My Adventures with Gennies and Ceramic

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Vwls

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After finding semi-peace with micro coils and cotton in an RDA, and knowing that to date that was the best vape I'd achieved, I have to admit... I still wasn't satisfied.

I wanted to sub ohm. And I wanted to venture into the world of Genesis style atomizers. (Hanging out on ECF will do that to you... I've been in non-stop 'search mode,' craving the next plateau, since the day I got here.) Thing is, I wasn't crazy about the prospect of SS wicks. Anything that imparts a metallic flavor, however slight, is really not in my wheelhouse. I knew from all my reading and excavating on these boards that I was interested in ceramic. It just... sounded cleaner - more pure.

I didn't want to buy a crappy RBA, but also didn't want to spend a lot in case I wasn't happy with the vape. So I bought a used DID in the classies, and set about finding some quality rigid/porous ceramic wicks.

Slight detour - skip if you detest sappy thank you notes - need to send out a fervent thank you to those who helped along the way. Seriously - I would not been able to vape-evolve without this forum and the wonderful people who have helped along the way. I'm truly grateful. I came here knowing absolutely nothing about vaping, and tonight as I type this, I am wrapping coils, checking resistance and output, DIYing e-juice, experimenting with a variety of wicking materials, predicting the performance of various builds.... and basically having the time of my life. More importantly, I am basking in the glow of the knowledge that I will never smoke another cigarette. Ever. That alone is worth more than this thank you note can ever convey. I am free!

So back to the ceramic adventure. Right off the bat, let me say this: I could not get a good vape on my DID using any sort of fabric-type wick. I tried standard silica, TWIK Ekowool and twisted organic cotton yarn hybrid, and cloth ceramic. I had some success building an auto-drip set up using cotton, but it wasn't coming close to what was happening in my Trident dripper, so I gave up for a while. (It took some time to get the rigid/porous ceramic.) An issue I was facing as well was the air hole in the DID. It was just too d-mn small. I've learned that I prefer an airy draw, but more than that - I've learned that without adequate airflow, you are never going to get the kind of vapor you're craving. Period. And of course the other problem was, I just could not get fabric to wick well, no matter what I built or how much I fell back on the Genesis-tilt.

This week I finally got bold, whipped out the drill, and opened up the air hole in the DID to double it's original size. Also this week, I got vape-mail... really exciting vape-mail. Rigid ceramic wicks. (Doing the happy vape-mail dance!) I pulled out the coil and wick I'd been struggling with, built a coil using the Peter K method, pulsed and perfected it, slipped in a ceramic wick, and dripped juice all over the business end slowly and carefully, watching to observe absorbency.

Outcome?

I'm now enjoying an extremely gratifying vape. Best way I can describe it is - smooth. Like moving from a shot of Cuervo Gold to a shot of Patron Anejo. It's just superior.

Just wanted to share this with you: rigid/porous ceramic in a Genesis atomizer produces nearly perfect, true flavor, as well as consistent, dense, satisfying vapor. There's absolutely nothing between you and the taste of your juice. And it wicks beautifully, with or without a tilt.

Whole point of this is... keep studying and reaching for the next great vape. Don't be afraid to "mod" your mods and atomizers. Listen to the advice and instruction of those who have gone before, and jump out of your comfort zone to try new things. I promise you will not regret it. :)

Much love and happy vaping! :vapor::):wub:
 

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well the Stormrider and Prometheus offer airflow control, i cant think of the others right now maybe the kraken/clone too i think.

I like the smaller caps for stronger flavor myself. every geni will have a slightly different twist on the vapor and flavor depending on how they are made/designed.

the only ones i own anymore:
the Gemini
the Cobra
the Megatron (adjustable air and dual wick but hard to hunt down sometimes)
the Arashi

everything else i send to the classies after about a week, still got my DID 20 in a box somewhere though (it was my first top shelf atty and the one that got me going so kinda attached)
 
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I too use a ceramic wick in my Genny. A pure, smooth vape indeed! The only downside to ceramic wicks is that they are fragile, but if you are careful, you can make a wick last a very, very, very long time. +1 on the open draw, far superior IMHO.

