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Could you change the title of this post?

The article is about smoking in Mobile, not ecig use.

As for the comment you refer to, I would have been much happier had it not contained a link and product endorsement for a particular brand of ecig. :-( Such comments are presumptively disguised spam, and do our cause no favors!
 
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Could you change the title of this post?

The article is about smoking in Mobile, not ecig use.

As for the comment you refer to, I would have been much happier had it not contained a link and product endorsement for a particular brand of ecig. :-( Such comments are presumptively disguised spam, and do our cause no favors!

The post was meant to highlight the fact that this new smoking ban may increase the presence of e-cigs in the area. (as the first comment after the story was e-cig related) I'm sorry you didn't see the correlation. I edited the title to better reflect what the post was trying to point out as you are correct in the title being misleading. I apologize , As far as questioning the motives of the commenter in the story at AL.com , I'll leave that to those that wish to do that.

As to the increased presence of e-cigs "doing the cause no favors" i would have to disagree. When an overwhelming number of people are doing something , in this case vaping , i believe it adds to the social acceptability of the product. Also if your referring to the perceived spam as "hurting the cause" i would need further explanation on that. I cant quite grasp the idea of how simple spam hurts anyone's cause. (if even that's the case here with the commenter)
 
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I had to look up QFT.
I'd never seen that before. Turns out its a good thing!
Thanks to who ever posted that.

It was me. I saw where you had posted over there and i had to give you the QFT. I picked that up back in the AOL chat days almost a decade ago. Great comments given deserve backup. So i did. Happy vaping bro!
 

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As to the increased presence of e-cigs "doing the cause no favors" i would have to disagree. When an overwhelming number of people are doing something , in this case vaping , i believe it adds to the social acceptability of the product.

You sure did misunderstand my statement. I've been advocating wide use of ecigs, in public, for over two years now. And making comments widely and often, as well as directly writing journalists and legislators and so-called health groups .... .

Also if your referring to the perceived spam as "hurting the cause" i would need further explanation on that. I cant quite grasp the idea of how simple spam hurts anyone's cause. (if even that's the case here with the commenter)

Yes, it is solely the frequent spammers hawking their products in comment sections of news articles that I was referring to as harming our cause. Are you not aware of the frequency with which those commenting solely in order to educate and to refute the widely disseminated misinformation we see all the time in the media are written off and loudly decried as "shills for the industry"? This is unfortunately only increased and encouraged by those who are actually making comments with their own financial gain as their motivator.

Here is but one, but particularly egregious, example - by an author of an article about ecigs doing a followup piece after receiving many genuine and impassioned comments by ecig consumers, including CASAA board members, that she TOOK for cynical industry promotion:

"I would also argue that it’s time for the e-cigarette industry to cease it’s end-run around current rules by hiring and/or encouraging lobbyists and consumers to trumpet health claims that they themselves are not allowed to make.

It brings them dangerously close to the bad behavior displayed by Big Tobacco over the years—and if they’re anything like me, that’s not an association they’ll relish."

Emily's Post: Electronic cigarettes, Marty McFly, and internet detective-ry - Isthmus | The Daily Page

You don't think that the barrage of thinly disguised spam replete with links to commercial sites that we do in fact see in article after article contributes to statements like the above?
 
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You sure did misunderstand my statement. I've been advocating wide use of ecigs, in public, for over two years now. And making comments widely and often, as well as directly writing journalists and legislators and so-called health groups .... .



Yes, it is solely the frequent spammers hawking their products in comment sections of news articles that I was referring to as harming our cause. Are you not aware of the frequency with which those commenting solely in order to educate and to refute the widely disseminated misinformation we see all the time in the media are written off and loudly decried as "shills for the industry"? This is unfortunately only increased and encouraged by those who are actually making comments with their own financial gain as their motivator.

Here is but one, but particularly egregious, example - by an author of an article about ecigs doing a followup piece after receiving many genuine and impassioned comments by ecig consumers, including CASAA board members, that she TOOK for cynical industry promotion:

"I would also argue that it’s time for the e-cigarette industry to cease it’s end-run around current rules by hiring and/or encouraging lobbyists and consumers to trumpet health claims that they themselves are not allowed to make.

It brings them dangerously close to the bad behavior displayed by Big Tobacco over the years—and if they’re anything like me, that’s not an association they’ll relish."

Emily's Post: Electronic cigarettes, Marty McFly, and internet detective-ry - Isthmus | The Daily Page

You don't think that the barrage of thinly disguised spam replete with links to commercial sites that we do in fact see in article after article contributes to statements like the above?

