Michael Jackson

[denec]

And I will tell you, NOBODY is immune to child molestation charges. Not even Michael Jackson. You speak from medial pablum. I speak from personal experiance in the matter. Jackson would have been convicted if the charges were true. Procecutors do not let this **** go.

First off, Jackson had every reason to put alarms in his house. He was a very high profile person, with a lot of money and property. He couldn't even safely walk down the isle of his local supermarket to grab a bag of chips if he wanted to. The alarm systems were warrented. His house would have been a very profitable "hit" to someone who wanted to rob it. Alarms were warrented in his situation. Yeah, sure, he put in all those alarms to let him know that someone was sneaking by his bedroom so he can stop sucking that little boys c*ck. Yeah, that's it.

And second, many parents seemed to not have any problems with their kids sleepovers with Jackson. It was just the few dirtbags that wanted to make quick buck and claim Jackson was a diddler.

So, where is the evidence to convict?

(E-CIGS ARE BAD! THEY CONTAIN LIQUID NITROGYN AND OTHER STUFF I CAN:T TYPE! I'M THE MEDIA, SO IT MUST BE TRUE!)

See where I'm getting at now?

And prosecutors just don't "drop" pedophile cases like this. I don't care who you are.

Trust me, if I thought Jackson was a pedophile, I'd be in here with both fists in both barrels. You can be rest assured on that. Unless I can be proved otherwise, Jackson is innocent.

Unless you read something in the "National Enquirer" that would sway my judgement.

Like I said, GROW UP AMERICA. Sprout a set and get away from that damned government run TV.

it is called double jeopardy cannot be tried twice for the same crime

 

[denec]

If any judge thought he was truly guilty do think he would have been allowed to keep those 3 young kids of his? If there was the slightest doubt he may be guilty those kids would have been taken immediately, money or no money. Why has there never been any mention of weather or not his own kids were safe living with him? If there were such solid evidence he would be in prison instead of dead.

I don't think you know how a court system works do you?

My point is he went through the court system and a trial they found him not guilty...but he was only found not guilty because he had so much money and was able to pay off all the right people including witnesses who would testify to the evidence

since he was found not guilty the judge had no choice



what you don't get when you have money and a superceleb you can get away with murder like OJ


substitute michael jackson for you r normal joe smo who has no money and did what michael jackson did and i guarantee he would have been found guilty...only difference one has money and celeb status other does not

 

[E-gazm E-liquid]

If Michael loved kids so much......where where the little girls?

 

[BigJimW]

I don't think you know how a court system works do you?

My point is he went through the court system they found him not guilty...but he was only found not guilty because he had so much money and was able to pay off all the right people to tamper the evidence

since he was found not guilty the judge had no choice

denec, you speak a lot of legal knowitall.

Can you provide us, like evidence and not Internet bullsh*t, that Jackson was guilty? I have no desire to hear what the National Enquirer or FOX news has to say. Lets see some cold hard evidence..

And before you do this, just to warn you, I do know how the court system works. You obviously don't. You're just feeding off the media like all the other plankton.

So, feel free to present the evidence of your mindful conviction. I'm calling you out. Please, tell us. If not, either ...., or give something. Right now you're nothing more than a media mind ..... to me.

So, what is your evidence? Present it.

 

[tikva]

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If Michael loved kids so much......where where the little girls?

Telling a global audience today, through her tears, at her father's memorial service, that she had the "best Daddy you can imagine..." and how much she loved him...

 

[Kate51]

I gotta jump in too, the Memorial was very touching, he was part of some superb shows and music. That said, I think he was painfully tormented mentally, but his kids did worship him. That was the most touching thing of all.
Reading through all the posts, you all do realize we are being racists?? He was the best artist of all times//strike//best Black artist of all time. Wait....Sammy Davis JR was pretty cool. The junkyard guy was a hoot, didn't dance though. C'mon. Barack Obama owes his presidency to MJ. (?) According to the Rev. Jackson. These guys can sure get a little carried away. To the Power and all that. They all gotta jump on that wagon.

