mechanical mods, dangerous?

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blaine0512

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Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING:ohmy: in their face blowing their teeth out and what not. My best friend's husband has a top of the line mechanical mod and they asked me to take hit to see the difference but they warned me not to hold the button too long because it would explode! So naturally I was a little apprehensive but still wanted to see what all the hype is about so I hit (but very quickly lol) and it was great! Although it it wonderfully and all do you think it's worth the risk? Do you think mechanical mods should even be outlawed or recalled for until the manufacturers to build them more safely?
 

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Welcome to ECF blaine.

Would you be kind enough to point me to the origin of those news stories... ya' see, other than the hyperbole here on ECF, I've never seen a story on the TV news regarding mech mods going boom.

Your best friend's husband is a top of the line idiot, or just thought it funny to scare you... which still, makes him an idiot.

I use mech mods every day, day in - day out, as do a half dozen of my friends and neighbors. Add in the hundreds (thousands?) of users here on ECF.
They are as safe as the user is intelligent. Considering the number of idiots (see above) that use them... they must be reasonably safe.
 

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There was a report from over two years ago of a Florida man who had batteries explode in his mod. Allegedly it was a home-made mechanical mod, and he was stacking batteries, and the wrong kind of batteries at that. Allegedly he was using non-rechargeable batteries like flashlights and boom boxes use. This was a particularly bad explosion which knocked out teeth and part of his jaw.

I myself have had an ICR protected Li-ion battery explode in a mechanical mod. The fire button got stuck on the mod, causing the battery to over-discharge and go into thermal runaway. Below is that battery:

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Now, this was nowhere as near violent as what happened to that Florida man. But as you can see from the pic, the meltdown was enough to cause the battery to split open and vent pressurized hot gas hot enough to burn the pants pocket the mod was it. The "protected circuit" in the battery and the hot spring in the mod did not prevent this battery from meltdown.

Granted that was not one of the best batteries that I could have used, but it WAS the battery that was recommended for that mod at the time I purchased it, and I didn't know any better for the worse.

Protected ICR batteries use a flamable chemistry, so when the primitive circuit built into them fail, they can become quite dangerous. This is why these batteries are no longer recommended to be used in any mod.

The newer IMR and hybrid batteries use "safer chemistry" which do not require built-in protected circuits in them, as they are inherently safer. They can still vent gas should they go into thermal runaway, but they are less likely to and in less dramatic fashion than an ICR battery can.

The fact is a mechanical mod has little to no protection features like a regulated variable voltage mod has. A variable voltage mod will have short circuit protection, auto timed cutoff of the fire button, temperature monitoring, reverse battery protection, over-discharge protection, etc. built into the micro processor. Had I been using a regulated mod, the battery incident that I experienced would have been prevented from happening.

A mechanical mod's only "safety features" would be a collapsable hot spring (which some do not have), a vent hole to allow escape of the pressurized gas from a venting battery, and some have a lockable fire button to prevent accidental firing of the fire button. The first two only come into play AFTER a battery has become hot and is in trouble.

Therefore, a regulated mod is safer than a mechanical mod. Safe chemistry IMR batteries are safer to use than ICR batteries.

Having said that, I still use a mechanical mod. I use safe chemistry IMR type batteries in my mechanical mods and regulated mods. I practice safe battery habits. The chances that I will experience another battery incident is extremely small because I am using safer batteries, the right batteries, and practicing safe battery habits.

Learn which batteries are the safest to use in your mods. There's a lot of battery and charger information in this ECF sub-forum:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/546143-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

Always respect the power that is in these batteries and always practice safe battery habits.
 
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Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING:ohmy: in their face blowing their teeth out and what not. My best friend's husband has a top of the line mechanical mod and they asked me to take hit to see the difference but they warned me not to hold the button too long because it would explode!


Ya know, this sounds like more of the anti-vaping propaganda I've seen so much of since I joined the forums here. The site is becoming rotten with it, and you are quite obviously NOT on our side. Welcome to my ignore list.
 

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Not dangerous if you use the correct batteries and educate yourself on how mechanical mods work.. Do homework on battery safety and how to clean and take care of mods.. Been using them for years and have had 0 problems. I might add using the correct atomizers on them at correct ohms is als0 important.. Cell phones have blown up too.. It can happen to any battery..
 

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There seems to an ever increasing number of people who replace common sense with trust.
"Sure I can use this iPhone charger on my cheap Chinese eGo"
"These little flip tops on my e-liquid are child safe right? So I can leave these in easy reach without fear"
"I can hold the fire button on my mech for like 2 minutes cause I have x Brand 200A batteries"
"I bet e-liquid would work in place of Visine in a pinch"
"I can cross the street without looking because cars have good brakes and the pedestrian always has right-of-way right?"

Always do your research and use common, good sense before endeavoring into something you know nothing or very little about especially if it could be dangerous. How many people for their first time smoking a filtered cigarette did enough "research" to know which end to light?

For what it's worth I use my mech every day as well as several regulated mods. Other than an occasionally warm battery from use I have never had an issue.
 
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    Welcome to ECF blaine.

    Would you be kind enough to point me to the origin of those news stories... ya' see, other than the hyperbole here on ECF, I've never seen a story on the TV news regarding mech mods going boom.
    Your best friend's husband is a top of the line idiot, or just thought it funny to scare you... which still, makes him an idiot.

