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Wow - thank you, Alice! I have copied and pasted the replies from you and nerak to my Reo info file. Considering our 18490s are jatoba/curly maple and oak/wenge, I think I'll just give them a rub-down as suggested and share my metal mini with my spousal unit when both of us are Jacuzzi-ing and/or playing with our horses. Then, on to a metal 18490 later - patience, patience ;) The insides of ours aren't stained with juice so far, because I've used a little alcohol on the spills immediately. The waxing is the ticket because I was concerned about drying the wood out with the alcohol.
And, oh my, I can't imagine what tasting Howard's would be like, as good as it smells. So, a special thanks for helping me avoid it!

The Mini is a perfect barn buddy, especially with a carto :) :

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The way I see it that Rob is on his future REO bestseller. For miniscule increase in mini’s size the new mod will almost double the mini’s infamously short battery life. If there is any complaint about the mini it is that it requires a bag of charged batteries on hand.

I don’t chain vape, but to go thru 3ml bottle I need to swap battery at least 8-10 times (using 1.5 ohm cartos). That relegates my mini strictly to light, office desk duty where charger is under constant supervision and swapping batteries is not an issue. But such a sturdily build, all mechanical, water, drop etc resistant mod should be delegated to heavy duties – I’d rather carry mini than Grand on my neck lanyard when kayaking or riding bike, driving car for several hours. The new metal 18490 should just fit perfect for situations like this.

As for button choice I’d suggest that Rob makes both variants and see what customers prefer. Mechanical switch should be more reliable and possibly last longer, electrical should be more comfortable. In my experience in field of testing and fixing complex electronic systems, 80% of faults are wiring/interconnect related. Even though the couple of wires could hardly be called complex, potential to fail due to broken wire, cold solder joint is higher than bending a steel spring.

And lastly while I’m on the rant – there is renewed discussion here about REO buttons, mashing it, not being on/off, new delrin button covers (I sure want one), but I don’t see many complaints about that rather sharp button top edge. To be honest, this is my main gripe with REO. Every time I press it I’m aware of that damned edge. 0.1 mm chamfer, or even better a fillet would do the trick IMO. There are lots of chamfered and filleted edges on the body; Rob should have the tooling to fillet that button a little.
Anyway, once these metal 18490’s are out, I’ll sure be out to get one (or two).:vapor:
 

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Oh - very nice mlinky! I am a carto fan, so good to go... What did you have to do to attach the lanyard?
And what flavor are your horses? The two in my avatar are my TWH mares, mom (my heart) and daughter (my cutie).

Love TWH's. I have Saddlebreds. Here's my boy:

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My heart horse went to the rainbow bridge 10 years ago. I think of him every day. :)

Rob modified the Mini for me by drilling a hole in the side and attaching a ring with nylon cord.

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Love TWH's. I have Saddlebreds. Here's my boy:

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My heart horse went to the rainbow bridge 10 years ago. I think of him every day. :)


Rob modified the Mini for me by drilling a hole in the side and attaching a ring with nylon cord.

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What a beauty he is! I don't show - we just trail ride... we have a Missouri Foxtrotter rescue (my spousal unit's) and two mini donkeys also.
Can I say, though I can't know the depth of your loss, I will tell you I am sure my heart horse will be there and in my head every day from now, until...
So, hugs to you...
 

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I don’t chain vape, but to go thru 3ml bottle I need to swap battery at least 8-10 times (using 1.5 ohm cartos).

That sounds impossible. Check your batts. I am vaping 3mls/day with Cisco LR Attys. And I have to change the batt just once a day. I'm using AW IMR 14500

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That sounds impossible. Check your batts. I am vaping 3mls/day with Cisco LR Attys. And I have to change the batt just once a day. I'm using AW IMR 14500

Yours Fippes

I think most of us go through 3-5 AW IMR 14500 per 3 ml bottle using an 1.5 ohm atty. That's what has been reported over and over again for almost a year, since many reporting REOnauts changed over to using the AW IMR instead of protected.

Some of my AW IMR 14500, in rotation by two of us, are starting to drop some so they need to be changed more frequently than the new(er) ones.