 

[sMuCk_fOg]

Care to share? We live in a country that wants to see evidence, and not the **** on Fox news, either. They just want dirt, and not facts. What ever is left of this island called the United States must have something left to it.

I'm sorry, but we don't lynch ni**ers near the tallest oak trees anymore on a whim because some poor ol' rich white girl ran down the street crying RAPE! The .... used to do that sh*t. There's something now called "due process" in this country, which, some sadly, in this forum lacks any grasp of.

What I'm seeing now here from most posts is nothing more than the Internet version of a public lynching. Did he even get a cigarette?

And cowed by the media that is your thought control. Media justice before Due Process.

Sweet! On more step down the toilet for Amerika.!

I've seen a couple posts on this subject where you mention race,but if you think that's what this is REALLY about ,I think you must be almost as sick as that human turd was.

 

[dawnlori]

My heart is sad for the entire family and all they have endured. The media.....it made Michael into a superstar then a superfreak. Build it up then tear it down, whatever is selling at the moment. So sad that such talented people that supposedly have it all are so tormented in their personal lives. I do believe that MJ had some severe emotional issues but child molestation was not one of them. The ..... that sent her kid to sleepover at Neverland after all the accusations were flying is the one that should have been on trial. What were her 'intentions' with allowing this? I know that as I get older I have grown to HATE the media. Their BS, onesided, whatever sells, crap that SOME people prefer to believe without ever using their own common sense is a sad commentary on the intelligence level of our society.

 

[Houdini]

I don't think you know how a court system works do you?

My point is he went through the court system and a trial they found him not guilty...but he was only found not guilty because he had so much money and was able to pay off all the right people including witnesses who would testify to the evidence

since he was found not guilty the judge had no choice



what you don't get when you have money and a superceleb you can get away with murder like OJ


substitute michael jackson for you r normal joe smo who has no money and did what michael jackson did and i guarantee he would have been found guilty...only difference one has money and celeb status other does not

Yeah right. He paid off all the judges that heard about the case. Paid off every witness. Paid the cops AND paid off the entire DA's office that were determined to see him go to prison. I think you are the only one that knows all of this. I've never even heard that stretch mentioned in the tabloids. I don't think YOU know how the court system works. You know how much trouble witness tampering can cause. The DA would be on trial along with the judge if that kind of **** was going on. Give it up dude. Child abuse is a very serious matter and if he was guilty he would have been found guilty.

 

[Kate51]

My heart is sad for the entire family and all they have endured. The media.....it made Michael into a superstar then a superfreak. Build it up then tear it down, whatever is selling at the moment. So sad that such talented people that supposedly have it all are so tormented in their personal lives. I do believe that MJ had some severe emotional issues but child molestation was not one of them. The ..... that sent her kid to sleepover at Neverland after all the accusations were flying is the one that should have been on trial. What were her 'intentions' with allowing this? I know that as I get older I have grown to HATE the media. Their BS, onesided, whatever sells, crap that SOME people prefer to believe without ever using their own common sense is a sad commentary on the intelligence level of our society.

Didn't she accuse the MJ side of holding them hostage for awhile? Not much came of that, I guess she couldn't prove it. All that aside, we will never know for sure now, unless he left a tell-all book or video or something. However all that happened, it was a jury who could not convict, so we'll have to go with that. I also don't see race as a part of all that, with all due respect, the only racism I see is coming from the "rac-ee's" right now. Like the Rev.Al, or for instance. If you say something over and over and loud enough, it must be true. Plus, it's a d@mn nice way to get your face on TV, and get your base fired up again........Oh, and by the way, speaking of media, they were all there today, speaking softly with reverence. Very touching.

 

[taukimada]

wow... what a sad state of affairs...

i can answer a few questions that were asked... i just read this whole thread tho.. and have no intention of going back to find the queries and be specific.. so i'm going to generalize...

