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I'm fairly new to vaping(about 2 mos) but I've been bitten by the bug and want more than what my evod mega can give me. Its great to take with me to work or anywhere else but I like the idea of a mech mod for being able to burn off old juice to change flavors and also for testing my diy juices without having to fill a tank with it.
Any thoughts or info I should know before purchasing one would be appreciated. Thanks
 

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Thanks, I'm very aware of the dangers of lithium batteries, I used to race radio controlled cars, so I'm familiar with proper charge/discharge rates and battery care.

I'm more concerned with whether or not its worth the money to buy a name brand or if a basic clone will get the job done.
I'm also wondering if the flavors will be different or if nicotine levels will need to be adjusted in a mech mod opposed to my evod mega tank.
 
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'Search' the ECF for an Achilles. It is an RDA (Rebuildable Drip Atomizer) that is excellent for flavor testing. The air draw is a little tight, and it is a single coil atomizer. I use one to test my DIY flavors. Frog in Fog has the clone version for under $30.
If you are interested in Mechanicals, read up on the subject first. I personally use Reos Mods, and I am very happy with the craftsmanship and durability. But they are not cheap. There are other 'Mods' that might seem awesome, but are overpriced. Some might seem affordable, but are actually cheap and undependable. There are reviews of Equipment and E-Liquids in their appropriate sub forums.
Good Luck in your search. Vape Happy :thumb:
 
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The drawback for using a mech mod for your stated application is going to be you cannot change the wattage/voltage without building a new coil. No way to "fine tune" on the fly. When I am taste testing batches I need to be able to fine tune my power for the best results.

but I like the idea of a mech mod for being able to burn off old juice to change flavors and also for testing my diy juices without having to fill a tank with it.
What you are describing here is a RDA - rebuildable dripping atomizer.
 

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I like the idea of a mech mod for being able to burn off old juice to change flavors and also for testing my diy juices without having to fill a tank with it.
It sounds like what you are looking for is not necessarily a mech mod, but just a rebuildable dripping atomizer, also known as a "dripper" or "RDA". An RDA can be used on just about any device, whether mechanical or regulated. What makes something a mech mod is that it's just a direct physical connection from the battery to the atomizer, with a simple mechanical switch (hence the "mech" in "mech mod") to complete the circuit. It just pours out whatever voltage the battery is carrying at the time (generally around 4.2v at full charge, and less as the battery begins to drain), straight into the atomizer coil. This is a risky proposition because, if the coil resistance is too low, or if there is a short somewhere, it can work the battery too hard and lead to catastrophic failure in the form of hot gasses and flames shooting from the battery, and potentially even exploding the device if it does not have the proper ventilation to dissipate the pressure.

A regulated device, on the other hand, will have circuitry inside, usually some form of protection against short circuits and too-low resistance, and also a regulatory section (hence "regulated" device) that regulates the voltage coming from the battery, either to a fixed amount (3.7v in your Evod Mega, for example) or else adjustable by by the user (called "variable" devices, either variable voltage or, these days, trending toward variable wattage which is still, ultimately, accomplished by varying the voltage, nonetheless.)

Either of these kinds of devices can have either a tank attached, or a dripper. Even your Evod Mega can use a dripper; you won't necessarily need to buy a new mod in order to use it at all, let alone a mechanical. Of course, that shouldn't stop you from buying one if you want to get something new, just know that you don't necessarily need it.
 
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I'm a mech modder. I do not recommend them for people without more than a couple of months experience. Besides, there are (much safer) regulated mods now more powerful than any single battery mech can be. What you need for testing juices and so forth is a RDA, a rebuildable dripping atomizer. But this can be driven by any mod at all, it doesn't have to be a mech. Please, please, please, I tell you three times, learn about battery safety and Ohm's Law before trying to use a mech. Seriously. Double seriously. They can be dangerous to people who do not understand these things. You can wind up holding a pipe bomb, not an APV. I'd rather not read the headlines about another vapor-related death. The anti-nicotine cops and the tobacco-taxers are already giving us enough trouble.
 

