Mod Batteries from FastTech and Ebay
- Thread starter Baditude
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
You know Bad youre doing nothing but giving me the urge to throw an ICR in a mech and short it. Would make a sweet informative youtube video right? Its all about education, has nothing to do with how awesome it is to blow %^#$ up!!! 
If one of those went off in your pocket i could imagine losing a leg
If one of those went off in your pocket i could imagine losing a leg
you know bad youre doing nothing but giving me the urge to throw an icr in a mech and short it. Would make a sweet informative youtube video right? Its all about education, has nothing to do with how awesome it is to blow %^#$ up!!!
DON'T DO IT, MAN !!!
Last edited:
If batteries are so dangerous then why with probably hundreds of thousands of mod users worldwide vaping for several years is there only one reported case of injury on the Internet, an American gentleman in Florida a couple of years ago?
There was one that went viral. It was not the only incident.
And, maybe one good reason is that for more than 3 years ECF has been discouraging using unprotected li-ions and for the past 2 been discouraging stacking batteries in a tube mod. I believe the UK forum does as well.
Plus, they aren't available from a good deal of the E-cig Suppliers not located in China.......so accidents were less likely to occur.
Plus, even now I doubt if there are hundreds of thousands of mod users. A cig-alike and an ego are not mods......and they have had incidents, too.....mostly when charging.
Probably more than 1/2 the people vaping have begun within the past year....and the widely popular FT has only been on the scene for months.
And, maybe one good reason is that for more than 3 years ECF has been discouraging using unprotected li-ions and for the past 2 been discouraging stacking batteries in a tube mod. I believe the UK forum does as well.
Plus, they aren't available from a good deal of the E-cig Suppliers not located in China.......so accidents were less likely to occur.
Plus, even now I doubt if there are hundreds of thousands of mod users. A cig-alike and an ego are not mods......and they have had incidents, too.....mostly when charging.
Probably more than 1/2 the people vaping have begun within the past year....and the widely popular FT has only been on the scene for months.
Last edited:
Hi, I'm guessing I was in need of some help. And just got it.
I recently purchased a svd from fasttech and on the battery page, (I think by drop down menu it's meant customer discussions on the product and fasttech answers as well) but, anyway.....
I Wanted to keep the svd in 18350 mode. So in searching for a battery I came across the ultrafire ones that are referenced above. I bought the pair.. I did see suggestions from users as well that said they were ok....
Both the pv and those batts are on their way to me.
Even before this thread, which I'm very very glad I came across, I was doubting the batteries because nowhere could I find for sure what they were ,,
So I did some searching and efest were recommended.
At this point, I'm just going to go to rtd right now and order good batteries. I'm just going to ask them which ones are the best for that....
Ya know, I was gonna order the new batteries anyway, but it didn't seem like a rush .... I was only apprehensive but thought they would be alright for awhile. I most likely would have used them. My main concern of the ultrafire was them dying fast.... not me
Now? I won't use the pv until the correct batteries come. I blame myself for not doing a greater research, (I'm new to separate battery devices) & this is Kind of like an intervention.....
Thanks baditude for the thread
I recently purchased a svd from fasttech and on the battery page, (I think by drop down menu it's meant customer discussions on the product and fasttech answers as well) but, anyway.....
I Wanted to keep the svd in 18350 mode. So in searching for a battery I came across the ultrafire ones that are referenced above. I bought the pair.. I did see suggestions from users as well that said they were ok....
Both the pv and those batts are on their way to me.
Even before this thread, which I'm very very glad I came across, I was doubting the batteries because nowhere could I find for sure what they were ,,
So I did some searching and efest were recommended.
At this point, I'm just going to go to rtd right now and order good batteries. I'm just going to ask them which ones are the best for that....
Ya know, I was gonna order the new batteries anyway, but it didn't seem like a rush .... I was only apprehensive but thought they would be alright for awhile. I most likely would have used them. My main concern of the ultrafire was them dying fast.... not me
Now? I won't use the pv until the correct batteries come. I blame myself for not doing a greater research, (I'm new to separate battery devices) & this is Kind of like an intervention.....
Thanks baditude for the thread
Been scolded for what I post.
Okay, my bad.
This is after the General section not the New members section.
Thread title is not Directed to New Vapers
In Fact thread title reads - ALERT: Mod Batteries from FastTech and Ebay
Now this had a bit to do with my responses. Thread title is misleading and Not to the core of the post.
Fasttech Does a crappy job of Not warning anyone about any type of risk on any of the Products they sell. Then again many many US venders take the same hard line(blind Eye)
That said - Fasttech Does sell some Quality Real brand Batteries. Panisonic CGR's I purchased are identical to the ones from my US supplier and perfrom identical.
Ebay - That place has turned into a shills heaven and I feel sorry for any uninformed person shopping there. I have seen Bait and Switch, Repackaged fake, used sold as New unpackaged and pricing 10,000% over normal value. No typo, 10,000% Thieves abound!
There are also a few Honest everyday people still on ebay offering Quality products at reasonable prices.
I have gotten AW's from these as well as Efest.
so, if we are going to have a Battery Safety Thread why don't we get this thing closed and post in a proper fashion.
Appropriate thread title
Quality Battery list
Manufacturers list
Battery Data
Recommendations for PROPER use
Warnings for likelihood of getting a defect Even from A reputable Brand
Same info for untrusted Batteries
Brands
Types
likelihood of failure under what circumstances
OR
Just link them to
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
And
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
Since a ton of work has been done to gather information.
A few months back we had a section on Batteries on the main forums list. Wonder where it went?
Okay, my bad.
This is after the General section not the New members section.
Thread title is not Directed to New Vapers
In Fact thread title reads - ALERT: Mod Batteries from FastTech and Ebay
Now this had a bit to do with my responses. Thread title is misleading and Not to the core of the post.
Fasttech Does a crappy job of Not warning anyone about any type of risk on any of the Products they sell. Then again many many US venders take the same hard line(blind Eye)
That said - Fasttech Does sell some Quality Real brand Batteries. Panisonic CGR's I purchased are identical to the ones from my US supplier and perfrom identical.
Ebay - That place has turned into a shills heaven and I feel sorry for any uninformed person shopping there. I have seen Bait and Switch, Repackaged fake, used sold as New unpackaged and pricing 10,000% over normal value. No typo, 10,000% Thieves abound!
There are also a few Honest everyday people still on ebay offering Quality products at reasonable prices.
I have gotten AW's from these as well as Efest.
so, if we are going to have a Battery Safety Thread why don't we get this thing closed and post in a proper fashion.
Appropriate thread title
Quality Battery list
Manufacturers list
Battery Data
Recommendations for PROPER use
Warnings for likelihood of getting a defect Even from A reputable Brand
Same info for untrusted Batteries
Brands
Types
likelihood of failure under what circumstances
OR
Just link them to
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
And
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html
Since a ton of work has been done to gather information.
A few months back we had a section on Batteries on the main forums list. Wonder where it went?
I might have been a skeptic like you had I not had a protected battery vent violently in one of my mechanical mods some time back. The incident scared the crap out of me. You didn't hear of MY incident at that time, did you? It wasn't reported because the incident happened at my place of work and I didn't want anyone else to know about it. Luckily it only caused minimal damage to my clothing and ruined my mod, but it could have been much worse.
Once the primitive protective circuit breaks down in a protected Li Ion battery, it essentially becomes an unprotected Li Ion battery, running out of control in thermal runaway. Venting real flames not unlike a firecracker.
With the number of new vapors coming onto the scene, including some who are not educated in the simpliest principles of battery or mod safety, an terrible accident is just waiting to happen. That is why I do what I feel is my part to educate those who are willing to read what basic things I have learned. If I can prevent just one tragic accident from happening then my efforts have served their purpose.
When an overseas vendor recommends a type of battery that is known to be inappropriate and potentially dangerous for an advanced personal vaporizer then we have a problem. Yes, the ideal situation would be for consumers to be educated enough to know what type of batteries are appropriate and safe. But many are not educated for that. Most are just getting involved in the world of vaping, and have little clue that a battery can be a dangerous thing if it is not used in the appropriate application.
These batteries were not designed originally for advanced personal vaporizors. Probably for flashlights or remote control devices meant for fun. Our devices and attachments are becoming more and more demanding of these batteries, and many of them can't meet the challenge. They get hot, and then they vent in flame, or actually explode if you watch the You Tube videos.
A year or two it was stacking batteries for higher voltage. This year the trend has been sub ohm coils. There are always those who are going to unknowingly, or knowingly, push the envelope. Not only are they placing themselves in danger, but others too. A tragedy would affect the whole e-cigarette community in a negative way with sensational media attention. With the upcoming issues of the FDA Deeming Regulations just around the corner, we do not need that type of publicity to fuel our opponents' desire to ban e-cigarettes entirely.