BEING a victim of molestation... i can state from my ACTUAL experience.. that child predators DO make sure that children like them... BUT.. they would NEVER publicly leave themselves open to the accusations. it is a crime perpetuated in silence and hiding.

somebody asked what kind of guy would have sleepovers with children.. allow them to sleep in the same bed.. watch porn with them.. talk about .........ion... i have an answer for you.. a man who never was a child until he grew old enuff to have a childhood of his own... one must remember.. this is a man who was FORCED to be an adult since he was 5 years old.. i don't deny his choices may have been in poor taste.. but does that REALLY automatically equal the intent to harm? when you were a teenager didn't you and your friends joke/laugh/experiment with all the same things? didnt you ever have a sleepover?

i dont believe even for one second that michael jackson was a pedophile.. i agree he made some bad choices.. but they were only bad on the sense it was socially tabboo because of our own ineptitude at understanding who he was and his intentions..

for the haters... go ahead.. feel free to hate.. i'm not going to even try to fool myself into believing that there is any way whatsoever to break through your ignorant and hateful tiny minds and find an iota of intelligent spark of understanding...

yeah.. basically i said it.. so let's not beat around the bush... GO F**K yourself!

 

[Kate51]

BEING a victim of molestation... i can state from my ACTUAL experience.. that child predators DO make sure that children like them... BUT.. they would NEVER publicly leave themselves open to the accusations. it is a crime perpetuated in silence and hiding.

taukimada,
If the above statement is true, IMHO, your statement is conditional and in a way also contradictive.
Sooner or later a child who's been molested may or may not make it known to someone. Unless a child is very very young, they know something isn't right, even if they don't have the language to explain it in adult terms. Secrecy has a way of worming itself into the open anytime two parties are involved. Especially if the child trusted that adult and found out later he/she was lied to or manipulated for the other's personal pleasure. Fear of reprisal has a way of fading and truth can prove to be compelling.
Usually one of the parties is at a distinct disadvantage, and either can't express abuse or can't prove any abuse. I would take the word of say a four-year-old over a 40-year-old, or even a 12-year-old. However, the four-year-old can be coached or erroneously questioned by a third party, for obvious reasons, if that's the case the toddler is again a victim. Your last verbal outburst, however, is a little unnecessary and quite over the line, makes me think thou doth protest too much. I don't understand why you would be so closed to certain possibilities, especially as a proclaimed victim. There always is a doubt left when these allegations are made, even if they are not proven to a judge or jury. It's called fruit of a tainted tree. One can never recover innocence. I also must say, MJ created his own special demons, and did voice the opinion that it's ok for a forty-something "man" to sleep with children. That, taukimada, is never ok, if those kids are someone else's!

 

[ladybug]

Well! My goodness! I hope its done and over. I was so irritated today because every channel had M. Jackson on,it drove me nuts! I also keep hearing how Calif. taxpayers are going to end up with the tab. Not cool! I think he was a great artist,but thats as far as I go. It sure did not warrent a whole week of this crap. He is still dead,and I am sick and tired of the media,they do not even report the news anymore! They act like a dog with a bone,and will not let it go.I hope the media can find something worthwhile to report on and stop this nonsense.

 

[taukimada]

taukimada,
If the above statement is true, IMHO, your statement is conditional and in a way also contradictive.
Sooner or later a child who's been molested may or may not make it known to someone. Unless a child is very very young, they know something isn't right, even if they don't have the language to explain it in adult terms. Secrecy has a way of worming itself into the open anytime two parties are involved. Especially if the child trusted that adult and found out later he/she was lied to or manipulated for the other's personal pleasure. Fear of reprisal has a way of fading and truth can prove to be compelling.
Usually one of the parties is at a distinct disadvantage, and either can't express abuse or can't prove any abuse. I would take the word of say a four-year-old over a 40-year-old, or even a 12-year-old. However, the four-year-old can be coached or erroneously questioned by a third party, for obvious reasons, if that's the case the toddler is again a victim. Your last verbal outburst, however, is a little unnecessary and quite over the line, makes me think thou doth protest too much. I don't understand why you would be so closed to certain possibilities, especially as a proclaimed victim. There always is a doubt left when these allegations are made, even if they are not proven to a judge or jury. It's called fruit of a tainted tree. One can never recover innocence. I also must say, MJ created his own special demons, and did voice the opinion that it's ok for a forty-something "man" to sleep with children. That, taukimada, is never ok, if those kids are someone else's!

