Mixing nic with existing e-juice?

[CthulhuSaves]

Hiya,


I'm fairly new to the vaping scene, and am learning a lot in a short time. One thing that had me stumped until recently had to do with what ingredients people used for mixing. I made the mistake of assuming "e-juice/e-liquid" could be purchased @ 0mg, then mixed with nicotine. Didn't know about the "proper" stuff that's actually used to make the final juice.

However, I did see a comment in a dedicated "mixing" forum talking about adding additional nic to an existing e-juice, and that got me wondering...

Has anyone ever actually tried to mix nic with pre-made, 0mg, flavored e-juice? I mean, apart from a bit of dilution of flavor (which maybe could be compensated for?), it seems like it could still work. As someone that's trying to ween myself off of nic entirely, but hasn't fully grasped the whole mixing scene, I really like the idea of possibly being able to use pre-mixed flavors that I could add less and less nic to over time, without having to mess with all the other steps (especially handling pure nic, which I'd rather avoid, especially with my clumsy mitts).

Opinions? Even better: Experiences?

 

[cconti]

No experience here, but I thought about the same thing. Part of me wants to mix my own flavors to get to the "perfect" juice. The other part of me prefers doing something else and just vape.

However, I would think that if you get 2 bottles of each flavor, one with 0 nicotine and one with whatever amount you think your math can handle, it should not be hard to mix your own slowly tapering nicotine juice.

What I was planning to do was to use one of the syringes I have for ink replacement in my ink-jet printer and one of the empty bottles of juice I am keeping.
I was planning to proceed as such:

1) Prepare supplies (Juice with 0mg., Juice iwth Xmg, siringe, empty bottle
2) Fire up the calculator (computers handily have one easily accessible but you could also use Excel to have a permanent record and make your own projection so each time you don't have to play mathematician)
3) Suck X amount of nicotine free juice, squirt in empty bottle
4) Suck relative amount of Xmg nicotine juice

Enjoy.

Sounds like a plan?
4)

 

[mwa102464]

Hiya,


I'm fairly new to the vaping scene, and am learning a lot in a short time. One thing that had me stumped until recently had to do with what ingredients people used for mixing. I made the mistake of assuming "e-juice/e-liquid" could be purchased @ 0mg, then mixed with nicotine. Didn't know about the "proper" stuff that's actually used to make the final juice.

However, I did see a comment in a dedicated "mixing" forum talking about adding additional nic to an existing e-juice, and that got me wondering...

Has anyone ever actually tried to mix nic with pre-made, 0mg, flavored e-juice? I mean, apart from a bit of dilution of flavor (which maybe could be compensated for?), it seems like it could still work. As someone that's trying to ween myself off of nic entirely, but hasn't fully grasped the whole mixing scene, I really like the idea of possibly being able to use pre-mixed flavors that I could add less and less nic to over time, without having to mess with all the other steps (especially handling pure nic, which I'd rather avoid, especially with my clumsy mitts).

Opinions? Even better: Experiences?

I believe this is why Geoff @ Tastyvapor.us has been selling his 2oz & 4oz doublers for a longgggggggggggggg time now, they make for great cost saving by adding your own Nic juice and they are a great deal as well.

 

[Chornbro]

Get your 5 posts and jump over to the mixing section : ) Im sure you'll find better info there!

 

[webbcm127]

your idea is good...alot of people do it, so take an empty bottle add X amout of ML.....then to decide what mg of nic you want you need to do a lil math but basically it if you have 24mg nic and 2ml of it and add 2ml of your juice then you have 12 mg nic flavored juice....sorry if your not following me completely but all you have to do is find the average of the two so you have desired strength, you can PM me if you need more details or have any questions

 

[ropetrick]

Yeah, I do it from time to time, especially when 0mg is the only available "strength." I have samplers I do this to, as well, and bottles I got from vendors' bargain sections here and there. And if your nic base is strong enough, the dilution is often negligible... at least for me. For example, I find undiluted Dekang juices sometimes a little much, frankly.

 

[jbmcdan]

you can certainly do stuff like that -- I'm starting to combine stuff and experiment. there's a great little free program called "ejuice me up" by breaktru software that I use. In the tools section there's a "nic combine" tool that helps you figure out what you'll get when you combine stuff.

 

[CthulhuSaves]

The problem I see in doing it this way is that both bottles (flavor and nic) are already mixed with a PG (or VG, or both) base, so combining them is effectively doubling that element for the final mix, thus diluting the flavor.

I've seen those calculators, but do any of them have seperate categories for distinguishing between raw "flavor extract" (100% flavoring "oil" --not really oil, but that's what they seem to be calling it) and regular e-liquids (pre-mixed flavors commonly bought with a range of 0-36mg nic and containing PG and/or VG)?

That's really what it boils down to, I suppose. Using pre-mixed elements that you want to combine and still get the ratios right, since by using both you're going to have duplication of certain components (mainly PG, as far as I can tell).

