Mini Nova 2.4 ohm and 1.5 ohm DCT with Chrome Varitube problems? Pulse-Modulation?

Status
Not open for further replies.

j4mmin42

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jul 1, 2009
1,219
724
37
Arcata, Cali
I just got in my new Varitube, and it is a great mod for high-ohm cartos; My 3 ohm DCT's work very well on it at between 4.5 and 5.5 volts. But with my order today, I also got a 1.5 ohm DCT and a Mini Vivi Nova with replaceable heads (it comes with three, and has the 2.4 on there as stock).

So now let's get into some numbers: to start with, the Nova with the 2.4 ohm head, since it had more problems than the DCT. It originally showed a resistance of 2.7 ohms, and has since fallen to 2.5 with a small amount of use. I originally tried it at 4 Volts, which at 2.5 ohms give me only 6.4 watts- not too high. But the atty tastes like it is burning up! even when I bring it down to 3.7, and even 3.4 volts (4.6 watts @ 3.4v), I get the same "burning atty" hit from it. I know what a burning atty tastes like- I've been doing this a long, long time.

As far as the dual coil carto- I had to brush up on my maths a bit to get this right- but I understand that the 1.5 ohm dual coil is two 3 ohm coils in parallel- halving the power (watts) delivered to each one. Now, I again started using this one at 4 volts, yielding over 10.6 watts of power- and got the burnt atty taste after a few draws. I went all the way down to 3.4v, which was yielding 7.7 watts, or 3.85 WPC (watts per coil)- which is very low by my vaping standards. Again, I ended up with the horrible burning atty flavor after some time went by.

Originally I had thought that it may be either a juice flow problem- but I accounted for this by priming the Nova coil (as well as the twisting/turning tank dance), and time and again it did nothing to solve the issue. I also tried a few tricks on the DCT (releasing the vacuum inside the tank, taking some unpowered draws in between real draws, etc etc) and nothing worked. THEN...

...I dug a bunch of old E-cig stuff out of storage- although, out of hundreds or thousands of dollars spent over the years on the hobby, I found exactly (1) Battery-an old Ego 650 mah T from over a year and a half ago; its charger; an old 510 charger; and a 60ml bottle of pure VG. but this gave me an opportunity I didn't have before: a chance to try my new burny tanks on a regular, non-mod system (I have 2 mods nowadays, and that's all I use normally) AND THEY BOTH WORK GREAT ON THE OLD EGO!

Really, they do...it's like night and day. On a fully charged (albeit old) ego, which would nominally be running at 3.2 to 3.4v under load, I have two perfectly-working tanks. The wattage is somewhere around 4.6 watts on the Nova, and 7.7 watts overall/ 3.85 WPC on the DCT. I've had no burning taste, no problems with the juice flow, etc. And I chain vaped each for well over an hour or more while waiting for my new devices battery to recharge.

My guess: even with the same mathematical power, I have SEEN the pulse-width-modulation graph reading for the YJ Chrome Varitube- and while it is a really neat concept that surely puts out a great amount of power, it also *technically* runs at MUCH higher voltage for fractions of a second, every few fractions of a second- that's part of the way it fires. And I am thinking this is interfering with my lower-resistance coils. Any thoughts? Anyone having similar issues?

EDIT: thought I would mention that the DCT carto was PRIMED with 75 drops of liquid as per usual before use. That's just one more thing I wanted to get out of the way before someone asked the question. And, it did have a good chance to sit for awhile, as did the Nova tank.
 
Last edited:

Ctor

static void Main()
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 22, 2012
821
949
New Jersey
First, I have a YJ 2.0 chrome lavatube also, but from another vendor, vaporbeast. I use the novas and mini novas almost exclusively now. I vape with the 2.4 ohm head regularly between 3.7 and 4.8 on various juices, depending on my mood and the juice itself, and I am not getting dry hits except when I forget to tilt it for an extended number of hits (over 10).

Some questions:

Is the Nova a genuine Vision Vivi Nova? I ask because there are clones out there that vary from OK to aweful.

