Most rebuildable drip atty's are way too overpriced

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I buy clones and "high end" stuff.

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And my chi clone, works just as well as the real thing but I do use the top photo as an everyday carry

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However... the $100 steamboy is just as good in flavor as the $210 steam turbine. Appearance wise, I like the turbine better. Worth the extra $110? Hard to say....
 
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I've got some relatively expensive stuff and some cheap stuff--the difference to me is in the little details. On the whole, my higher-end stuff shows more attention to detail. The little things matter to me--they may not matter to others (or the to same extent as they do to me), but I'm willing to pay a premium for them. The fact is, I use these things on a daily basis. It makes sense to me to spend the money to be satisfied with how my mods and atties feel in hand and in use. If it doesn't feel right, it bothers me every time I use it. That's just how I am :p I've always been the type that's preferred having a handful of nice things than a ton of cheap things.

Honestly though, to each his (or her) own. Some people may think I'm a fool for spending the money I do on one setup, but I'm happy with each one and feel that it's money well spent. If someone can be happy with a $50 setup, that's awesome--I wish I were one of those people. But I'm not, so I will continue spending hundreds of my hard-earned dollars on (what I feel are) nice things because they please me. I'll be happy for you all as your do your thing, and you all can be happy for me as I do mine :)

At least we all have vaping in common, yea? :toast:
 

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The Trident clone I just got is awesome. $17 bucks or $85 bucks? It's a no-brainer.

I was intrigued by it when it first came out, because the rotating hole thing is an awesome idea, but not an $85 dollar awesome idea. I mean, come on now really???

Soon as China pooped out their clone on fasttech that sucker was on the slow boat to my home the next day.

People are going to pay what they want. Something being expensive can have a psychosomatic effect on their experience and perception of a product, and that's their problem not mine. If your going to pay $250+ for a Chi You, go ahead. My friends clone works great. $100 bucks for a Kayfun? Have at it!

In the audio world there are people who pay $2,000 bucks for some magnetic rocks they hang around the wall outlet that their hi-fi stereo system is plugged into. It's supposed to "make the bass clearer." They're called "audiophiles," and it's a suckers market.

I think that there are people being swindled into a rabbit hole of debt in the vaping world. $85-$100+ for an RBA is outrageous. At that price I would expect it to be coated with 24k gold, like a cheap piece of K-Mart jewelry, and also have my name engraved in it! Mechs and RBA's are really, really bare bones and simple devices. If your paying too much that's your decision or desire to do so.

REO charges $45 for their RM2, and that RBA has some special functionality to it to boot. I find it believable that a small scale manufacturer like REO are probably marking up 100%+ from their production cost. I don't find that entirely un-reasonable, but I do strongly suspect that it could probably go down a bit in price. Don't know...

However; in no way do I find $70-$100+ justifiable for what an RBA is; these guys are scamming you. If it's costing them >$50 bucks to produce one, well that's just a piss-poor business model. But come on now, we all know this is not costing any manufacturer >$50 bucks to make an RBA... which just means that obviously vendors charge $85-$100+ for an RBA because they KNOW there is an idiotic culture among certain vapers that will pay that for one, and then order and "collect" three more after that.

Every time I see someone at the airport with a Louis Vuitton carry on I face palm physically in front of them. It's a sh!tty bag, that looks like it has a design that belongs on mens boxer underwear, and it costs $1,000??? I feel the same way when I see the obnoxious collection of gear in some ECF members signatures. Part of the vaping world is indeed, a suckers market.

China can knock out clones, but they don't knock them out for free ya hear me? If an Chinese RBA can retail for $5-$17 bucks and obviously make a profit, I have to come to a reasonable conclusion that manufacturing one anywhere else in the world would be no more that double that.

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REO charges $45 for their RM2, and that RBA has some special functionality to it to boot. I find it believable that a small scale manufacturer like REO are probably marking up 100%+ from their production cost. I don't find that entirely un-reasonable, but I do strongly suspect that it could probably go down a bit in price. Don't know...



I need to step in and say Robert is not even close to marking up 100% from the production cost regarding the price of the RM2. I have even heard accounts of this small scale manufacturer personally pre-assembling a coil 'n wick for each of them, free of charge especially if the person purchasing them admits to being wet behind the ears with rebuildables.

Having said that, and being it's too early in the morning, I think the best approach is to give the equipment away for free and charge for tech support or documentation. I used to say that in gist, now I'm not so sure.

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I buy clones and "high end" stuff.

20130827_210611_zps5f3cb83a.jpg


And my chi clone, works just as well as the real thing but I do use the top photo as an everyday carry

20130813_202138_zps96c8c7d4.jpg


However... the $100 steamboy is just as good in flavor as the $210 steam turbine. Appearance wise, I like the turbine better. Worth the extra $110? Hard to say....