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I think you are making it more complicated than it needs to be....i.e. If you want to dilute from say a 24mg nic with flavoring and all the pg/vg....the easiest thing to do is buy the the exact same thing with 0 nic...mix the two together and get around 12mg nic.....you are in effect doubling your juice. 10ml of 24mg nic 50/50pg/vg and 10ml of 0 nic 50/pg/vg = 20 ml of 12mg nic 50/50 pg/vg

sas

 

[CthulhuSaves]

You're right, that's an angle I hadn't considered (thanks), but doing it that way sort of defeats the purpose. I want to be able to lower the nic level more and more, as-needed, so I can retain my main "collection" of pure, 0-nic e-liquids. I'd rather not have to re-purchase dozens and dozens of bottles again with nicotine, each time I want to lower my level, when I can just buy and keep one big bottle of nicotine on-hand to dilute with. I simply want to know how others have, if at all, managed to do it this way without the flavor becoming diminished.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It is like making a cake....if you add or subtract one ingredient,,,it messes up the whole batch. to keep the balance, you will have to add more flavor to keep it from becoming diminished as you remove the nic...additional pg/vg will also diminish the flavor ...there is just no getting around it.
sorry

sas

 

[BenjaminFord]

I've had the same issue with mixing and theres a lot of mixing calculators that ive come across. It seems like you could just use one with just the two fluids and leave all the other stuff at 0, I just got a couple on my phone. One is called simple eliquid calculator, just found that one today. Another one i've used is eliquid recipe. Those are on the android phones. The eliquid recipe one is kinda complicated but worth it, the simple one only does one flavor but its stupid simple. just google those two. I got links to both

http://market.android.com/details?id=com.simple.e.liquid.calculator
and
http://market.android.com/details?id=com.composedchaos.eliquidrecipemanager

Hope those are right. Hope it helps too.

 

[CthulhuSaves]

Thanks, but I don't have an android device. I've seen plenty of calcs online, I just don't know if there are any, as I've said, that can differentiate between someone using raw concentrate/flavor and someone trying to mix nic with pre-mixed e-fluids (0mg versions). That's the hang-up. According to the replies above, some say, "yep, do it all the time" and others say, "nope, can't be done." (And since I don't have enough posts yet to my name, I can't PM those that say they know how). lol

I do think I may have gotten an idea that'd work, though...

What if I were to set a goal of, say, 18mg, and then mix 1 part VG/Nic (36mg) to two parts pre-mixed 0mg flavoring? That might do the trick without losing any noticible flavor. I was shooting for 24mg to begin, but now that I think about it, I'm already starting to get used to 18, so why rock the boat? Progress is progress.

I guess I'm also trying to avoid the whole more detailed mixing scene simply because I hope to be off nic altogether within maybe six months or so, and just vaping 0mg flavors for fun by then. Definitely want to keep my foot in the door and have some form of vaping gear & fluid on-hand in the future in case old habits/cravings rear their ugly head.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thanks, but I don't have an android device. I've seen plenty of calcs online, I just don't know if there are any, as I've said, that can differentiate between someone using raw concentrate/flavor and someone trying to mix nic with pre-mixed e-fluids (0mg versions). That's the hang-up. According to the replies above, some say, "yep, do it all the time" and others say, "nope, can't be done." (And since I don't have enough posts yet to my name, I can't PM those that say they know how). lol

I do think I may have gotten an idea that'd work, though...

What if I were to set a goal of, say, 18mg, and then mix 1 part VG/Nic (36mg) to two parts pre-mixed 0mg flavoring? That might do the trick without losing any noticible flavor. I was shooting for 24mg to begin, but now that I think about it, I'm already starting to get used to 18, so why rock the boat? Progress is progress.

I guess I'm also trying to avoid the whole more detailed mixing scene simply because I hope to be off nic altogether within maybe six months or so, and just vaping 0mg flavors for fun by then. Definitely want to keep my foot in the door and have some form of vaping gear & fluid on-hand in the future in case old habits/cravings rear their ugly head.

There are plenty of ejuice calc here at ecf....I will try to find you one. And they do answer your question.....
sas

edit here is the link

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-calculator-added-quantity-calculations.html

 

[Django]

I'm one who prefers mild or no flavors. I use about 20 ml of USP glycerin, 30-60 drops of 18mg menthol & 15 drops of a 12 mg tobacco for a lightly flavored very low nic juice.

 

[BenjaminFord]

Thanks, but I don't have an android device. I've seen plenty of calcs online, I just don't know if there are any, as I've said, that can differentiate between someone using raw concentrate/flavor and someone trying to mix nic with pre-mixed e-fluids (0mg versions). That's the hang-up. According to the replies above, some say, "yep, do it all the time" and others say, "nope, can't be done." (And since I don't have enough posts yet to my name, I can't PM those that say they know how). lol

I do think I may have gotten an idea that'd work, though...

What if I were to set a goal of, say, 18mg, and then mix 1 part VG/Nic (36mg) to two parts pre-mixed 0mg flavoring? That might do the trick without losing any noticible flavor. I was shooting for 24mg to begin, but now that I think about it, I'm already starting to get used to 18, so why rock the boat? Progress is progress.

I guess I'm also trying to avoid the whole more detailed mixing scene simply because I hope to be off nic altogether within maybe six months or so, and just vaping 0mg flavors for fun by then. Definitely want to keep my foot in the door and have some form of vaping gear & fluid on-hand in the future in case old habits/cravings rear their ugly head.

If you want 18 mg for 36 mg take 1 part 36 mg and 1 part 0 mg flavor. that will get you 18 mg in the end. 1 part 36 mg and 2 parts 0mg flavor will get 12mg in the end.