Of course the "use" one gets from the AW IMR 14500 is dependent on several things, most generally the ohm rating of the atty/carto, the type of atty/carto (some atty/cartos seem to go through more juice than others) the age of the battery, ones tolerance for lowered voltage as charge is used up.

I would say that if it takes 8-10 batteries for 3 ml there might be an issue with the batteries charging to full capacity. A fully charged AW IMR 14500 should come off the charger at about 4.2 volts.

Also, there is a surprisingly huge difference in how a few 0.x ohms difference can change how fast or slowly the battery charge is used up. For instance, I get a lot more satisfying vape time from a battery using an IKV 2.0 306 than I do from an IKV 1.5 ohm 306, same juice, same REO. Many people report that the vape has changed enough for them to put in new battery once the voltage falls to 3.7. I have found that to be true, too.

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That sounds impossible. Check your batts. I am vaping 3mls/day with Cisco LR Attys. And I have to change the batt just once a day. I'm using AW IMR 14500

Yours Fippes

I have to disagree to a certain extent. I think its possble that so many battery changes can be made with the 14500 battery even if the batteries are in good shape. I use the IMR 18650 battery and I change them out 3 or 4 times a day so its possible that someone might change 14500s 8-10 times a day. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. Some people like the vape warm and as the battery depletes its voltage drops off causing the wattage (heat) to the atomizer to drop off. This results in the cooler vape thus a change to a freshly charged battery. This results in that satisfying hit that the new battery delivers. Some people don't seem to mind the drop off in wattage but some people seem particularly sensitive to it.
 

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Since we're talking horses I have to jump in here since I too am a horse lover and former horse owner. Here is my Buzz, Quarter Horse. We did a lot of train riding when I had him. I really miss him. Click for larger pic.


Handsome guy, tmcase - they settle themselves deep in you... hugs to you, too...
 

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I have to disagree to a certain extent. I think its possble that so many battery changes can be made with the 14500 battery even if the batteries are in good shape. I use the IMR 18650 battery and I change them out 3 or 4 times a day so its possible that someone might change 14500s 8-10 times a day. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. Some people like the vape warm and as the battery depletes its voltage drops off causing the wattage (heat) to the atomizer to drop off. This results in the cooler vape thus a change to a freshly charged battery. This results in that satisfying hit that the new battery delivers. Some people don't seem to mind the drop off in wattage but some people seem particularly sensitive to it.

I normally have a couple of REOs going but past week or so I've been using only one, a Grand with a new 1.7 Resurector. I change out the 18650 at least twice a day, but usually three times. Although they are about a year old, I am the only one using them, I normally have at least one other REO going, they are eight in number, so they don't have an excessive amount of charge/use cycles despite their age. I vape at least 3 ml a day and up to 6ml on a heavy vaping day.

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I have to disagree to a certain extent. I think its possble that so many battery changes can be made with the 14500 battery even if the batteries are in good shape. I use the IMR 18650 battery and I change them out 3 or 4 times a day so its possible that someone might change 14500s 8-10 times a day. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. Some people like the vape warm and as the battery depletes its voltage drops off causing the wattage (heat) to the atomizer to drop off. This results in the cooler vape thus a change to a freshly charged battery. This results in that satisfying hit that the new battery delivers. Some people don't seem to mind the drop off in wattage but some people seem particularly sensitive to it.

That's the camp that I'm from.. For me there's nothing like a REO vape with a fresh battery right out of the charger, and for the longest time I thought there was something wrong with my vaping style because I was burning through batteries so quick. But I realized that with the 1.5 attys I'm using, that battery depletes much quicker than with say a 2.0, and for me it's very unsatisfying after I've been on the same battery for a while. I am usually changing out my 18650's at least twice a day in the grand, the 18490's at least twice (if not 3 times a day) in the midi, and the 14500's are replaced at least 4 times in the mini. FWIW, I'm going through approx 6ml a day on average.

Rob, any chance of a 26650 REO? You could call it the REO Ultimate. :laugh:
 

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I have to disagree to a certain extent. I think its possble that so many battery changes can be made with the 14500 battery even if the batteries are in good shape. I use the IMR 18650 battery and I change them out 3 or 4 times a day so its possible that someone might change 14500s 8-10 times a day. I vape about 3 to 4 mls a day. Some people like the vape warm and as the battery depletes its voltage drops off causing the wattage (heat) to the atomizer to drop off. This results in the cooler vape thus a change to a freshly charged battery. This results in that satisfying hit that the new battery delivers. Some people don't seem to mind the drop off in wattage but some people seem particularly sensitive to it.

ltrainer pretty much nailed it.

I bought two brand new AW 14500, they could've been too old or not stored properly... I never used 14500 before, so I thought such a short life is "normal". I'm using Pila IBC charger and batteries come off charged @4.2V. When I feel decreased performance my batteries are usually at 3.6, sometimes 3.7V. I probably am one of those sensitive people for drop off in wattage - I was vaping Provari for more than a year and as you all know the battery hit is the same regardless of voltage until it reaches cut-off (battery low 3.5V) threshold. Not so with unregulated REO, the hit with the freshly charged battery is far stronger and then slowly deteriorates.

I actually wanted to start a new thread on this (mini +14500 batts) topic. How you experienced reonauts handle the battery rotation? Use two and keep them charging one at the time and swapping them till they are run to ground and then buy new pair?
Or you have more and keep regularly rotating them, which probably would require some sort of identification mark for each battery?
Or perhaps rotate one pair for week, then give it a break and use another pair following week? That's sounds like the way I should be going.

Sound advice would be much appreciated. (I hope I'm not hijacking this thread though, if so new thread can be started)
 

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I have a plastic case that I store them in, 14500 and 18490, on their sides, in a channel that is just the right fit for them. We, DH and I, take from the front, and put newly charged ones in the back as they are charged. I do mark them with date. DH loses one or two, a month, usually leaving them in the Hotel or Rental cars, So every few months I buy 3-4 new ones. He flys out of town every week for a few days. I've started marking the newly purchased ones, with metalic marker, silver for the last purchase and gold for the purchase I'm making this week. He always takes the newest so he doesn't have to use the charger. He's "misplaced" two chargers in the past year.

When we change out batteries, and are going to be here, we put them directly on the charger. Because we only vape them down to about 3.7 or so, they charge back up pretty fast. If we aren't going to be here we lay them crosswise on the chargers to remind us to charge them when one or both of us get back in.

If we are both gone while batteries are charging the last person to leave unplugs the charger. Li-ion batteries don't suffer from "memory effect" so it doesn't mess up the charging if you interrupt it and start it back up again. Also, it's good to charge them before they run too far down. It is supposed to help with longevity.

A few of mine are almost a year old. I have only had to retire one AW IMR to recycle. It was a year old and, although it did charge up to 4.2 volts, it drained, with use faster than we like. After a while most people will learn when the voltage drops below what they like for their best vape and take them out to charge without even needing to check the voltage. This also applies to Li-ions as they age. The voltage drops faster as they get older.

One, but not the only guage of "life" of the battery is based on number of charge/use cycles. A Lithium chemistry battery that is stored properly and topped up regularly, and not allowed to get drained to low, should, in theory, last much longer than one that is used and charged frequently.

By using the very simple system we use all of the batteries have about equal use/charge cycles.

Alice

{edit} For the two of us 14 is a good number. He usually takes six with him out of town, in addition to fresh one in his Mini, and usually comes home with at least two that are not used. (Last week he took eight and I don't know why, but I had five here. He doesn't do much vaping, during the day, while at work. He does carry a charger just in case, like if a flight is cancelled or he has to work late and has to take a flight out the next day.
 
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That's the camp that I'm from.. For me there's nothing like a REO vape with a fresh battery right out of the charger, and for the longest time I thought there was something wrong with my vaping style because I was burning through batteries so quick. But I realized that with the 1.5 attys I'm using, that battery depletes much quicker than with say a 2.0, and for me it's very unsatisfying after I've been on the same battery for a while. I am usually changing out my 18650's at least twice a day in the grand, the 18490's at least twice (if not 3 times a day) in the midi, and the 14500's are replaced at least 4 times in the mini. FWIW, I'm going through approx 6ml a day on average.

Rob, any chance of a 26650 REO? You could call it the REO Ultimate. :laugh:
The year is young I have 3 new mods on the table. I will squeeze another mod or two in before the year ends
 
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