Where's the nimbus? I am going to buy some papa smurf juice soon just because of this shot you took a while back :lol:



You're such a show-off. I hate you 'cause I ain't you (yet) :lol:

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Every time I see someone at the airport with a Louis Vuitton carry on I face palm physically in front of them. It's a sh!tty bag, that looks like it has a design that belongs on mens boxer underwear, and it costs $1,000???

-B

unless is a "Made in China" one.

i agree on everything you say and i do find it somehow strange to live in 2013 and pay 200$+ for a small (non precious) metal tube. but i have to admit some of them are truly, truly beautiful.
 

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The Trident clone I just got is awesome. $17 bucks or $85 bucks? It's a no-brainer.

I was intrigued by it when it first came out, because the rotating hole thing is an awesome idea, but not an $85 dollar awesome idea. I mean, come on now really???

Soon as China pooped out their clone on fasttech that sucker was on the slow boat to my home the next day.

People are going to pay what they want. Something being expensive can have a psychosomatic effect on their experience and perception of a product, and that's their problem not mine. If your going to pay $250+ for a Chi You, go ahead. My friends clone works great. $100 bucks for a Kayfun? Have at it!

In the audio world there are people who pay $2,000 bucks for some magnetic rocks they hang around the wall outlet that their hi-fi stereo system is plugged into. It's supposed to "make the bass clearer." They're called "audiophiles," and it's a suckers market.

I think that there are people being swindled into a rabbit hole of debt in the vaping world. $85-$100+ for an RBA is outrageous. At that price I would expect it to be coated with 24k gold, like a cheap piece of K-Mart jewelry, and also have my name engraved in it! Mechs and RBA's are really, really bare bones and simple devices. If your paying too much that's your decision or desire to do so.

REO charges $45 for their RM2, and that RBA has some special functionality to it to boot. I find it believable that a small scale manufacturer like REO are probably marking up 100%+ from their production cost. I don't find that entirely un-reasonable, but I do strongly suspect that it could probably go down a bit in price. Don't know...

However; in no way do I find $70-$100+ justifiable for what an RBA is; these guys are scamming you. If it's costing them >$50 bucks to produce one, well that's just a piss-poor business model. But come on now, we all know this is not costing any manufacturer >$50 bucks to make an RBA... which just means that obviously vendors charge $85-$100+ for an RBA because they KNOW there is an idiotic culture among certain vapers that will pay that for one, and then order and "collect" three more after that.

Every time I see someone at the airport with a Louis Vuitton carry on I face palm physically in front of them. It's a sh!tty bag, that looks like it has a design that belongs on mens boxer underwear, and it costs $1,000??? I feel the same way when I see the obnoxious collection of gear in some ECF members signatures. Part of the vaping world is indeed, a suckers market.

China can knock out clones, but they don't knock them out for free ya hear me? If an Chinese RBA can retail for $5-$17 bucks and obviously make a profit, I have to come to a reasonable conclusion that manufacturing one anywhere else in the world would be no more that double that.

-B

After reading your post, the one major factor you left out is that china is in the penny business... their profits are literally cents! I know because I'm in that industry. I sell volume and even half a cent makes a major impact. I'm not disagreeing with you about the mark up and how crazy it has gotten but they're marketing their products right such as limited production and quality builds. I too feel like they're overpriced but their marketing strategy is awesome which in turn brings cost up and when you can mark it up 300%, why not? You can't look at this stuff at a consumers point of view... there's a larger picture that you're missing that is the reason for these outrageous prices.
 

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Where's the nimbus? I am going to buy some papa smurf juice soon just because of this shot you took a while back :lol:



You're such a show-off. I hate you 'cause I ain't you (yet) :lol:

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Lol! I dont know if you've noticed but the diablo is actually a clone of something else... I fogot what exactly but yup, clone...
 

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the need of NR/R wire is a problem for me too on the ithaca. high end devices, cheap clones. the AMP tank was full of issues when it first came out ( i don't know if they resolved them latter ) and everybody was willing to understand and forgive, but as soon as 15$ chinese mod has a problem many people start flaming everything china does down to the ming dynasty

Personally I own both high end and cheap Chinese stuff, and don't hate on either side of the spectrum. What I DO hate on is exactly what you are talking about, the double standard for high end stuff compared to Chinese stuff.

