mechanical mods, dangerous?

[CassiusCloud]

Being reasonable is a good thing. Unreasonable fear is never a good thing though.


Do you own a car? Which do you think is more dangerous, the safe chemistry battery in your mech mod or the 60lb unprotected battery filled with highly explosive and caustic acid in your car? Have you or anyone you know ever added an amplifier to your car stereo? Did you find it necessary to learn all about battery safety and the electrical loads and limitations of your car first, or did you just buy an amplifier and ask someone to install it?

Isn't it amazing how much we worry about a little ecig battery while totally ignoring and knowing virtually nothing about that big explosive bomb sitting under the hood of our expensive cars?

I'm a retired electrician actually,among other things.
Wish i was retired retired though.lol

I think you're misunderstanding what i was saying, and that's my fault..


I really should have worded it different.
I don't have time today since i work tonight and am off to bed..
Maybe next time, if this thread is not around tomorrow..

 

[drummerskey]

The one thing that honestly makes me sad is that when I started vaping, this community was really nice and helpful. There were some people who shared their experience with me and I have since; passed that information to others along with my own experience. Now, I read a lot of posts to threads that totally dismiss someone's question because they assume that they just have to be THE MAN, here to plot and tear down the vaping community. Having "tact" or phrasing a statement so that it is universally accepted is not everyone's strong suit but I have yet to see one of these infiltrators use information shared here against us.

This question is legitimate and each of us should want to make sure that newbies understand what they are doing. Whether it is one time, two times or a hundred times out of a population of 300 million; when it is time for the government to decide what to do with e-cigs, one is all they will need for their argument. We should try to make sure that everyone safely understands what they are doing.

I agree that cars, laptops and cell phones can be equally/more dangerous but the difference here is that most people I talk to about vaping; some that do vape and others that don't.........don't have the first clue how this stuff works because it is not as common as a car, laptop or cell phone. I take the responsibility of someone asking my advice seriously because their success with vaping and their safety is in my hands.........Mr. Lebowski asked me to repeat that Dude, "her life is in your hands"

In my opinion, if I am right and there are no ANTZ here to take us down or if your right and the OP is a plant; when legitimate new people read others' questions or other newbies being hammered........are they going to come here for advice the next time or go to a uneducated B&M store clerk (not all of them) or worse...............guess?

 

[PirateHooligan86]

As others have said, the biggest thing is going to be about doing your homework on the battery's capabilities, and making sure it can handle the ohm-level that you built on your set-up. Most of the newer batteries are chemically stronger with a higher flash-point than traditional Li-Ions. Unless you're running really low sub-ohm coils, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Unfortunately, bad things are going to happen to some people who just don't know any better, or are knowingly being dumb. Just look at some of the firework accidents every 4th of July, and what they were doing with them beforehand, ha ha.

 

[Tfall]

General rule if the battery has the word fire in it don't use it....

 

[TheBeardedMann]

The one thing that honestly makes me sad is that when I started vaping, this community was really nice and helpful. There were some people who shared their experience with me and I have since; passed that information to others along with my own experience. Now, I read a lot of posts to threads that totally dismiss someone's question because they assume that they just have to be THE MAN, here to plot and tear down the vaping community. Having "tact" or phrasing a statement so that it is universally accepted is not everyone's strong suit but I have yet to see one of these infiltrators use information shared here against us.

This question is legitimate and each of us should want to make sure that newbies understand what they are doing. Whether it is one time, two times or a hundred times out of a population of 300 million; when it is time for the government to decide what to do with e-cigs, one is all they will need for their argument. We should try to make sure that everyone safely understands what they are doing.

I agree that cars, laptops and cell phones can be equally/more dangerous but the difference here is that most people I talk to about vaping; some that do vape and others that don't.........don't have the first clue how this stuff works because it is not as common as a car, laptop or cell phone. I take the responsibility of someone asking my advice seriously because their success with vaping and their safety is in my hands.........Mr. Lebowski asked me to repeat that Dude, "her life is in your hands"

In my opinion, if I am right and there are no ANTZ here to take us down or if your right and the OP is a plant; when legitimate new people read others' questions or other newbies being hammered........are they going to come here for advice the next time or go to a uneducated B&M store clerk (not all of them) or worse...............guess?

Had to mouse hover to see what ANTZ was. LOL!

 

[VWMichael]

the problem is usually in cheap unprotected batteries not the mods themselves. I cant speak for every mod on the market, but more than not is an issue with the battery being unprotected.

 

[Kovertkow]

Been playing with mechs for a while now so please don't do what I do and I'm in no way saying what I do is safe...
I only use IMR batteries in my mechs. I also paid the coin and obtained decent chargers where my batteries when not in use stay 24/7 without incident. I tend to run coils in the .5-1.3 range. The only incident I have had was leaving my zen in my pocket, where it auto fired... Long enough to burn my leg and hand when I removed it... No battery venting and six months later I am still using the same battery. Just like with almost everything a mod(insert object of dangerousness here) is only as safe as the user.

