MRSA threat....Daily Mail

[The Ministry]

Ok....read on

www. dailymail .co.uk/news/article-2632076/Are-e-cigarette-smokers-risk-superbugs-Vapour-helps-deadly-bacteria-thrive-say-scientists.html


"Dr Crotty told an American Thoracic Society conference: ‘The virulence of MRSA is increased by e-cigarette vapour.’
However, the study also failed to give real cigarettes a clean bill of health. In fact, they were found to fuel MRSA even more than the electronic versions."

Oh well

 

[drksideken]

Yeah, because the medical and agricultural fields don't contribute to these antibacterial resistant infections at all right? What else does this? Bet the list is a lot longer than what they think.

 

[Katya]

It is thought that chemicals in the vapour made the bugs think they were in danger –

Thinking bugs!!!! Bubble gum!!!!!

Lord have MRCA....

 

[rothenbj]

Oh gawd, break the link...

 

[rothenbj]

University of California research, figures.

 

[Katya]

University of California research, figures.

Why does it always have to lead back to Glantz?....

*sigh*

OP, please:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-science-other-rubbish-posts.html#post5398559

 

[sonicdsl]

Broke the link to this rubbish. You can always count on the Daily Mail to bring rubbish to the masses!

Didn't even name the study or identify which UC school it was, but I bet Glantz had something to do with it.

 

[DrMA]

Glantz has really outdone himself this time... Since he can't link vapor to any negative health effects directly, he's started dwelling into the murky waters of microbial pathogen research. As someone who has worked in a microbiology lab I can tell you this much: many things you do to these pathogenic bacteria can increase their virulence, including putting them on the bench and thinking mean thoughts. In my experience, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is an absolute, immediate, and measurable truth for bacteria.

 

[MorpheusPA]

Oh gawd, break the link...

Don't just break the link, jump up and down on it until it stops moving.

 

[MorpheusPA]

Look, I know zip about microbiology and don't really want to know anything more than what I already do about soil bacteria.

But let's figure that you're blowing vapor on bacteria. Given that bacteria are the little things that do most of our chemical cleanup work in the world, it'd be no great surprise if they're eating something in the diluted vapor and growing on it.

Now let's try blowing vapor over penicillin-producing fungi so we can counter with, "Vapor also generates natural antibiotics that fight infection!" The statement is no less junk-sciency, but sounds better.

 

[DrMA]

I also wonder how they reconcile this new "finding" with the use of PG fumigation in hospital settings, which has a long history and proven track record of anti microbial effectiveness and safety.

 

[Katya]

I also wonder how they reconcile this new "finding" with the use of PG fumigation in hospital settings, which has a long history and proven track record of anti microbial effectiveness and safety.

This is a different issue altogether. Frequent use of antibacterial agents (like anti-bacterial soaps, for example) is one of possible causes of the emergence of superbugs, because they only kill the weakest bacteria while allowing the tougher specimens to survive and spread.

Just like not finishing your prescribed course of antibiotics.

 

[Hulamoon]

Hmph - I assume they're referring to the horribly virulent Moronic Ridiculous Stan Attack.

Can't we just be done with it and declare Glantz a Level 5 contaminant and flash-freeze him somewhere in Antarctica?

 

[Katya]

No, no. We should just offer him scietific evidence that e-cigs are safer than smoking. That's all he wants.

 

[rothenbj]

Glantz has really outdone himself this time... Since he can't link vapor to any negative health effects directly, he's started dwelling into the murky waters of microbial pathogen research. As someone who has worked in a microbiology lab I can tell you this much: many things you do to these pathogenic bacteria can increase their virulence, including putting them on the bench and thinking mean thoughts. In my experience, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is an absolute, immediate, and measurable truth for bacteria.

There may be more truth to your statement than even you believe. I believe one of the issues we face today is that the children being raised are not being exposed to enough little critters to build up their internal defense system. Everyone worries about what their precious little ones might get exposed to. The immune systems remain weak from an early age and now their susceptible to every attack they face. Just my theory, but I cfan't believe all the "common health" issues that were very uncommon when I was young.

 

[aubergine]

Well, I don't get colds since vaping. Ever. There've been lots of reports in ECF over the years re that phenomenon. I've wondered a little about implications of that happy little perc, but you know, gift horse.

 

[rothenbj]

Well, I don't get colds since vaping. Ever. There've been lots of reports in ECF over the years re that phenomenon. I've wondered a little about implications of that happy little perc, but you know, gift horse.

Yeah, I had started up a thread about that in the health section. I've had a couple, but two days later, I'm good and I tend to keep on vaping through them. As a smoker, it would take me weeks/months to finally have them clear up.

 

[Berylanna]

Well, I don't get colds since vaping. Ever. There've been lots of reports in ECF over the years re that phenomenon. I've wondered a little about implications of that happy little perc, but you know, gift horse.

Try babysitting toddlers who go to day care. That can overcome even vaping!

 

[DrMA]

Try babysitting toddlers who go to day care. That can overcome even vaping!

That's right. You'd be surprised how much protection from pathogens is offered by not chewing on your own shoes. The little critters somehow manage to get sick all the time and then become incubators for all sorts of pestilence, which they then kindly share with their caregivers, vaping notwithstanding.

 

[Berylanna]

That's right. You'd be surprised how much protection from pathogens is offered by not chewing on your own shoes. The little critters somehow manage to get sick all the time and then become incubators for all sorts of pestilence, which they then kindly share with their caregivers, vaping notwithstanding.

That is actually good for us, it makes up for all that anti-bacterial soap everybody else is using.

I still got over that monster cold 2 weeks before my granddaughter did, but that's because I went to India, and within 24 hours of starting to breathe a humid atmosphere, all the after-effects of the (already gone) cold went away.