Mech + Factory Coil

[tj99959]

Again, sorry, but I disagree. A short can cause an instant major issue with your battery.

I am surprised to see such comments if I am honest. A short should be avoided at all costs when using a mech. There is no “ok-ish short” here. A short is a short, and one could lead to a very bad day. There is a big additional risk by using pre-made coil heads - so just don’t use them. No offence to members, but if you can’t build an rda, you probably have no place using a mech anyway (just my opinion of course).

We need to be a bit more specific when we say "pre-made coils". Old style 510 atties & cartos are a completely different deal than modern day blister pack coil heads. Insulator failures seemed to start when CE4s hit the market. However most of the old style stuff had slightly recessed center pins, so any mechanical mod has to have a positive pin!

Maybe I need to clarify a little.
When I started using a mechanical, the Trustfire was the best battery available. Anything below 1.5 ohms was risky. 2 ohms was considered "low resistance". AND, mechanical mods were the best mods available. It wasn't until the V1 Provari came out (late 2010) that there was a viable option to the mechanical. (and it had a 2.5 amp limiter) So performed better with a 3 ohm coil than it did with a 2 ohm coil. Those low amp coils simply didn't fry insulators as much.

 

[bwh79]

Imo being able to twist wire into a coil and instal it in an atomizer. .. does not qualify you to use a mech.....

He didn't say that it did. He just said that not being able to should dis-qualify, which is not the same thing.

It's like, "having eyeballs" doesn't automatically qualify you to fly a plane, but not having them pretty much makes it impossible.

It's a pretty simple concept: "if A then B" implies "if NOT B then NOT A." But it does not imply "if B then A" or "if NOT A then NOT B." Those may (or may not) be true independently, but regardless, they are not implied from the first statement.

 

[tj99959]

I've never used a carto; what are their insulators like? Your first statement does not seem to jibe with the rest of what you said. You're right that the problem here is with potential shorts. So why, then, do you go on to talk about resistance and sub-ohm? If the insulator fails and it shorts the battery, the coil won't matter whether it's two ohms or two-tenths of an ohm, because it's no longer part of the circuit. And as you said, "a short is a short, and a battery will not give a damn."

Ya need to remember, there was no such thing as a RDA back then.

I remember the first time I saw a RDA, it resembled a pickup truck sitting on an ATV trailer.

 

[VictorViper]

With a rebuildable on a mech, you have immediate and clear visual access to the circuit in its entirety. Can you say that with a drop-in coil? That would be my first barrier to use, personally. I'm admittedly out of date when it comes to these coils, but from what I've seen they aren't drastically different in general design as they used to be. And those insulators...

 

[stols001]

I think it's sort of simple: Regulated-- drop in coils, Regulated-- RTA/RDA learn to build your own coils, (provided you have the ability to do so, and by that I mean hands and eyes that can do so, even if maybe with some assistive devices) and then RTA/RDA on a mechanical, after you learn a lot about battery safety and ohms law? (Hopefully, you are learning it as you go.)

I mean, there's so much stuff on the market, it kind of makes sense to do it that way, unless you are some sort of mechanical/electrical genius (which is fine) or have a pretty solid background in the hard sciences.

If you don't there's probably some learning to do. It's not like anyone has to vape a mech mod immediately. Believe me, I understand the desires to do so, and I did buy one for the husband because I know he wouldn't blow himself up, but if I end up with it back in my lap, there's still going to be considerable research and coil-practicing going on, including memorizing Ohm's Law so well, I can recite it in my sleep....

I mean, yes, failures happen, they don't happen often, but if one happens, I want it to be not something I did to myself. If I get blown up by a mod, mech or not, I really want to be using best practices so that I don't blame myself in addition to everything else that might happen. I don't really understand the desire for a mech just for the sake of having one. I mean they seem pretty neat, I understand that they can give a fantastic vape, and I will learn to do so at some point, but sheesh, I'm only to RTAs (with difficulty) and DIY in about 4 months, I am SO NOT in a rush, and I don't understand why anyone would rush.

It's not like there aren't fantastic devices already on the market for newer users. I don't see the need to put a drop-in coil on a mech, period, and I'm not quite sure why one would, if one has the capacity to build and wick in a safe fashion, which is a great goal anyway, and there's no harm LEARNING on a regulated mod.

I know know know that mechs were like "first on the scene" in a way and also "bad things don't happen all the time" and etc. everything else, but they seem like the type of vape that one works one's way up to, to me, and really coiling and wicking are a part of that.

What kind of topper that takes drop in coils would even be that great on a mech mod anyway? If there's battery variance wouldn't such coils have some type of hard time with that, to a certain extent? I can't imagine a prefab coil that would be that thrilled to do that, that's not what they are designed for, seems to be my thought. Sure, coils have resistance ranges, does a person simply try to go by that, to a degree?

Sorry, just some rambly thoughts....

Anna

 

[bwh79]

What kind of topper that takes drop in coils would even be that great on a mech mod anyway?

I know one of the SMOK sticks utilizes direct voltage, and there's a coil for the (baby beast?) atomizer that comes with it, that's designed to work that way. And the old eGo/etc. devices, were mostly set at 3.7v so if you put the topper for one of those on a mech (not recommended, but if), it would be about the same.