on Monday and it seems to be doing the trick! Haven't reached for my snus since I got it, though I have been tempted. I'm mixing the WTA liquid at 20% of my juice so I'm not going full strength, but it definitely fills in a missing peice.

As far a snus with the teeth and gums, I've used snus on and off for some time and have some gum recession. I don't know enough about why that happens but it's right where I used to always put my snus. So I started varying the location and haven't had additional issues, but just something I want to be careful with.

I like vaping so I'm glad I found a way to be satisfied with it. So much variety, especially since I'm getting into DIY. I like snus too, but the selection at QuikTrip is limited and Northerner won't ship to Oklahoma last I checked.