Are the head long wick or short, and how many strands of wick are there? My 2.4's are all long wick "dreadlock" style (4 separate ropes of wick on each side).

Is the draw very tight on the LT?

I don't do carto tanks, so I can't necessarily help you there.
 

j4mmin42

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jul 1, 2009
1,219
724
37
Arcata, Cali
The vivi nova tank is from litecig, as are the lavatube and DCT that I'm using. I am almost certain it is genuine-it came in a small black box that has the vision logo and "vivi nova" on the side. The quality of the tank seems great.

The wicks on mine are exactly like the wicks on yours. Also, I've tried some juice that was a 50/50 mix of PG/VG AND 100% VG as well.

The draw on my lavatube seems pretty standard- it's not a light draw at all- in fact, through the nova it seems to be a tighter draw than it is through a carto/dct system.
 

Ctor

static void Main()
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 22, 2012
821
949
New Jersey
Ok, I've used 50/50 and 60/40, but never tried all VG.

I checked out litecigusa and they appear to be genuine vision mini novas, and their vari-tube appears identical to mine.

You got me. The only thing I can think of is you're not getting enough draw on the nova. Try tightening it just enough to make contact and fire. It's a long shot, but it's the only thing I can think of since some stuff seems to work OK on the vari-tube.

ETA: Did you try the other heads? Maybe the wicks are being pinched on that one or maybe the head is defective?
 
Last edited:

j4mmin42

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jul 1, 2009
1,219
724
37
Arcata, Cali
As soon as the first atty head gives out, I'll swap in the high-ohm head and try that one. I have a feeling that it may just be a bit defective- so we'll see! Until then, it works just fine on my eGo batt- and if I'm gentle with it, it DOES seem to work on the VV mod at 3 to 3.2v- I just can't take 4-5 second draws on it constantly.

Yeah, it's one heck of a mystery, though.
 

j4mmin42

Unregistered Supplier
ECF Veteran
Jul 1, 2009
1,219
724
37
Arcata, Cali
Ok I have an update on the Nova Mini tank that was giving me problems: I think I have found the solution to that nasty burning taste!

Inside the guts of the atty head, there are three things: the wicks and the coil are the first two (obviously), and this doughnut/sleeve of fiber cloth-like material around the inside of the post. On my 2.4 ohm head that was giving me problems, the cloth-like material had obvios brown burns on it, and it didn't look like it was doing anything in particular except possible causing the source of the burning taste- so I carefully used a new pair of nail scissors to cut it in half, and a pair of tweezers to coax the pieces out between the coil. Be aware that if you mess up and pull on that coil, you may end up breaking or pulling the coil wires, in which case you'll need to replace the coil/wick assembly (which on these is apparently quite easy to do, if you have the materials at hand).

I went ahead and started vaping at 3.5v on the Chrome tube mod, and immediately I could tell that it was working much, much better than it had previously- not only was there no more burnt taste at all, but the flavor seems to come through much cleaner in general. After this, I incrementally turned up the power on the mod all the way up to 4.5v (we'll call it 8.3-8.4 watts est), and at that highest level of 4.5v, I *finally* got a bit of a burnt taste, but it was the juice this time- not the atomizer assembly.

So for anyone else out there who is having issues with your Nova tanks not tasting well at your preferred voltage, this is THE definitive fix that I've found. Remember, these are also really, really easy to rebuild (if you have the dexterity to do so), and so if you intend to learn how to wrap your own coils or are thinking about it, I might suggest modding one of yours as explained above so that you can gain an understanding of what the inside of an atty is like, and also the dexterity involved. I personally have not replaced my own coils and wicks yet, but after examining and modding this one, I've decided to go ahead and buy some Kanthal and wicking material so that I can try my hand at it. It actually looks kind of fun...Imho.

Ymmv. Don't blame me if you mess up your stock coil attempting this- I would NOT recommend trying to pull out the fiber sleeve without cutting it in half first, as you will *most likely* destroy your coil!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread