Might sell my 901

[paladinx]

I bought a 901, and to be honest, I never really used it. After browsing the forum and seeing how uncertain the health and safety aspects of e smoking are, I kind of lost interest and its been sitting int he box unused. Maybe that is foolish because i have been smoking regular cigarettes. The thing that bothered me is the liquids i heard were coming from china, and i dont know. I just dont feel too confident making this my new crutch when for all i know, this stuff can be just as bad, or maybe worse? So i spent like 80 dollars or so and its been sitting there. I think i should just sell it. Is there a safer liquid out now or anything? Something that has been tested more?

regards

 

[franklyspeaking]

You could try Johnson Creek. The juice is made here in the US and has been tested. You can find them here ---> Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice - The Best E-Liquid in the World - Made Right Here in America

 

[Elendil]

Honestly, sucking on the tailpipe of my car could hardly be considered less healthy than analogs. While nothing definitive is known either way when it comes to ecigs, do you really believe that you are exercising safer behavior by smoking cigs?

Hey, if ecigs are not for you, that's fine. To each his own, but don't give up on it for the reasons you are. I would encourage to ask your doctor for his/her opinion. Many here have gotten a thumbs up from their doc after explaining what they were doing with ecigs. Not because the doctors say it is "safe", but because it seems to be safer than what they were doing.

 

[ZambucaLu]

I bought a 901, and to be honest, I never really used it. After browsing the forum and seeing how uncertain the health and safety aspects of e smoking are, I kind of lost interest and its been sitting int he box unused. Maybe that is foolish because i have been smoking regular cigarettes. The thing that bothered me is the liquids i heard were coming from china, and i dont know. I just dont feel too confident making this my new crutch when for all i know, this stuff can be just as bad, or maybe worse? So i spent like 80 dollars or so and its been sitting there. I think i should just sell it. Is there a safer liquid out now or anything? Something that has been tested more?

regards

Seems you've had concerns about the safety of vaping for several months now Paladinx (going by older posts). Nobody can decide if this is for you but you. And like others, although my opinion is they are safer than analogs, we still don't really know how healthy they are in the long term.

So just make a decision for yourself. Either take the risk or don't. Nobody here can say "Oh yes....vaping is completely harmless....so vape away". We just don't know that.

Lu

 

[Klimpt]

One of the things that bothers me about e-cigs (in general I am sold on them in a big way and haven't smoked in 11 days hallelujia) is the mysterious generic pre-filled carts from China. I kinda have sympathy with OP on that. I have read tonnes and tonnes about the e-cig devices themselves, as well as the eliquids from various suppliers, but I have not read anything about those little orange generic carts for my 901. I just don't know enough about who makes them to be happy about them. And the quality of carts seems very dodgy - with my last batch I am getting about 3 good throat-hits per cart and then they seem to dry out and I get a nasty bitter burning taste. They are too expensive to be this inconsistent.

I would much rather get liquid from a less faceless source. For that reason, I'm phasing carts out and am going down the liquid route from someone who has ingredient lists (TW for example).

 

[asidrave]

not one person on these forums have gotten sick from vaping...

yes many have felt some sort of symptoms since they started vaping and quit smoking...the symptoms go away after a little time and a majority end up feeling a lot better.

also...how many people have died from a vaping-related illness?....im curious

 

[cosican]

I bought a 901, and to be honest, I never really used it. After browsing the forum and seeing how uncertain the health and safety aspects of e smoking are, I kind of lost interest and its been sitting int he box unused. Maybe that is foolish because i have been smoking regular cigarettes. The thing that bothered me is the liquids i heard were coming from china, and i dont know. I just dont feel too confident making this my new crutch when for all i know, this stuff can be just as bad, or maybe worse? So i spent like 80 dollars or so and its been sitting there. I think i should just sell it. Is there a safer liquid out now or anything? Something that has been tested more?

regards

I WOULD BE SICK OF THIS TOO, IF I PAID 80 DOLLARS FOR THE 901

But down to your comments and I apoligize for saying this, cos I do not want to come across rude or challenging

But for you to say, they might be as bad as (cigarettes) analogs, then I am afraid you are not on this planet. Analogs WILL WILL WILL KILL YOU
They will get you sick, I know, cos I am, they are awful, deadly disgusting, hazzardous, smelly, burning everything in sight, deadly deadly things. So, please do everything to get away from them If not vaping, then go to other inhalers, drugs, therapy, clinics, support groups, patches, gum it dont matter, but get those thing away from you

I will be dead in a matter of time, cos of cigarettes dont you

 

[evanstock]

I also recommend Johnson creek liquid. You can actually read the ingredients along with pronouncing each one, made in USA and registered with the FDA.

 

[Catanonia]

Sell it and move on.

Obviously not for you and you are not a risk tasker are you..





... Well apart from smoking real cigs that might be considered a PROPER and PROVEN risk.

 

[Loogie]

a lot of people as of late have been saying "This might be just as bad or worse than analogs...", which I can't seem to take seriously. I think some people just want a reason to go back to smoking cigarettes, and unfortunately, this is their scapegoat.

 

[Vapor Fiend]

I'll take that 901 off your hands, just snail mail it to me. PM me for more details

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I WOULD BE SICK OF THIS TOO, IF I PAID 80 DOLLARS FOR THE 901

But down to your comments and I apoligize for saying this, cos I do not want to come across rude or challenging

But for you to say, they might be as bad as (cigarettes) analogs, then I am afraid you are not on this planet. Analogs WILL WILL WILL KILL YOU
They will get you sick, I know, cos I am, they are awful, deadly disgusting, hazzardous, smelly, burning everything in sight, deadly deadly things. So, please do everything to get away from them If not vaping, then go to other inhalers, drugs, therapy, clinics, support groups, patches, gum it dont matter, but get those thing away from you

I will be dead in a matter of time, cos of cigarettes dont you

The above are the exact reasons I quit analogs and I will never touch another one. I am not very tempted very often anymore to want one, but when the tiny urge crosses my mind, I think of the exact thing above. It cures my small itch within a half a second.

 

[Klimpt]

a lot of people as of late have been saying "This might be just as bad or worse than analogs...", which I can't seem to take seriously. I think some people just want a reason to go back to smoking cigarettes, and unfortunately, this is their scapegoat.

I don't care anymore if e-smoking is as bad. It is cheaper, it doesn't make me stink, it doesn't make me cough, it tastes nicer. If I spout horns and drop dead in 10 years from ecigs, so be it. Would have happened with the cigs anyway.

 

[JustJulie]

I agree with those who say that if it doesn't feel right, then don't do it.

For me, I don't delude myself into thinking that vaping is "healthy." However, common sense tells me that it's just gotta be "healthier" than the alternative . . . analogs. If I honestly felt that I could simply quit--no smoking or vaping, I'd do it. But I've tried to quit smoking, and this is the only thing that keeps me off of the analogs.

So I vape, fully understanding that there are potential risks. But for me, when I weigh the unknown risks against the KNOWN risks of smoking tobacco, this is a no-brainer.

 

[paladinx]

Let me write some feedback for a minute. I do enjoy smoking cigarettes, plus i am totally addicted. If i am going to put my energy and money into converting habits or addictions into something else, I would just like more of a reassurance. To me it would be a waste to switch an addiction to something and that turns out to be just as bad as cigarettes.

I think there is a big misconception here. and i think part of the reason is the constant anti smoking campaigns that are out now. yes cigarettes are bad for you. There is no debating that, but I believe things are being taken way to an extreme. think about it logically for one minute.

yes there are tons and tons of people who die from smoking each year. but take a moment realistically to see who is dieing and getting diseases from cigarettes. They are usually older people who have been smoking heavily for the past 20, 30 40 plus years. if you look at the statistics, it really does take ALOT of cigarette smoking to cause significant problems. ON AVERAGE. there are exceptions like anything else. BUT AVERAGE. cigarettes are Long term killers. If you take a 2 pack a day smoker who has been smoking 25 years. Think about the amount of consumption they are at. Its pretty crazy! I think if you did anything that much it would start to kill you, try eating 5 packages of twinkies a day for 25 years and lets see if you do not get sick from it.


