Messy Genesis Condensation

[Sero]

I've been a carto user for a long time and only have gotten into RBAs recently. I loved cartos because I never had any issues with getting juice everywhere and they were simple to use while giving a good vape. The genesis I have hits hard and it's a great device, but I find it to be high maintenance. After awhile the juice condensation on the deck builds up and sometimes I don't have the chance to wipe it down. It starts to get outside of the top cap and then rub all over my device as I use it. Is the juice condensation thing just an inherent flaw with the design of the genesis? Is there a way I can get less condensation? I feel juice is being wasted and I HATE getting juice on my hands/device.

I also have to be careful when I take the top cap off to clean because if I bump the coils, I have hot spots I have to straighten out. So far to me the gene seems like an overhyped, high maintenance device. I think the future of RBAs is the Kayfun/Taifun/Ithaca style devices. Even though they are basically glorified EVODs, they aren't supposed to leak and you can lay them down. I think should have gone with one of those because they are not supposed to be messy. I really wanted something I could setup and then not have to mess with for a long while. I think I could do that with my gene if it wasn't for the condensation.

 

[Vego]

I don't ever have this problem. Sure I get some condensation on the deck and in the top cap, but never to the point of it spilling out the air hole. I'm guessing it coming out the air hole, no?... as most have an oring the top cap fits over... you sure you got yours on? It's also possible your wick is way too skinny in the wick hole and juice is simply spilling out. Try fattening up the wick.

 

[Sero]

Thanks, I will try that out because my wick does seem to slide down pretty easy if I press on it. It did seem like a lot of juice for condensation to me.

 

[vapdivrr]

do you get a lot of snap, crackel, and pops ? a good set-up doesn't really make this sound, its just a smooth hssss sound. if your genny is making some funky noises, like exploding noises then you will get a lot of juice around that's not vaporizing properly.

 

[Sero]

I have a thicker wick now and I'm still getting a lot of condensation. It gives the normal hsss sound. I think the issue is that I stop drawing on it right after I let go of the power button. My coil gives off a little bit of residual vapor that hangs around in the top cap area afterwards and causes a lot of condensation. I draw on it for a couple more seconds after letting off the button to clear the top cap area and that seems to help, but I don't like doing that. Is this because of my 1.2 ohm 28ga SSmesh setup? It is still so hot after I let go of the button that the vapor continues. Is there anyway to stop that? Any other tips would be great, thanks.

 

[d3mon]

what "genesis RBA" do you have? i ask cuz i was getting juice down the sides of my mod from the RSST. i thought it was due to the juice splattered around up at the top under the cap and leaking down the sides. i discovered it was actually cuz juice at the top was getting down the center pin onto my 510 connection and between the bottom of the tank and the bottom metal trey of the RSST.

i saw a suggestion to wrap the center pin with teflon to close off the gap inside....and since then i have not had any leakage on my 510 or mod.

here's a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKo16OQffw

 

[Sero]

I have a noble which is a small chamber genesis, The juice builds up on my deck and the eventually goes off the deck, over lubes my top cap oring and gets out around the bottom edge of the top cap. The noble does have issues with juice going down the center pin hole, but I haven't had that issue.

 

[Rule62]

what "genesis RBA" do you have? i ask cuz i was getting juice down the sides of my mod from the RSST. i thought it was due to the juice splattered around up at the top under the cap and leaking down the sides. i discovered it was actually cuz juice at the top was getting down the center pin onto my 510 connection and between the bottom of the tank and the bottom metal trey of the RSST.

i saw a suggestion to wrap the center pin with teflon to close off the gap inside....and since then i have not had any leakage on my 510 or mod.

here's a vid

RSST Leak Fix - YouTube

Sorry for going off topic, but an easier fix for the RSST leakage down the center shaft is to use a top seal from an AGA-T, if you happen to have one. It fits snug on the center shaft, instead of the original RSST top seal, which fits very loose.

 

[jasl90]

I have a Noble myself and I'm getting leaks as well.
I'm thinking that it needs slightly thicker o-rings... Both for the top cap and the tank.
I'm also going to try adding a 2nd layer of heat shrink to the pos post to get a tighter fit.

 

[Sero]

yeah when the condensation gets bad on the noble the one top cap oring gets over lubricated and makes the top cap VERY loose. I cannot put it in my pocket because of that.

Look in the Noble thread on the APV subforum for the fix on the leaky center post leaking to the battery. Someone posted a fix for that in there.

 

[jasl90]

Thanks... I'll check it out. So far, the only fix I've seen is to tighten the nut just below the spring. The only problem is that the o-rings tent to "squirt" out the side when compressed... Making the seal even worse.
Trying to avoid taking the drill press to it but I'm thinking that a slight recess in the base will keep the o-ring from expanding outward when compressed.