For some vapors, I believe that they have forgotten the real reason why they got into vaping. It was to kick a dangerous habit that was essentially slow suicide. I find it ironic that there are those pushing the limit to dangerous proportions. And for what? More vapor. Really? What analog could produce the amount of smoke that some of these idiot Cloud Chasers on You Tube are making just to get more viewers. Excuse my rant, I've gotten off topic. But hopefully you can understand my point.
crxess:10570224 said:
I think that's a good idea!!
You know, it's true. Even a preferred vendor or battery can go wrong.
I had gotten my original charger from a known vendor . It was a trustfire & It wasn't cheap (money wise) either. To find out that it was garbage.
It was my ignorance but that was recommended to me by the vendor and also the efest. I had a joye mod (that I gave away out of frustration) the battery was so weak. Then I read about efest counterfeit and relabels. I stuck with my egos, and now I'm back to battery square one.
Do they have these gray Panasonic's In 18350?
I have also already ordered the nitecore I4.
Unfortunately I have not found a Panasonic in 18350.
AW @ 700mah are very good
Real Efest @ 800mah are also reliable.
What I use I will not mention as I Trust my eVic, Vaping habits and Years of use with the particular model # but the Brand seems to have everyone running the other way. I also know enough NOT to use them in a Mech mod.
On a side Note: Fireworks aside, a few AW batteries have wreaked havok due to User Error. Eve nis they don't blow up they Can do significant damage.
I would never Black list AW.
I wonder how manufacturers can continue to produce millions of mini-Bombs a year and keep getting away with it? Then again some people still smoke at the gas pump................ think about it.
AW @ 700mah are very good
Real Efest @ 800mah are also reliable.
What I use I will not mention as I Trust my eVic, Vaping habits and Years of use with the particular model # but the Brand seems to have everyone running the other way. I also know enough NOT to use them in a Mech mod.
On a side Note: Fireworks aside, a few AW batteries have wreaked havok due to User Error. Eve nis they don't blow up they Can do significant damage.
I would never Black list AW.
I wonder how manufacturers can continue to produce millions of mini-Bombs a year and keep getting away with it? Then again some people still smoke at the gas pump................ think about it.
Being that I am a veteran member, I am not able to start a post in the New Members section. It is the format of this website and not of my choosing.
What are you talking about? The core of the post is about one of our novice members unknowingly ordering and receiving inappropriate and possibly dangerous batteries for her first mechanical mod. The novice assumed that since the battery was suggested in a drop down menu for that mod, that it was the appropriate battery for it. The vendor was FastTech, and since the current rage on this forum is to find the cheapest gear at FastTech it was relevant to name them as the vendor. I did not single that vendor out, but also cautioned potential customers to be wary of EBay and any other online vendor for that matter, too. I'm confused how can you see this as misleading?
If you will go to and review my original post in this thread, you will see that I link to a blog post that I wrote on Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html Did you miss the link?
I discuss a lot of the information in that blog that you mention above, and include the very same links that you just did for reference. The information included within the blog is limited because the blog system on this website limits the number of characters in the article. I literally spent hours researching and collecting the information and putting it into a concise, easy to understand format within the limitations of the blog format.
I have no control on where information gets stickied on this forum. Many of my other blog articles would be very useful as a sticky E-Cigarette Forum - Baditude - Blogs, and I have PM'd our Administrator to have them stickied for easy access to all. I have never received a return response from him. I guess he's a busy guy.
Those lost battery safety stickies are way down at the bottom of the page where the Suppliers Forums are. A lot of good they do way down there.
Last edited:
While not a fluent as yourself, I thought the dozens of hours I spend here attempting to assist on individual issues mattered.
Maybe not.
Was of the impression this was more than a simple warning to be aware of what you buy from the way it reads. Had no intention of going at you personally. I posted and got popped, replied to a response and got popped again.
Just wondering if you put together a good Warning post if the Mods or Admin wouldn't place it in the New members section for you. After all, they move post daily.
Take care and relax. I'm way to old, tired and over worked to even wish I did everything you do.
Maybe not.
Was of the impression this was more than a simple warning to be aware of what you buy from the way it reads. Had no intention of going at you personally. I posted and got popped, replied to a response and got popped again.
Just wondering if you put together a good Warning post if the Mods or Admin wouldn't place it in the New members section for you. After all, they move post daily.
Take care and relax. I'm way to old, tired and over worked to even wish I did everything you do.
Sorry for the outburst. I'm old, tired, and over worked, too. It doesn't help that I just lost my job last week, too. So be understanding of my response, as I will of yours.Just wondering if you put together a good Warning post if the Mods or Admin wouldn't place it in the New members section for you. After all, they move post daily.