So my point is, sometimes the devil u know, is better then the devil u do not know. I know that cigarettes are bad, and i know that they are usually long term killers requiring ALOT of consumption for significant problems. in fact with cigarettes I think the main problem and why they are deadly killers is not necessarily the bad components of the cigarette, it is the ADDICTION that makes them deadly. People who are so addicted they are smoking 2 or more packs a day for years and years. If you only smoked a handful of cigarettes a week. I gurantee you that it would not cause u much harm. and if you believe that it would, you are simply being brainwashed by the propaganda. same way they used to show videos of someone taking a hit of weed and walking off a roof.

Now we know that if you smoke 2 packs a day for 10 years, 20 years 30 years, ur chances of diseases increase. you can get lung cancer, heart disease, etc. But what happens to an e-smoker smoking constantly for 10 years, 20 years? will it take so long for problems? Again point being. there are a lot of things out there, that if u consumed in quantities compared to a heavy cigarette smoker, they will kill you much quicker then a cigarette.

 

[paladinx]

oh and btw, what does it mean that johnsons creek is registered with the FDA, i thought the FDA did not regulate such things??

 

[Heed]

So my point is, sometimes the devil u know, is better then the devil u do not know. I know that cigarettes are bad, and i know that they are usually long term killers requiring ALOT of consumption for significant problems. in fact with cigarettes I think the main problem and why they are deadly killers is not necessarily the bad components of the cigarette, it is the ADDICTION that makes them deadly. People who are so addicted they are smoking 2 or more packs a day for years and years. If you only smoked a handful of cigarettes a week. I gurantee you that it would not cause u much harm. and if you believe that it would, you are simply being brainwashed by the propaganda. same way they used to show videos of someone taking a hit of weed and walking off a roof.

You said it yourself -- cigarettes are addictive. The reason there are a lot of heavy smokers (the ones you say are in danger) is that the product itself is designed to take the casual user (the ones you say are "safe") into the heavy user category.

And what? It's not the bad components of the cigarette that make them deadly? It's soley the addiciton? NO. It's the addiction which leads to heavier use which in turn leads to higher exposure to the bad components. You see how that all ties together? The bad components are bad -- period. Is it worse to be exposed to more than less of them -- yes, but that doesn't indicate that being exposed to less isn't harmful at all.

While no one can prove, long term, e-cigs are absolutely safe we certainly have short term data indicating the majority feel better switching to e-cigs.

We know the chemicals in the liquid and we know the mechanism by which they are aerosolized. Many people have spoken to their MD about e-cigs and some have even tracked health improvements (lowering of blood pressure) through their doctor's visits over time. I've seen quotes on this forum stating things like, "my doctor is delighted".

You can stick with the devil you know if you like. I'll stick with what my own body and mind tell me -- that the e-cig is either the lesser devil or no devil at all.

 

[entropic]

science, despite its political portrayl, is and never has been about testing and retesting it is however about employing rationality to work out how the world works.

Rationality dictates that vaping of e-cigarettes is not as dangerous as smoking - of course lots of testing would be nice, but frankly its not necessary to make an informed decision.

As for not liking stuff that comes from china, I take it you don't own a computer, radio, television, childrens toys, clothes or anything else since you might be electrocuted or somesuch.

 

[JustJulie]

So my point is, sometimes the devil u know, is better then the devil u do not know.

I think that many of us say that we KNOW that smoking tobacco is a "devil," but the jury is still out on e-cigs.

For me, I'm more afraid of the devil I DO know. My father, a cigarette smoker for years who finally quit but then picked up cigars, recently had a heart attack and has been diagnosed with bladder cancer. While no one can say with certainty the exact cause, it seems quite likely that smoking tobacco was the main culprit.

But to each their own. If you truly feel that vaping may be more dangerous than smoking tobacco, then vaping probably isn't for you. Hopefully when the testing begins in earnest, people will have more information so that more informed decisions can be made.

 

[shihab]

Paladinx,

I clearly remember seeing a US liquid supplier on the forum that mentioned using natural ingrediants. Of course, not really how much safer it supposed to be. Unfortunately can't remember the name, but maybe if someone here knows, they can give a link.