Helpful hint: clean your ceramic wick by torching it till it glows red hot and it will be as good as new.
 

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Glad to see you got everything up and running :)
Lol, yesterday I was replacing the quartz tank on my ZAP. I should have removed the ceramic wick but was rushing a bit. Broke that one, then broke another one while trying to insert the wick into the coil. Cursing and swearing I was going to throw the ZAP on the classifed so I took a break. Came back, finally got it in and hit it. Yeah, I love my ceramics...
 

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DID is an excellent genisis V - you should keep it

Here are the things I don't like about the DID...

- air hole too small - requires modding
- screw on cap - threads are not as smooth as I'd like - I'd rather have a slide on with a couple of top notch O-rings, and then be able to rotate the cap to the sweet spot
- height of coil if building vertically is restricted by the height of the positive post and the nuts (I can barely wrap four - any more and I pretty much have to do a micro coil (not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'd like more freedom to try different builds
- once the juice is in and the wick installed, I can't refill using a regular needle-nosed bottle of juice - the tip of the bottle isn't quite long enough and the juice backs up and runs over the deck (syringe is the only viable method)

Dspin, are you happy with Senesis for functionality?
 

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Vwls, may I ask from where you purchased the ceramic wick?

I'd like to know that too!

I also own the DID 20. It is the only Genesis I have. Got the Kraken on pre-order but will still be weeks before it gets here. I have been rolling my SS #500 wicks for months now but always find myself making one at least once a week. Would like to try some ceramic wicks too even though I've heard lots of not-so-great things about them. Figured I'd ask someone who's tried both. I've heard that with ceramic wicks there is a priming period until the wicking becomes good. Is that true and if so how long does it take?

Thanks in advance!
 

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An update to my ceramic experience: they do mute flavor after all.

I didn't notice this with my first tank of juice because I was vaping menthol and I guess the intensity of the flavor is well suited for ceramic. I switched to a mild coffee vape and almost half the flavor is gone. With this in mind, I recommend this wick only with very strong flavors.
 

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LOL i think almost nothing can mute some of those menthols, tried the girls at work and thought i would faint, like vaping altoids.


I have been rolling my SS #500 wicks for months now but always find myself making one at least once a week.
not sure why, i have some close to two months now. do you ever try to clean them?
 

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Menthol and metallic don't go well together... but I could see SS mesh being fine with some flavors. The thing is, I'm not sure about the safety of metal wicks. Although if you wrap something else around the business end (between the coil and the mesh), that might solve the problem...? Obv I know - it's still better than cigarettes. But no reason not to strive for the healthiest possible solutions, so long as they give top performance as well.
 

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LOL i think almost nothing can mute some of those menthols, tried the girls at work and thought i would faint, like vaping altoids.



not sure why, i have some close to two months now. do you ever try to clean them?


Yes I clean them by taking them out (since I'm going to make a new coil anyways) and rinsing them out with hot water. Then I torch dry them real well and season them with the e-liquid I'm going to be using and burn them out with a lighter.

I'm not sure if it's really necessary to change them out so quickly. Maybe it's my OCD because I can see where the coils left their burn marks into the wick where they used to be. I usually alternate the ends of the wicks when one has burn marks. I also try different flavor juices and I tend to make a new wick and coils when I get a new flavor.
 

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An update to my ceramic experience: they do mute flavor after all.

I didn't notice this with my first tank of juice because I was vaping menthol and I guess the intensity of the flavor is well suited for ceramic. I switched to a mild coffee vape and almost half the flavor is gone. With this in mind, I recommend this wick only with very strong flavors.

That is odd, I vape Alice in Vapeland juices which are known for their very subtle flavor. I haven't noticed any reduction in flavor at all with a ceramic wick. I use a mini-Davide, carts, and a rebuildable dripper as well, so I have a few comparison points. I find the ceramic wick in my genny gives the best flavor with the possible exception of the dripper, but it is too close to call.
 
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