Take care and relax. I'm way to old, tired and over worked to even wish I did everything you do.
I've contacted a couple of the mods here about a making some of my blogs a sticky. They told me that was not under their control, only Old Soldier, our Forum Administrator holds that power. As I said, I've attempted to contact him before and he ignored me.
You are absolutely right, and frankly this thread is full of alarmism and not just a little misinformation. That said, it's impossible it seems to go up against the "conventional wisdom" brigade, they don't even realize that the hybrid batteries that are currently the best on the market are NOT manganese batteries at all and have a very combustible chemistry.
It is worth noting that every shop that sells AWs does exactly this.
I would be interested in finding a resource to that information. I received a PM just today about those Panny's not being as safe as being touted, but I am not at freedom to discuss it. The hybrids have been very confusing for me to understand their makeup, as I've not found sources that describe them, so I have been reluctant to recommend them to others. Do you have a link or resource?
This has been a good and educating tread for those of us on ECF. Unfortunately the title of this tread is about Fasttech and Ebay and most of those people are not ever going to see are hear any of this info. I would think making this information available to them also would be very useful. If knowledgeable people were to make comments on the FT forums to spread the word it would certainly reach the actual buyers of the wrong batteries and would probably encourage FT to do a better job of matching the batteries to mods.
Most of us here have gained enough knowledge to research before buying. A lot of people buying from FT don't have a clue.
Most of us here have gained enough knowledge to research before buying. A lot of people buying from FT don't have a clue.
All is okay on my end Baditude. Hope this thread smooths back out.
Tried to P.M. - you need to clean out a bit of mail.
As far as I know, no one has received counterfeit batteries from Fasttech. People clearly have been referred to battery choices that are not what ECF strongly advices against. This is the latest conventional wisdom:
"Rechargeable batteries
We now advise that Li-Mn or top-quality Li-FePo4 rechargeables are used in APVs, in preference to rechargeable Li-ions. We suggest the best option, in order, is:
1. AW IMR Li-Mn rechargeables.
2. Panasonic hybrid cells. (Sony spinel cells are new on the market at the date of edit [2013-09-01] and it is likely they will also prove acceptable, they are an Li-Mn type). You must ensure that Panasonic and Sony cells are sourced from an authorised distributor, as they will become extensively counterfeited.
3. AW Li-FePo4 rechargeables [Li-FePo4's mostly NEED A SPECIAL CHARGER]. Note that these batteries are mostly 3 volt nominal so the system voltage will be lower than normal. They are the best choice for stacking as long as they are not counterfeits.
4. Good quality (such as AW or Pila) protected Li-ion rechargeables.
5. Branded protected Li-ions come next - such as *fire Li-ion rechargeables (for *, insert Trust / Sure / Ultra-).
6. The least-preferable option is a generic protected Li-ion.
7. Unprotected rechargeable Li-ion cells should not be used.
8. Standard cells (non-rechargeable) MUST NOT be used."
I would like some actual information from the anti-conventional wisdom crowd, not generalized statements. What brand? What type? What chemistry? What testing numbers? Which battery or batteries are you talking about when you say hybrid?
"Rechargeable batteries
We now advise that Li-Mn or top-quality Li-FePo4 rechargeables are used in APVs, in preference to rechargeable Li-ions. We suggest the best option, in order, is:
1. AW IMR Li-Mn rechargeables.
2. Panasonic hybrid cells. (Sony spinel cells are new on the market at the date of edit [2013-09-01] and it is likely they will also prove acceptable, they are an Li-Mn type). You must ensure that Panasonic and Sony cells are sourced from an authorised distributor, as they will become extensively counterfeited.
3. AW Li-FePo4 rechargeables [Li-FePo4's mostly NEED A SPECIAL CHARGER]. Note that these batteries are mostly 3 volt nominal so the system voltage will be lower than normal. They are the best choice for stacking as long as they are not counterfeits.
4. Good quality (such as AW or Pila) protected Li-ion rechargeables.
5. Branded protected Li-ions come next - such as *fire Li-ion rechargeables (for *, insert Trust / Sure / Ultra-).
6. The least-preferable option is a generic protected Li-ion.
7. Unprotected rechargeable Li-ion cells should not be used.
8. Standard cells (non-rechargeable) MUST NOT be used."
I would like some actual information from the anti-conventional wisdom crowd, not generalized statements. What brand? What type? What chemistry? What testing numbers? Which battery or batteries are you talking about when you say hybrid?
Last edited:
- Status
Similar threads