if you note..... i did not defend what he did.. i simply put it into perspective... even noted that i agrred that it was bad decision making.. but i understood...

i also never claimed that i was closed-minded to any other options as to the whys and such.. i just dont believe it.. and i feel that without proof.. the accusations being thrown out by third parties in such a venomous way is nothing less than hate for the sake of hate.. you think he was a pedophile.. fine.. you are entitled to that.. there's no proof.. there's alot more that points to the fact of the whole issue being people seeing a way of gaining a fortune at someone's expense.. either way... the man is dead.. he made mistakes.. but he ALSO did ALOT of good to the world.. is there really reason for people that had nothing to do with him whatsoever to show up and be hateful?

as to my final statement.. where and when is it suppossed to be over the line to hate the hater?.. it's ok for them to be haters.. hate people "just because".. thier indignance is perfectly fine to thrust upon others.. but to return the sentiment is "over the line"?

if you are going to try to get inside my head.. it may behoove you to read the words AS WRITTEN and not try putting your own meaning to them

 

[Kate51]

Woops, Ladybug, brace yourself, the toxicology results will be in within a couple weeks! Here we go again! Remember the Smith lady, that's still in the grinder too. Good Lord.

 

[Kate51]

taukimada
Ok, here goes.....

you think he was a pedophile

I didn't say that. That is your assumption. I said he was not convicted.

if you are going to try to get inside my head.. it may behoove you to read the words AS WRITTEN and not try putting your own meaning to them

That is what I understood you were saying. The words as you spoke them have certain meaning to me. If that was not the right decipher, you need to change your wording, not my interpretation. That's the lovely thing about language, it's an interpretive skill. I was commenting only on the part of your statement I quoted, not MJ's personal mindset. Who in their right mind would try to do that! And as for getting into your head, I'm quite sure a couple sentences would not be sufficient pathways, I just took your words as spoken. The last three words you wrote were over the line. End of message.

 

[ladybug]

To me,and I think most"normal" people,it is weird for a 40+ man to be sleeping with young boys! Would you leave your kids overnight with him? Not me! By the way,I never heard of little girls in his bed,only little boys.

 

[Kate51]

To me,and I think most"normal" people,it is weird for a 40+ man to be sleeping with young boys! Would you leave your kids overnight with him? Not me! By the way,I never heard of little girls in his bed,only little boys.

Good Point!
By the way, is your avitar a pic of you and ? daughter? Nice..

 

[taukimada]

To me,and I think most"normal" people,it is weird for a 40+ man to be sleeping with young boys! Would you leave your kids overnight with him? Not me! By the way,I never heard of little girls in his bed,only little boys.

i agree it was wierd... and even though i NOW understand the suppossed intent.. and thusly can forgive the "mistake" of it.. my anger is MUCH more directed at the parents.. because you are absolutely correct... MY children would NEVER be spending the night at neverland without MY supervision.. and MOST DEFINATELY would not sleep in the same bed as a 40 year old man.. other than myself of course.. and i dont care WHO that man is

if the accusations hadn't started the onslaught of instant hatred towards him... mayhaps it might have been easier to get across to mr jackson that the behaviour was "improper"? because he quite obviously did NOT understand that when asked about it in interview

 

[taukimada]

chose not to edit... sry

meant to point out.. even when i was 10.. 11 years old.. it was already improper for me to do overnights in the same bed as girls..

to me the lack of stories of girls in the bed simply shows that he had a childlike sense of right and wrong. he, like any other 10 year old boy.. would see no problem with other boys bunking with him in the same bed.. but the idea of a girl.... my god that's disgusting... she'd want to talk about... GOD FORBID... GIRL things

bear in mind... my biggest problem with the hatred of the man is the simple fact of wanting to crucify the guy for what one THINKS he did vs what most likely really happened..