 

[Kemosabe]

I have a thicker wick now and I'm still getting a lot of condensation. It gives the normal hsss sound. I think the issue is that I stop drawing on it right after I let go of the power button. My coil gives off a little bit of residual vapor that hangs around in the top cap area afterwards and causes a lot of condensation. I draw on it for a couple more seconds after letting off the button to clear the top cap area and that seems to help, but I don't like doing that. Is this because of my 1.2 ohm 28ga SSmesh setup? It is still so hot after I let go of the button that the vapor continues. Is there anyway to stop that? Any other tips would be great, thanks.

i suggest to let off the power button a second or two before you want to stop drawing. this will allow the atomizer to finish vaporizing whatever jucie it has heated up, then as you continue to draw for 1 or 2 secs after releasing the power button, you are effectively clearing the residual vapor remaining in the top cap. that will reduce the level of condensation somewhat.
condensation occurs in every setup that im aware of. the difference is that with gennys, it generally doenst roll back into the tank for you to vape later as it mixes with your juice. i see this as a good thing as vaping backwash usually isnt too high on peoples lists of things to do.

 

[vapdivrr]

I have a thicker wick now and I'm still getting a lot of condensation. It gives the normal hsss sound. I think the issue is that I stop drawing on it right after I let go of the power button. My coil gives off a little bit of residual vapor that hangs around in the top cap area afterwards and causes a lot of condensation. I draw on it for a couple more seconds after letting off the button to clear the top cap area and that seems to help, but I don't like doing that. Is this because of my 1.2 ohm 28ga SSmesh setup? It is still so hot after I let go of the button that the vapor continues. Is there anyway to stop that? Any other tips would be great, thanks.

although I vape ceramic now, I used to vape ss mesh exclusively, my usual set-up's were all 28g and resistances between 0.8 to 1.3/ 500 mesh rolled super tight with hardly any center hole. I always hit the power button a second before drawing but release the button at the same time I stop drawing. never had to much condensation, just a little, and don't think it got to a point where it was enough to seep back into the tank or roll over to the O-rings. slight condensation is normal, but it seems like your getting to much. do you use a straw type wick where you have a good sized channel through it? if so as you tilt you could be getting some extra juice spilling down which could be fixed by pinching the top of the wick. its also possible that's its just the juice, some juices may have a higher content of water then others, but this is just an opinion.

 

[Kevin Brown]

i get condensation but only when its a hot summer day, on colder days i get lots of condensation.

its a natural process through the airhole

i use a 510-t or CE5 when out and about

every one of these unit gives off a little condensation
the genesis or rba's bridgeless, do it better..

I prefer it out the unit's tank then to have it in the units tank, changing juice flavor ever so lightly
a small micro drip on top of a 510 connector like a 510 bridged style unit does..

lol

 

[Viluxia]

Im also suffering from this, like the top cap is drenched in juice, if i leave it more than a day it starts to come out of the airhole and eventually gets past the oring on my AC9, latley ive been using SS rope in it, but before that with the mesh it also happened - it always hissed and rarely popped or spit when vaping too, is it the juice? im using 50/50 so might be the high VG content?

 

[Sero]

Still getting this issue after trying different setups and thing people have recommended in this thread. All the juice that accumulates is from condensation not leakage from the tank. I even take an extra draw after finishing my initial draw to clear residual vapor from the tank, yet I still get build up. I don't really see or hear anything abnormal when I fire it. It is a Noble 1 small chamber genesis. Room temp is around 75F/24C. Is there anything else I can do about this, or am I just going to have to get used to wiping it down twice a day? Is this type of thing normal for genesis users? I Appreciate any input.

 

[pdib]

see, in your pic there, where the holes in the deck are "pushing" the juice away? when those countersunk holes were machined, I'm thinkin', the metal formed an imperceptible rise around their rims. I'd be sanding that down. Then the juice can find it's way back into the tank.

Ack! maybe not, tho. Probably not.

 

[vapdivrr]

I have seen one fill hole open but two? also one looks pretty large? is there any chance that juice is leaking out of these openings and reaching the wick? have you tried plugging up one of those? not sure if that's the case, it just looks quite different having that much open.

 

[jasl90]

I've got the same mod. The top deck is anodized. You DO NOT want to mod it in any way, shape, form or fashion... Unless you have the resources to have it re-anodized.

I too had the leaking issues when I first jot my hands on it... The o-rings around the tank leaked and was getting juice down the center post, onto the battery. I was able to get it all fixed up and it stays dry as a bone now. Here's what I did...

1) Took it completely apart and gave it a good cleaning.
2) Replaced the stock tank o-rings with slightly large ones (same thickness, just larger diameter, so they didn't have to stretch as much.
3) Cut off the original heat shrink off the center post and replaced it thicker heat shrink and sized it to fill the entire length of the tank post. Also made sure that the bottom of the heat shrink made a seal with the bottom o-ring.
4) When reassembling, I did not use any juice to lubricate the o-rings. Make it tough to get the glass on but made for a good seal. Also, when reassembling the post, you want to make sure the nuts that secure the post are tight but not so tight that it deforms the top o-ring.
5) When putting the top cap on, wipe out the inside of the cap and wipe down the o-ring that holds it on. The dryer it is, the better seal it will make.

Lastly, if you're getting juice building up on the deck, to the point where it's coming out the hole... Spin the mod so the air hole is pointed up or to the side and vape it that way until you get dry hits.

HTH...

 

[pdib]

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