Mom cant vape... Please help!

[Katya]

So your saying you dont lung inhale anymore? I have read that from a bunch of people here. Inhaling hurt too much so they just did the mouth inhale and exhale... Im going to try this with her. Have her start here i think. If she gets adventurous then she can do the "Lung" Inhale at her own expense! Awesome idea guys! This is the kind of stuff im looking for!

Most of nicotine absorption from vaping occurs in the mouth and nasal passages--you don't need to get the vapor into your lungs at all with vaping.

That said, most people first draw the vapor into their mouths, hold it there a for a while, and then either draw deeper into the lungs or simply exhale (through the nose if you want maximum nic absorption).

 

[Vappers]

Most of nicotine absorption from vaping occurs in the mouth and nasal passages--you don't need to get the vapor into your lungs at all with vaping.

That said, most people first draw the vapor into their mouths, hold it there a for a while, and then either draw deeper into the lungs or simply exhale (through the nose if you want maximum nic absorption).

OMG Awesome idea! Having her hold it in her mouth for a while then inhale it... i think this would definately bring down the irritating affects of the vapor on her.... Keep it up people! We may just find a way to get her off stinkies and on water vaper after all!

 

[Art02]

I switched a month ago. I am 57. I definately smoked more then her. I got 18 mg/ml to start.

In the beginning, it was hard to vape any quantity. I was like 1 ml per day or a little more. I was like that for weeks. Some days I would do too much and the next day I was more careful.

The right flavors to vape makes the whole difference in the world. I guess she needs to find something that she likes or at least doesn't find offensive. I was lucky to purchase NeckBeards Nectar as my first juice and it was great. Other new vapors like it too. She needs to find her first flavor to get her over the hump. Now I get MrBakerVapor Cinnamon Roll and I am good to go. I got other juices that I do on occasion. Getting the right juice is the hardest thing.

She can definately do it. She needs to do it. A million people like her have done it before. Piece of cake.

 

[JoeDerty]

I have a PG allergy it kills my throat so that could be it but could be certain flavors. It's hard to say but my suggestion is get some Boba's Bounty from Ave it's a good tobacco juice it's hard to explain I'm not even going to try! It's 100%VG good luck!

 

[xICooRsYIx]

Id start by showing her this clip real quick. If she hasnt seen it that is.

Still Smoking? Watch This -HD Wide Screen Edition-Full Length - YouTube

I understand that i am a lot younger, and possibly have a more open minded approach to electronic smoking, but watching that video had me in absolute disgust. Ive never actually seen the tar being extracted from a cigarette. And on a larger scale, its SCARY! 200 cigarettes is what a pack a day smoker smokes in 10 days. So within 10 days, your lungs are filtering that much tar.

I remember my first electronic cigarette and the first week it felt like i was getting kicked in the throat every time i took a hit. I havent experienced that yet since my new e-cig. But i brought it to work the other day and a couple co workers tried it. most people had a normal reaction and actually liked that it "hit" like a real cigarette. But my kitchen manager took a puff and went directly into a coughing rage. I thought he was joking until it got to the point where he almost started throwing up over it. That just goes to show that different people are going to have different reactions.

I think your on the right track with a 100% PG flavorless. Like others said encourage her to take mouth to lung inhales, and have her start out taking mini puffs each time. Baby steps might help ease her into a regular hit.

-xICooRsYIx

 

[Ladiekali]

Im going to respond, cuz this was the same situation with my mom.
She is 56, heavy smoker.
She could not vape.
I tried everything.
It had nothing to do with the pg/vg ratio either.
Turns out the ego's 3.7 was to strong for her.
I got her vaping on a 3.3 esmart and she is great.

So i say get her some higher ohm coils. Try a 3ohm and see if that helps.
Or a lower voltage.

I bet it does.

 

[Rickajho]

So your saying you dont lung inhale anymore? I have read that from a bunch of people here. Inhaling hurt too much so they just did the mouth inhale and exhale... Im going to try this with her. Have her start here i think. If she gets adventurous then she can do the "Lung" Inhale at her own expense! Awesome idea guys! This is the kind of stuff im looking for!

Like everything with vaping - it's a choice. If you can't do it and it is only going to send you into choking fits at least there are different ways to inhale. The biggest point is that the majority of your nic from vaping is absorbed in the mucous linings in the mouth and nasal passage anyway - so you don't need lung inhaling to get your nic out of the experience. A lot of people new to vaping just quit when the only approach they try is inhaling just like they do with a cigarette and they never get past the coughing fits. The "cigar" approach is all they needed to get around that while dealing with their really aggravated lungs not liking a new experience.

Once I got the crap cleared from 30 years of smoking I can lung inhale vape with the best of them. I just don't really need it or care for it now.

She will figure it out with a little help. I can do it "this way" and not kill myself. I forget, lung inhale, and end up with a choking fit. For me 30 years of not thinking about smoking took a lot of awkward vaping to get a new style down right.

Exhaling out the nose helps too. For some peeps it just looks and feels more like smoking with a nose exhale.

 

[Vappers]

Im going to respond, cuz this was the same situation with my mom.
She is 56, heavy smoker.
She could not vape.
I tried everything.
It had nothing to do with the pg/vg ratio either.
Turns out the ego's 3.7 was to strong for her.
I got her vaping on a 3.3 esmart and she is great.

So i say get her some higher ohm coils. Try a 3ohm and see if that helps.
Or a lower voltage.

I bet it does.

Also another good idea.

So i think when i approach her next im going to have the following-

My eGo-V which goes down to 3.0V
A 3.0 ohm coil built on a MT3 - (You can rebuild the *Disposable* attys , Just learned this last night!)
some 100%VG Unflavored lo-med nic and high nic Juice.

And a few inhale techniques.

Seems like all the "Irritating" bases have been covered! Im excited to try another round of testing with her. I really do hope im successful in getting her off the stinkies. I love my mom dearly and would do anything to see her life extended.

Thanks everyone for helping me and my mom. I really do appreciate it!

 

[freeatlast!]

Good luck with this, Vappers, and I hope she'll experiment until she can do it comfortably. She is definitely not "too old" to switch - lots of us were older than she is!! I definitely recommend the pipe or cigar method, and if she really wants to lung inhale, after a while she'll probably work up to it.

Might keep in mind that at first, if she tries flavored ejuice, she may not taste very much flavor after smoking for so long....but that should change after a couple of weeks.

Keep us informed!!

 

[patkin]

I'm running short on time so haven't read the whole thread... sorry if its been said. I was in the shape your mom is when I first started... cough was so bad I hernitated a disk in my neck and wheezed myself to sleep every night for eight+ years. The worst thing for her is high VG. Its heavier, thicker, vaper and she doesn't have a whole lot of room in her lungs for it with the amount of mucous she's carrying around in them. She will have a coughing fit just because she's trying to fit the vapor in where there's little space for it. Don't give her anything above 30% VG and tell her to only do a very shallow inhale with a very small "puff"... no deep ones like she, no doubt, smokes or large draws like she smokes. Once she her lungs begin to clear out, she can inhale deeper if she chooses to. I'll come back to read when I have more time.

Edit: Doesn't sound right so trying to explain better... when I say "lungs" I really mean bronchial tubes above them right below her throat. If her lungs were full that would mean pneumonia if you didn't think of that reading. That's why I'm clarifying. The mucous that builds up trying to protect the lung lining from the smoke tar has to be brought up. When it has been brought up couching, it fills up the bronchial tubes. Those are what are full of mucous until its expelled coughing some more. Then, as you've seen, the process starts all over again... bring it up from the lungs, fill tubes and expel from there... on and on all day long and especially at night laying down... (morning smoker's cough.) Anyway, that's the space there's no room for much vapor in and why it sends her into a coughing fit... mucous or vapor... too much and we cough.

 

[ZeroOhms]

Try Cartomizer. Get a pack of cheap blank cartomizers and have her vape that.
For me, carto mutes the flavor and throat hit while maintaining a good vapor. In turn, it makes the vaping much more smoother than clearomizer. Once she is used to vaping, you can have her try clearomizer again.
If she wants to stay on carto, you can get her a cheap carto tank.
Good luck!

 

[Vapaholics856]

New this whole forum idea but... If you can try to find a B&M near you. I have one near me in South Jersey that has a taste bar and they patiently go over all the different variables to customize your e cigarette to give you the throat hit you can handle! They're are so many different options that you may want to trouble shoot before hand for her so she doesn't have to go through all the hassle.

 

[Vappers]

New this whole forum idea but... If you can try to find a B&M near you. I have one near me in South Jersey that has a taste bar and they patiently go over all the different variables to customize your e cigarette to give you the throat hit you can handle! They're are so many different options that you may want to trouble shoot before hand for her so she doesn't have to go through all the hassle.

I actually did this yesterday. Came home with 3 flavors in hand ready for her to give them a go. Now time to wait for her weekend so she is well rested when we try some methods.