 

[Glenn_K]

Are you still just thinking about getting into e-cigs, or are you already vaping and, if so, what are you using now?

You'll get plenty of help on the newcomers forum if you have questions about e-liquids or gear, and there are some good ECF resources for newcomers: 5058-10-advancing-up-vaping-ladder-egos-mods.htm

-- Glenn

I'm new to the vaping community so I'm just trying to get educated on all this stuff

 

[Bunnykiller]

mechs are not dangerous.... but battery abuse is....

 

[Coldrake]

I find it surprising to hear people talk about the scary batteries and how they constantly monitor them while they charge.
We used to be smokers! We laughed in the face of lung cancer, scoffed at COPD, and now we are afraid of batteries? Is vaping turning us all into a bunch of sandle wearing vegan hippies? LOL

Lung cancer doesn't explode.

 

[Baditude]

Sorry, but what is IMR and ICR?

There are three types of Lithium batteries that can be used in mods. Examples of each:


AW IMR battery (high-drain, safe-chemistry)

AW ICR protected battery (low-drain, flamable-chemistry)

Panasonic hybrid battery (high-drain, safe-chemistry)


Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

 

[PirateHooligan86]

Lung cancer doesn't explode.

HAHAHA! I like this response a lot for some reason.....

 

[PirateHooligan86]

There are they types of Lithium batteries that can be used in mods. Examples of each:


View attachment 326936 AW IMR battery (high-drain, safe-chemistry)

View attachment 326937 AW ICR protected battery (low-drain, flamable-chemistry)

View attachment 326938 Panasonic hybrid battery (high-drain, safe-chemistry)


Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

I just got in one of those Panasonic hybrid batteries last week, and they are awesome! They have generally high mAh specs, but with the safety of an IMR, I love mine.

 

[Kovertkow]

I forgot about my Panasonic batteries... They are wonderful... The only issue Inhave is the positive contact gets crushed in some of my telescope mods, the nzonic being the worst offender.

 

[blaine0512]

I have an MVP 2.0 Shine Edition which I'm sure you all know it takes the universal charger for most cell phones. Is it dangerous for me to use my cell phone charger to charge it or should I souly be using the charger that came with it? I know it's totally off topic but I read that using the wrong charger could make your mod explode. Like I stated above, I'm very new to the vaping world. I've only been vaping since last black friday.

 

[Baditude]

Best to use the charger that came with the MVP.

 

[Ryedan]

the problem is usually in cheap unprotected batteries not the mods themselves. I cant speak for every mod on the market, but more than not is an issue with the battery being unprotected.

You're missing an important point VWMichael. Unprotected batteries of the correct type are afer than protected batteries of the incoprrect type. For some great info on it all see Baditude's post here and the link in it. Note the AW IMR and Panasonic batteries are unprotected.

 

[Ryedan]

That is an over-reaction and not necessary. The OP's question is a perfectly legitimate one, as I pointed out in my response to the question. I will admit that the presentation of the question was needlessly over-emphasized with large red letters.

The batteries that we use in our mods are quite powerful. If the wrong batteries are used or abused, and safe battery habits are not followed, a battery can indeed explode in a mechanical mod. A novice like the above OP may not know about this information.

Your response was very combative and served the community in no helpful manner. Education is key, not name-calling those who come here to learn about safety. Attack the post, not the poster.

I was going to post something similar but you beat me to it Bad. Well said

IMO it is always better to give someone the benefit of the doubt before we assume a pro-ANTZ agenda. Not everyone does a lot of reading before they ask. Sometimes that leads to the question looking really suspicious.

Most of the time a post looks suspicious it turns out not to have been meant the way it came across. I remember a few threads that went on for quite a few posts before we figured things out. In the end it does get figured out though.

 

[Baditude]

the problem is usually in cheap unprotected batteries not the mods themselves. I cant speak for every mod on the market, but more than not is an issue with the battery being unprotected.

If you are still using protected ICR batteries in your mods then you are either behind in the times or have been given some out-of-date recommendations.

In this day of modern battery technology, everyone should be using un-protected IMR or hybrid batteries (SAFE CHEMISTRY), NOT protected ICR batteries.

There WAS a time not too long ago when recommendations were to use a protected ICR battery for mods. That time has come and passed. IMR's were new on the scene back then, and people didn't understand that the unprotected IMR's didn't need a protection circuit (because they are inherently safer chemistry-wise).

And be forewarned, there are batteries even less safe than protected ICR batteries - unprotected ICR batteries (often sold as ICR Li-ion batteries or harvested from old laptop computers). All ICR batteries should be delegated to flashlight use only. These may have been what you were referring to, but I suspect you are confusing IMR batteries as being un-safe, which is not the case.

 

[Chewy-bot]

i have seen my fair share of "high power" batteries fail in a catastrophic manner, while i would call it a "blow torch" an explosion is it not. I can 100% see the danger of a venting battery being contained in a metal tube, its what i would call a pipe-bomb. My question is this, is there any mod, (period, regulated or not) that does not have a vent hole?

Maybe i'm jaded, but fire shooting out is dangerous, but "explosion"?