Military higher ups are pushing the negative ecig agenda, no matter the health costs!
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Not real bright considering the amount of smokers in the military. I can't remember how many times I heard "smoke em if you got em" Heck, they handed out packs of cigs during my first combat deployment back in 1989.
My batallion commander saw me showing my ego to another NCO in my unit the other day. For some reason, he looked at me like I was holding a crackpipe. My first sergeant calls it my one-hitter lol
E is for “easy to fool,” “effortless to fleece,” “eager to take your money”—and so it makes sense that E is also for electronic cigarette.
Thats the most idiotic, simplistic and illogical thing I think I might ever read.
Thats the most idiotic, simplistic and illogical thing I think I might ever read.
Oh just lovely. That has to be the most ignorant piece of crap journalism I've read in a long time. I love how the only e-cig vendor they even talked to was the CEO for Smoking Everywhere. No wonder the writer thinks it's a scam. This guy is just as much an idiot as the person who wrote the article.
"There are proven and safe alternatives for nicotine replacement therapy to help you stop smoking, such as the patch and gum, both of which are FDA approved and safe when used according to directions."
I tried the patch, the gum, and Zyban (which was just the anti-depressant Welbutrin cleverly marketed under a different and more expensive name.) Obviously, none of these approved NRT's worked for me because I always went back to smoking again. I LOVE how I got a pop-up while I was reading this asking me if I wanted to speak with a counselor about NRT. Are you kidding? I'll tell you what. You can have my eGo and my 510 PT when I've either kicked my nicotine addiction or when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands, which ever comes first.
"There are proven and safe alternatives for nicotine replacement therapy to help you stop smoking, such as the patch and gum, both of which are FDA approved and safe when used according to directions."
I tried the patch, the gum, and Zyban (which was just the anti-depressant Welbutrin cleverly marketed under a different and more expensive name.) Obviously, none of these approved NRT's worked for me because I always went back to smoking again. I LOVE how I got a pop-up while I was reading this asking me if I wanted to speak with a counselor about NRT. Are you kidding? I'll tell you what. You can have my eGo and my 510 PT when I've either kicked my nicotine addiction or when you can pry them from my cold, dead hands, which ever comes first.
Reading that just reminds me how ridiculous the govt can be some times.
I have not had any one say anything bad about my ecig, my First Sergeant and Commander think its pretty cool.
I have not had any one say anything bad about my ecig, my First Sergeant and Commander think its pretty cool.
Do you know just how tempted I was to hit yes when their pop up came up asking if I wanted to do a live chat with one of the quit smoking counselors? 
Some idiots cannot tell the difference between an essay and research.
The footnote:
1 The Health Consequences of Smoking: Nicotine Addiction; A Report of the Surgeon General, 1988.
If the Surgeon General made the statement based on research, then the footnote should lead the reader to that research. "Because I say so" does not equate to "proof."
The footnote:
1 The Health Consequences of Smoking: Nicotine Addiction; A Report of the Surgeon General, 1988.
If the Surgeon General made the statement based on research, then the footnote should lead the reader to that research. "Because I say so" does not equate to "proof."
I just love it when I read the FDA-approved products described as "proven" or "effective." Would anyone consider a measles vaccine to be effective if 90 to 95% of the patients given the vaccine developed measles?
Some chilling facts about those "proven" and/or "effective" NRT products, from a white paper written by the American Association of Public Health Physicians:
Side note: NRTs refers to the products that contain nicotine. Zyban and Chantix are not NRTs. Their success rate is slightly higher; however the majority of users relapse to smoking after they stop taking the medications.
You are not alone in having tried several quitting methods without success. In the survey of users conducted by the Tobacco Harm Reduction organization:
http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf
Regarding the number of tries, 66% tried 4 or more times to stop smoking, with 21% trying 10 times or more.
They have a message board too, but refuse to post any of my electronic cigarette information. I found the contact number and talked to them about it. They said it was spam...
Message Board at Quit Tobacco. Make Everyone Proud
Message Board at Quit Tobacco. Make Everyone Proud
I DID hit yes. Total waste of time. In a nutshell, vaping isn't FDA approved, and that justifies the misinformation.Do you know just how tempted I was to hit yes when their pop up came up asking if I wanted to do a live chat with one of the quit smoking counselors?
It becomes a scary thought when one begins to realize that the leaders of our Military forces are following blindly like sheep what the FDA tells them without question. 
I have called them twice, and just got done chatting with one of their reps. I believe it makes a difference to voice our concerns even to the little people. A leader cannot lead when all his followers decide his/her leadership is wrong.
I just contacted them with the above. I doubt they care however, their mind is already made up.
In the military they seem to do just that all the time. Not speaking from direct experience, but my longtime girlfriend spent a few years in the Air Force and she said there was definitely a status-quo of "doesn't matter how ridiculous or contradictory it may be, anyone with a higher rank than you is always right and you're always wrong"
Clipped from the article: "If you are thinking about using e-cigarettes as an alternative to smoking, or to help you stop smoking, it’s important to know that these nicotine delivery devices are not FDA approved for effectiveness or safety."
I can't remember, were my Marlboro 100 reds (my old nicotine delivery device) FDA approved for safety?
I can't remember, were my Marlboro 100 reds (my old nicotine delivery device) FDA approved for safety?
I don't mean to derail the thread here, but that comment gave me the biggest LOL!
Comment sent to site admin and message posted for the board. I doubt they'll approve the board message but, we'll see. It makes me ashamed to be afiliated with these idiots.
if you dig it's an anti-tobacco group that's running quit support for the DOD... of course that's going to be their response...
the same crap I expect from the ALA, campaign for tobacco free kids, ASH etc... just is a shame that they got the backing of the DOD...
the same crap I expect from the ALA, campaign for tobacco free kids, ASH etc... just is a shame that they got the backing of the DOD...
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