 

[Joanneinict]

Hang in the Vappers. Sounds like you're describing me to a T! I have COPD, complete with wheeze and used to cough so hard, i would choke ... but I still kept smoking. Tobacco is not an easy habit to quit ... and taking up a new one can be scary. Smoking becomes part of our identity in many ways. I wanted to quit for years, and now at 61, I'm 31 days tobacco free. I was a hard core, 2+ pack a day smoker ... I've done everything -- Wellbutrin-10 years ago(made me scarily calm) to patches, gum, and lozenges ... Chantix (twice) Nothing stopped me until I decided that it was time, and the harder anyone tried to convince me to quit, the more tenaciously I dug in.

You've gotten some great advice from other members. If there is an e-cig shop close by, do take her and let her find something she thinks she'd like. Then show her how to fill it, answer any questions she might have, and then let it go as best you can. She wants to quit, and that's a good place to be in. But, if she's anything like me, I imagine she's a bit scared that she won't be able to do it. Be patient with her and yourself. All the best.

 

[dice57]

Tell her to inhale into mouth first then lungs. Might help with coughing and still be able to use a higher nic mg.

Upon reflection, that might work if the gear used can allow for lung hits that is, most lower end gear have to restrictive of air flow though.

I say you're in for a tough battle. A lady pushing 60 is going to be pretty hesitant to try anything new. Especially if her first experience with it was terrible.

Really??!! Personally, that remark really boils my blood. You'll find more pushing 60 people more able and willing to convert to vape then you young whipper snappers. Why? because we have been smoking for decades and it hurts like hell to continue smoking. Many of the established and innovating vapers here are baby boomers. Look at Zen, he has pushed the 60 mark some time ago, or at least looks like he has. lmao.

Does she herself want to switch? If not, you're fighting an uphill battle. She has to find her own desire and motivation. Without it, it's just not going to happen.

She does want to quit yes. She tells me she wants to try chantix but i have heard some terrible things about that little pill. I would much rather see her take the vapor road so she can still enjoy sitting down with her coffe and morning "Cig" if you know what i mean. Its the little things But yes, she does want to quit. She is all for trying the vaping and is willing to do some testing before she goes to chantix so im hopefull.

Just keep trying. One atomizer I would recommend is the Aspire Nautilus, perfect for us old farts pushing 60, easy to fill, has an adjustable air flow, very low maintenance, changeable coil heads, and provides a decent satisfying vape. I got one to try out to recommend to new vapers. While not as good as a rba, it's the next best thing. Would be willing to PIF mine to her for you, if you think it would help.

Good luck and god blessed her for having a child such as you!!

Vape long and Prosper!!

 

[edyle]

So im trying to convert my mom. I recently had a son and she is 57 going on 90 with the way she smokes. 2PAD smoker rollin pipe tobacco. I love her very dearly, she has a very wicked cough and the way she wheezes when she breathes scares the living .... out of me. I told her once i got my new setup (Which i did) I would hand her down my current setup. I have 2 ego 1100's and a spare CE4 or 2 that i took over to her house this evening.

Now i remember when i first started. That first vapor hit is very harsh and makes you cough. Go figure she would almost die taking her first drag off of the setup. So i told her mom the first is always the worst, try again please. To no avail she went into the worst coughing fit i have ever seen her have. So i also know that PG gives a harder throat hit and the mix was 70/30. I also know that more nic = harsher hits.. However she is a 2pad smoker...

I'm thinking if i try maybe a 100% VG 6mg or so liquid she might have more success and it might be easier on her poor torn up lungs.. Any ideas guys? Im pretty desperate to help her make the switch. I also ordered about 100 dollars worth of supplies today in the hopes that maybe ill find a right flavor or mix that will help her. I even purchased a bunch of DIY supplies with the idea of her in mind... (Dont get me wrong i planned on doing that anyway! ) but she was the driving force behind the "Purchase" Button. She says perfume's and smells send her "Allergies" All haywire and into an asthma attack. So i think ill try and mix her an unflavored 100% VG 6-16MG Liq.

Any ideas guys?

I'd suggest 6mg 50/50 PG/VG

Or you could take your existing 70/50 and add half as much volume in VG to dilute it.

btw people are alway talking about 100% VG, but it is not actually 100% that they mean, they just mean 0%PG;
I wouldn't risk higher than 70% VG for people new to vaping because they are likely to get wicking problems at some point and just get frustrated.

BUT: I think the best strategy is to get a couple different disposables for her to try. One week to a month on disposables alone is a solid way to start the transition. It is like establishing proof of concept.