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Mechs. can be had at just about any price range. There quality is up and down too. Research ohms law, battery safety,and mechs. You will hear everyone preach safety around here, and for good reason:). If you like to tinker with stuff then you will like using a mech, If your not the tinker type then it will be hightmare. You can run RDAs, RTAs, regular tanks and even cartos/clearomizers. Most run RDAs and some people even run Kick2s. Others have stated that are better regulated devices with more options which is true, but to learn mechs is fairly easy once you learn the safety end of it.
 

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Yes, I do like to tinker...which is also why I think I'd enjoy a mech/RDA. I've seen several different ways to wrap coils and wick setups, and it looks like a lot of fun as long as I keep safety first. I think the most important part at this point is having a high quality battery capable of discharging at a high rate without heating up and venting on me. since it appears that most require a 18650 battery, What battery manufacturer/model would you guys recommend?
 

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Thanks, I'm very aware of the dangers of lithium batteries, I used to race radio controlled cars, so I'm familiar with proper charge/discharge rates and battery care.

I'm more concerned with whether or not its worth the money to buy a name brand or if a basic clone will get the job done.
I'm also wondering if the flavors will be different or if nicotine levels will need to be adjusted in a mech mod opposed to my evod mega tank.
You can get great clones if you are careful and read reviews. If you are willing to learn the battery safety and ohms law, then, IMO, a good mech with an RDA can't be beat. But, if you think that all you need to do is pay attention to charging cycles like a RF car, then you need to look into this some more. If you are fully into this and willing to learn it, then a mech setup is fantastic and will last forever.
I would look at something simple like a Tugboat RDA and some kind of single tube 18650 mod clone (with a standard top cap / not hybrid), like a Vapetech Pegasus or Overdose.
You also should get a spool of 24g kanthal, ceramic tweezers, organic cotton, and an ohm meter.
 

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But, if you think that all you need to do is pay attention to charging cycles like a RF car, then you need to look into this some more.
Maybe I should've been a little more clear..I raced competitively for many years, built my own battery setups, electric motors, etc...I was 4th ranked driver on the west coast and ranked 34th overall nationally. I'm very well aware of battery safety and I do understand ohms law..I understand and appreciate all of your concerns regarding safety and how a mech mod can be a hand grenade if not handled properly. Please understand, im not that guy thats just going to jump in and build something crazy because some idiot did it on youtube and got a massive cloud. Please forgive me if any of this sounded rude, just trying to get passed all of the safety warnings. Thank you
 

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Yes, I do like to tinker...which is also why I think I'd enjoy a mech/RDA. I've seen several different ways to wrap coils and wick setups, and it looks like a lot of fun as long as I keep safety first. I think the most important part at this point is having a high quality battery capable of discharging at a high rate without heating up and venting on me. since it appears that most require a 18650 battery, What battery manufacturer/model would you guys recommend?
@Mooch is the guy to talk to about batteries, or @Baditude. In a mech, high amp draw is paramount for safety. I like, and use Sony VTC4s. These are supposed to be 20amp native batteries, but they can be used to 30 amps, according to general consensus. Last I looked, RTD had 'em on sale, 4 plus two free safety storage boxes for $29. Another one is the Orbtronic SX30, an honest 30 amp battery. The Sony VTC5s are also well thought of, another 30 amp battery. You are definitely going to need a good charger. An Xtar or Intellicore, and these are not cheap. I use the Xtar VC4, and can recommend it. It comes with an LCD screen that will give you a lot of info about the batteries and you can track their capacity as it diminishes over the useful life. Safety storage boxes are also a good idea for batteries as this keeps them from coming into contact with a conductor that can short them and have them explosively discharge. There are other very good batteries out there in the 20 amp range, LGs and Panasonics are also recommended. Not my suggestion for a mech, unless you intend to not go below .5 ohms or so, but they kick .... in a regulated mod that doesn't need 30 amp batts. Another thing to remember about them is, the higher the amp draw, the lower the capacity of the battery. Thus if the use you are planning to put them never requires more than 10 amps or so, even in the case of a failure, then you can go longer between recharges because each batt stores more juice. Batteries wear out with recharging, so this is a good idea. A caution: the Sonys, being popular, are often counterfeited. Don't buy them on eBay, no matter how attractive the price. (Not true for chargers, those are harder to fake.) The two shops I linked, RTDVapor and Orbtronic, are trusted suppliers; they can be relied on to ship what you actually paid for. There are others, check the "Forum Suppliers" board. And be sure to leave at least a 20% safety margin on your batteries. If it's a 20 amp, don't ask it for more than 16.

You say you're a tinkerer. Fine, and welcome to the club. Me too, and that's why I love mech mods. If you want a suggestion, start out with a Smok Magneto and/or a Nemesis clone. (The Smok is cheap enough you should buy the authentic.) For a tank, get a Lemo2 (also authentic and cheap enough to buy) for single coils, or a Fogger V6 for duals (definitely Yi Loong authentic on the Fogger, some of the clones are nasty.) You will also want an RDA sooner rather than later. It's handy to test juice and blow clouds, although you can get pretty fair clouds out of the tanks, too. If you've gotten the safety message-- you appear to, or I wouldn't have written this-- then enjoy. A tinkerer is going to have a lot of fun. :)

Finally, here's a handy link I confidently predict you'll use very often: Ohm's Law Calculator.
 

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Maybe I should've been a little more clear..I raced competitively for many years, built my own battery setups, electric motors, etc...I was 4th ranked driver on the west coast and ranked 34th overall nationally. I'm very well aware of battery safety and I do understand ohms law..I understand and appreciate all of your concerns regarding safety and how a mech mod can be a hand grenade if not handled properly. Please understand, im not that guy thats just going to jump in and build something crazy because some idiot did it on youtube and got a massive cloud. Please forgive me if any of this sounded rude, just trying to get passed all of the safety warnings. Thank you
*Whew* I feel better. Thanks. No offense, and not trying to shelve you with the n00bs. If you know about batts, you'll understand why I-- why we-- are worried.
 

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Simply because it cannot be stated enough...


SAFETY FIRST!!!!!

Do all the required reading, all the suggested reading, know ohms law, know ohms law again, know your battery, know your mech (if thats what you get), know your coils, know RDA.

That said, i am a total mekkie. I love my mechs. I use an RDA as my main atty these days and i love it. There is alot to know and you're in the right place to learn what you need so ask away, there are no stupid questions when it comes to safety.

Two people i highly recommend you take advice from on the subject of vaping safety and batteries are

@Baditude - knows alot about battery safety, ohms law and makes it very accessible for beginners.

@Mooch - does very thorough and complete bench tests on the popular batteries.
 

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When I really got into vaping, mechs where about the only thing worth having. I took my time with them and never went below a 1 ohm coil, I tried everything tanks, cartos, and RTA/RDA. It took sometime but i could get a decent vape off any thing I put on it. I bought a DX650 from House of Hybrids for $115, one AW18650 battery and a simple charger. It didnt take me long to upgrade the charger and get more batteries. You can get clones pretty cheap but by the sounds of it, you being in RC cars and all, that would you be look for good quality. I have never had a problem other than changing out a spring with my DX650s and I own four of them. Nice thing about the Z2 DX series is you can mix and match tube sizes/colors and keep the same switch and 510 top cap.
 

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For a mech?
Sony VTC4 bought from a reliable supplier, to ensure it's not a countefeit, like illumn.com.

A lot depends on your coil resistance though...
Was wondering why the VTC5 wasn't recommend after visiting the website since the discharge rates are the same but the VTC5 has 25% higher capacity. Only 3 bucks more and I'm sure it'll have a much longer lifespan
 
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