It seems many people are able to forgive and forget issues with high end equipment, yet nitpick the heck out of cheap Chinese stuff. I've heard people say certain Chinese products are inferior because they don't have adjustable center posts, have trouble threading with some devices, have small air holes, etc. But they fail to mention that some high end equipment has those same issues. The RSST had some issues with the 510 connection, and got bashed by some for it. Yet the (incredibly more expensive) AC9 that it's based on ALSO has threading issues. The trident, a rather expensive dripping atty, also has issues threading on some devices (even those from the came company) yet this is excused.

Airholes aren't a quality issue, everyone prefers different size air holes. People complain about loose top caps on some chinese stuff. Expensive zens have the same issue. Fixed center pins appear on both expensive high end stuff, and cheap Chinese stuff.

Being made in the US, the Philippines, Korea, or Europe does NOT make something quality. Being expensive does NOT make something quality. The materials, design, and execution of that design makes something quality. You can get Chinese stuff superior to high end stuff, and high end stuff superior to Chinese stuff.

Some Chinese mods have lower voltage drop than some high end mods. Some clones have design features superior to the original. It's flat out incorrect to say that "high end" equipment will be higher quality or perform better than clones or cheap China stuff. It varies device to device, sometimes expensive stuff is higher quality, sometimes it's not. It depends what's being compared.

I put my money into quality mechs because I love the way they look, and they offer features cheap mods do not. Attys, be they RDAs or gennys, have a much smaller difference in quality between the high end and low end, and it makes more sense to me to buy cheaper attys. My Cobra clone performs better, to me preference, than my Zatty did. But, the cobra clone looked like junk to me, and it was made of brass which worries me. I really like my AGI and AGATs, they are quality materials, with a good design (apart from the AGIs spring issue, which luckily mine doesn't suffer from) and I like the way they look. There are few expensive attys out there I think look better, and none that can claim legitimate reasons for a better vape. Geographical location of manufacture doesn't effect vape quality as some people believe it does.

It's all give and take, spending more money does not assure a better design, better materials, or a better execution of the design.
 
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After reading your post, the one major factor you left out is that china is in the penny business... their profits are literally cents! I know because I'm in that industry. I sell volume and even half a cent makes a major impact. I'm not disagreeing with you about the mark up and how crazy it has gotten but they're marketing their products right such as limited production and quality builds. I too feel like they're overpriced but their marketing strategy is awesome which in turn brings cost up and when you can mark it up 300%, why not? You can't look at this stuff at a consumers point of view... there's a larger picture that you're missing that is the reason for these outrageous prices.

Hell, even incompetency pays off. In the news locally a super market chain store's cashier machines were off by a penny or two, which after heavy forensic accounting by the authorities accounted for a significant amount of profit, six-digits folks. All because some grandma with a calculator cmplained.

How much... how much would you have if I said I would pay you a penny on the first day, and then two pennies on the second, and then four pennies on the third, and then it just kept doubling and it did this for a month. How much money would you have at the end of the month? 10 million bucks

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ETA: The answer can be done on a calculator, cause the formula is 2^(n-1)! or the series for 2^n-1 (for the nerds) where n is the number of days in the specific month.
 
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What's even more outrageous is the resale prices on these expensive stuff!!! As if the retail value wasn't bad enough, the resale value is double of ehat retail is... lets focus on that! Forget what the retail is, RESALE is the biggest concern... if resale value was not 100% higher than retail, people would have these things instead of 1 guy buying like 6 of them and selling them for more...
 

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If people really thought about it... most of the stuff you own is probably made in china... that's probably whywe have the largest port in the world..

It's for this reason, and only this reason, that the east 'n west will never go to war or interfere too much with things like, civil liberties, politics, and what-not. Too much money is being made. Money = power. China and USA are their most powerful, as partners than competitors.

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Speaking of crazy prices... I dont know if you guys heard but the maker of caravela is making a pure silver caravela and charging about $2,800 each at a 333 limited run... that is crazy!!! That's like the cost of tiffanys silver!.. lol

If I know anything, which isn't saying much -- it's that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. And as Canada Bill Jones once said, "It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money."

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Exactly if you have a 63" TV someone is shaking their head at you saying what a wast of money. If you have nice rims and tires on your car same thing. We all have our little excesses we enjoy I think very few of us can point the finger with out 3 pointing back.

If you strip it down why do any of us care what someone else spends their money on? Is it not their money? Why do we need to have an opinion period about what someone else buys?

Why arent we happy when some one buys something that gives them a small since of satisfaction?

Yep, they shoulda got the 81" :)



the need of NR/R wire is a problem for me too on the ithaca. high end devices, cheap clones. the AMP tank was full of issues when it first came out ( i don't know if they resolved them latter ) and everybody was willing to understand and forgive, but as soon as 15$ chinese mod has a problem many people start flaming everything china does down to the ming dynasty

Ming dynasty sucked, Xia dynasty ruled. Old school is always the best :p
 
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