One more thing:

I'd be very slow and tentative about making sudden changes as people get older.

 

[edyle]

She does want to quit yes. She tells me she wants to try chantix but i have heard some terrible things about that little pill. I would much rather see her take the vapor road so she can still enjoy sitting down with her coffe and morning "Cig" if you know what i mean. Its the little things But yes, she does want to quit. She is all for trying the vaping and is willing to do some testing before she goes to chantix so im hopefull.

Even if you got here a disposable low nicotine with very little taste that she could just use without a problem it would be a good start; a heavy smoker can at least smoke a light cig; a light smoker cannot handle a heavy cig. Just making a working start is important; a fairly high number of people vape but still smoke 10% what they used to smoke, and that is a good start, because once you find a way to start, you can only improve from there.

Don't forget during the transition, sense of taste changes, and there's likely to be a coughing period as the lungs start to clean out.

 

[yzer]

100% VG juice may help, as well as different flavors. 24 mg would not be a bad choice for her in 100% VG unless she was smoking extremely low tar/low nic cigs. If that doesn't work have her ask me questions via your ECF PM service tomorrow. I'll do my best. I'm 61.

You can't lead a horse to water. Sorry to say that. My Mom was flat on a bed and dying of emphysema before she quit. Then it was too late. Unless someone wants to quit, they won't quit.

 

[Vappers]

Upon reflection, that might work if the gear used can allow for lung hits that is, most lower end gear have to restrictive of air flow though.



Really??!! Personally, that remark really boils my blood. You'll find more pushing 60 people more able and willing to convert to vape then you young whipper snappers. Why? because we have been smoking for decades and it hurts like hell to continue smoking. Many of the established and innovating vapers here are baby boomers. Look at Zen, he has pushed the 60 mark some time ago, or at least looks like he has. lmao.







Just keep trying. One atomizer I would recommend is the Aspire Nautilus, perfect for us old farts pushing 60, easy to fill, has an adjustable air flow, very low maintenance, changeable coil heads, and provides a decent satisfying vape. I got one to try out to recommend to new vapers. While not as good as a rba, it's the next best thing. Would be willing to PIF mine to her for you, if you think it would help.

Good luck and god blessed her for having a child such as you!!

Vape long and Prosper!!

Thanks everyone- especially everyone older in here that chimed in to help me by sharing their experiences. That is what i originally had hoped when posting this thread.

Dice- Thank you! The nautulus at my local vape shop is on sale this week as a way to bring new vapers in- they 50% one item a week and this week it happens to be just that! Ill pick her one up tommorow.

Would be willing to PIF mine to her for you, if you think it would help.

this in particular moved me. The things people that dont even know me would be willing to do for me. (<--- hope that made sense) Thank you dice.

 

[dice57]

Always a pleasure to help out. Being of the same age as your mother, knowing the pain caused by long term smoking, how hard it is to quit, and the loving concern you expressed and the lengths you going through to help your mom, brought a tear to my eye. Am glad your local B & M has these in stock, they have been hard to find, so that was one of reasons for my offer.

I had been a smoker for 27 years until my first e-cig-a-like came to me. Was one of those try for free scams but never the less it showed me that there was a way to not smoke. I finally found the ECF where journey in the world of vape really began. In my quest for more vape satisfaction I procured a Provari, needed more, than entered the rba world. I now DIY juice, rba's builds, journeyed into Mechanical mods and the sub ohm zone. I've only been a vaper for 9 months, 5 months since I joined the ECF, but have made long strides into my journey and have acquired a fair selection of quality mods and rba's.

Hopefully you will find something that will work well for your mom that will allow her to not smoke and give her the satisfaction she needs without a nasty cough. I know it can be done because I did it, along with many other of all ages. You probably will want to start her off with the higher ohm coil, it will be slightly cooler and not cause as much throat irritation, but the Nautilus does provide a fairly cool and smooth vape even with the 1.6 ohm coil heads. Since it looks like your are using you ego non vv bats for her, once she acclimates to vape, and needs more volume vapor and throat hit, you can always go to the lower ohm coils, up her nic level and adjust her VG/PG ratio.

For me, I found high PG juice harsh and scratchy on the throat. I now vape at 70-80% VG and love it, nice smooth flavor, works great for me. When I was using an ego and a PT, I needed 18-24 mg nic, smoked camel filters at about 30 smokes a day. After upgrading, learning to build, and increasing my watts vaped at, I have had to lower my nic to 12 mg. The better the gear the more efficient the nic delivery is, so one has to keep that I mind when trying to find the right nic level.