You certainly get an A+ for passion and enthusiasm. I am familiar with your deep involvement in the cause of e-cigs and I commend your efforts. But I have to say that this is one case where , when people go read that story and see a link to something (in this case e-cig's) that they have never heard of , i'm glad that "spam" is there. I hope they familiarize themselves with the product , and become comfortable about what it is. I really don't care if a "particular supplier" pushes his product in a comment section in this case because i like that more people are becoming exposed to what e-cigs are in other words. Some may call that naive thinking but i prefer to call it "making decisions on a case by case basis".

Its only reasonable to think that smokers everywhere in the area will go read that story and will see an alternative to cigarettes in the post. I hope they find a good supplier and use them. The more people using them means less of a chance they will be banned. Unless big tobacco steps in and starts lining pockets , I feel we are safe. A little spam isnt going to kill our "cause"
 

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But I have to say that this is one case where , when people go read that story and see a link to something (in this case e-cig's) that they have never heard of , i'm glad that "spam" is there. I hope they familiarize themselves with the product , and become comfortable about what it is. I really don't care if a "particular supplier" pushes his product in a comment section in this case because i like that more people are becoming exposed to what e-cigs are in other words.
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The more people using them means less of a chance they will be banned. Unless big tobacco steps in and starts lining pockets , I feel we are safe. A little spam isnt going to kill our "cause"

I still disagree, strongly. Should links be put in comments - yes of course. But NOT to sales sites! NOT to push a particular brand or seller! People can put in a link to this forum, or to CASAA or Right to Vape or Tobacco Harm Reduction.org's ecig pages! People should be sent to sites where they can genuinely learn about the product.

And yes of course the more use grows and the more people using ecigs the better our chances to stave off sales and use bans. But we cannot afford to have potential allies or potentially open minded people being totally turned off by sleazy, spammy fishing for sales type comments showing up every time there is a news article about ecigs. And a significant number ARE being turned off, and are in turn potentially totally closing their minds to ecigs, by such tactics.
 

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Ditto from me. I had to give up half my life history to convince some dude that I wasn't spamming using the identity of a passed away health professor from Minnesota. It's tough enough getting these people to understand the e-cig industry doesn't have money to pay people to shill, like our tobbaco and pharma supprted "health" ?none-profits?. We really need all the favorable picture we can paint.

We can't be mistaken for the internet's version of an infomercial.
 

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HIPPE, just saw something you might want to take a look at. What more proof do we need that the first comment posted was nothing but sleazy spam than this - now on the excellent LA Times article we saw yesterday, there is a word-for-word identical comment, but this time by Linda1978, instead of Mary1980! What a coincidence, these two women both happened to give their father an ecig, both happened to buy it from the same place, and both, wonders of wonders, decide to write an identically written post out of the goodness of their hearts. Here, take a look: The Healthy Skeptic: Electronic cigarettes - latimes.com

I'm beyond disgusted, that the LA Times article now has two spam posters commenting (yes there's another too), that all but undoes all the good that Janet and Elaine did with their comments! :evil:
 

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Totally agree, Yvilla. Totally. I and many others immediately dismiss any "article" with a sales link in it. Worse, sellers are making unprovable claims and spamming really good articles in such a way as to turn off anyone sympathetic to our cause.

+100 on that one. There are enough success stories, without the ads. I just wish more would read these articles and tell of their real success stories.
 

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HIPPE, just saw something you might want to take a look at. What more proof do we need that the first comment posted was nothing but sleazy spam than this - now on the excellent LA Times article we saw yesterday, there is a word-for-word identical comment, but this time by Linda1978, instead of Mary1980! What a coincidence, these two women both happened to give their father an ecig, both happened to buy it from the same place, and both, wonders of wonders, decide to write an identically written post out of the goodness of their hearts. Here, take a look: The Healthy Skeptic: Electronic cigarettes - latimes.com

I'm beyond disgusted, that the LA Times article now has two spam posters commenting (yes there's another too), that all but undoes all the good that Janet and Elaine did with their comments! :evil:

....and after reading that i will now concede that ....... that first comment I picked up on was spamalicious. Point taken yvilla. Kudos on the supplemental link that illustrates your point: The Healthy Skeptic: Electronic cigarettes - latimes.com .
 

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Good news about the LA Times article at least. On checking it just now, the spam from Linda 1978/Mary1980 has disappeared. :D

Either the Times moderators are good at their job and recognized the comment for what it was, or someone reported it (which hadn't occurred to me until today). They missed the other (slightly less obvious) spam comment though, so I flagged it for them.
 
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