    I use mech mods every day, day in - day out, as do a half dozen of my friends and neighbors. Add in the hundreds (thousands?) of users here on ECF.
    They are as safe as the user is intelligent. Considering the number of idiots (see above) that use them... they must be reasonably safe.

    Here ya go:
    Electric Cigarette Explodes in Fla. Man's Face - ABC News

    Allegedly it was a home-made mechanical mod,
    No it wasn't! He was stacking Radio Shack batteries in a PureSmoker Legacy.

    AND, you won't believe the role that played in our loosing our rights to vape in public here in Utah!
    Also a US maker of mechanicals no longer exists as a result (PureSmoker.com)

    So don't take the issue lightly. Bad things become possible when people don't do things properly.
     

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    Ya know, this sounds like more of the anti-vaping propaganda I've seen so much of since I joined the forums here. The site is becoming rotten with it, and you are quite obviously NOT on our side. Welcome to my ignore list.
    That is an over-reaction and not necessary. The OP's question is a perfectly legitimate one, as I pointed out in my response to the question. I will admit that the presentation of the question was needlessly over-emphasized with large red letters.

    The batteries that we use in our mods are quite powerful. If the wrong batteries are used or abused, and safe battery habits are not followed, a battery can indeed explode in a mechanical mod. A novice like the above OP may not know about this information.

    Your response was very combative and served the community in no helpful manner. Education is key, not name-calling those who come here to learn about safety. Attack the post, not the poster.
     
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    Cearamm

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    Mech mods are as dangerous or as safe as you, the user, wants them to be. I personally vape safe, i feel.

    Example. One could build a super awesome sick as .... coil with 24 gauge kanthal that meters out to 0.1 ohm resistance. Then that user can hook his atty up to a mech mod using an AW IMR 18350 with a 6amp limit, and watch his battery melt in his hands.

    Or you can build that same coil using a 30+ amp limit battery and be a lot safer.

    Personally I vape around .6-1.8 ohm resistance using 15amp or higher batteries, depending on the build. I am considering a Kick 2 so that i dont even have to vape subohm and instead vape my mech mod like a variable wattage device. I feel this is alot safer since its got built in fuse protection, auto cutoff preventing overdischarge past 3.3 volts, etc etc.

    Soyea, mechs can be dangerous if you dont know your stuff. Ohms law here is required reading for anyone using a mech mod in any fashion. I wont let my wife take her mech out of the house because i know she wont use the locking ring and she will throw it in her purse and melt her stuff. So a provari goes with her.

    Personally i love mechs simply because of the artistic value, and the function they offer. Regulated devices simply cannot match th beauty of a well machined and engraved mech mod, IMO.

    As always, vape safe!
     

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    That is an over-reaction and not necessary. The OP's question is a perfectly legitimate one, as I pointed out in my response to the question.

    The batteries that we use in our mods are quite powerful. If the wrong batteries are used, and safe battery habits are not followed, a battery can indeed explode in a mechanical mod. A novice like the above OP may not know about this information.

    Your response was very combative and served the community in no helpful manner. Education is key, not name-calling those who come here to learn about safety. Attack the post, not the poster.

    The OP says "Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING". We know that is not true. That make the OP very suspect, so I don't see it as an over-reaction. I won't bother adding the OP to the ignore list, though. They will probably never post here again under this user name.
     

    acidvenom

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    Have to agree with Baditude, my mother once used a cheapy chinese charger for rechargables( i think they were energizer, not sure, but they weren't cheap, good quality batteries) and they caught fire AND leaked fluid. This should serve as a good example why you shouldn't risk safety for 20-50 $, i think that a human life has a bit more value than that. If you find that your life is not that valuable, go ahead and use cheap batteries and chargers and don't keep a fire extinguisher around the house. See what happens.
     

    acidvenom

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    Don't forget the "This e-liquid smells so good... I bet it would go good mixed in a drink!"

    That there is about the extent of vaping I've seen in the news. Aside from a story where a woman received a faulty charger and it caused her eGo to overcharge and shoot flames across her room.
    Someone actually put e-juice in a drink?
     

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    Mechanically speaking a mech mod is no different from a flashlight, and you don't hear stories about dangerous flashlights exploding.


    The danger comes when people do things with mech mods that the batteries were not intended to do. It's when the user creates a coil that causes the battery's safe amp limits to be exceeded that things can become dangerous, but with the right batteries even that risk is mitigated.

    There is a lot more "scare the pants off people" talk about the dangers of mech mods since subohming became popular, and these days some mech mod users seem to forget that they can be used for other purposes. With IMR batteries mech mods have never been safer.
     

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    The OP says "Seems like every time I turn on the news there is a story about someone's mechanical EXPLODING". We know that is not true. That make the OP very suspect, so I don't see it as an over-reaction. I won't bother adding the OP to the ignore list, though. They will probably never post here again under this user name.

    Yeah. That's a really weird way of opening up a discussion; it's journalistic.

    Having said that, safety is important.

    Having said THAT, you can educate people, but you can't idiot-proof everything. Daughter's bff nearly blew her face off trying to deep fry some dumplings. She thought she should leave the oil on high so it boiled. Oil caught fire. She poured water on it to put out the fire. The whole thing went boom. All were well, but it was a close thing.

    Someone will misuse something, sometime, and that will make the news.
     
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