My Experience With Wta

[FireDragon1138]

General snus is very strong. I would recommend a mini portion of General, at the least, if you can find it in American stores (General isn't doing as well in the US, partly because it's so strong... but you can get General Mini Mint which is more reasonable for a smoker). American Camel Snus feels more appropriate in terms of the nicotine content. It tastes good, it's just flavored more for the tastes of an American cigarette smoker (it has a "bright", sweet flavor), whereas Swedish snus is often salty and earthy.

I ended up using loose snus and snuff years ago because I wanted to cut back on nicotine. Easier to control the "dose" of nicotine that way, and cheaper than portions. I used a prismaster tool to pack it.

 

[Traver]

I have Asperger's (how I started smoking is a long story, and peer pressure had little to do with it) and I'm also a high strung person, I tend to be intense, so I can identify with you. I wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's till I quit smoking and tobacco for several years, so my guess is, in some way, the tobacco habit was helping my brain deal with the sensory overload, anxiety, and depression we frequently experience.

There were times in my life when just using NRT alone was enough to quit smoking, but those were the good times . When all Hell breaks loose, though, my resources get overtaxed and I missed the calm buzz cigarettes gave me.

I would tentatively suggest smokeless tobacco might help you. You could go buy a can of Camel Snus and try that in the meantime to getting your WTA order. Camel Snus Mild is probably a good one to try if you are new to snus, that or Swedish mini portions (it just depends on how much you are vaping and what mg, some snus is very, very strong). The health risks of snus and WTA e-liquid are similar (lots of unknowns, but mostly it looks positive). I intend to put an order in from Sweden for some snus myself, but in the meantime I'm using American smokeless tobacco (Timber Wolf snuff). There are times, like playing video games, that I prefer smokeless tobacco as I tend to get really into the games.

I was just wondering why you think that the risks from WTA Swedish snus are similar? It is my understanding that the carcinogens in Swedish snus are processed and removed. Is the same thing done with WTA. There is also extensive research on Swedish snuf. Are there any studies on WTA?

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I would tentatively suggest smokeless tobacco might help you. You could go buy a can of Camel Snus and try that in the meantime to getting your WTA order. Camel Snus Mild is probably a good one to try if you are new to snus, that or Swedish mini portions (it just depends on how much you are vaping and what mg, some snus is very, very strong). The health risks of snus and WTA e-liquid are similar (lots of unknowns, but mostly it looks positive). I intend to put an order in from Sweden for some snus myself, but in the meantime I'm using American smokeless tobacco (Timber Wolf snuff). There are times, like playing video games, that I prefer smokeless tobacco as I tend to get really into the games.

I grew up in cowboy country and started using smokeless tobacco full time at the age of ten. The general rule around town was if you looked twelve, they would sell it to you no questions asked. At the same time I lived in a home with my father who smoked two packs a day, indoors and out. I have probably had nicotine in my body since I was born.. I gave up snuff and went straight to cigarettes at the age of 20 and smoked a pack or more a day until I was 45. After trying everything you can think of to quit, I tried vaping and never had another cigarette after that day. That was January 2013 and I have been vaping since but as I explained earlier, I am having depression and anxiety issues along with chronic fatigue with no known cause. While I understand that using snoose or snuff may be good for some who are still trying to kick cigarettes, I have no intention of ever using any type of whole tobacco product ever again. I know several people who have died from stomach and throat cancer plus others who are now missing half their faces from smokeless tobacco use. I ordered the WTA juice from Aroma but will be very careful with it. I mainly want to see if it helps me get through this funk I've been in for six months. If I don't notice any difference within a week or if I feel the need to smoke again (which I haven't while vaping) I'll toss it.

 

[FireDragon1138]

While I understand that using snoose or snuff may be good for some who are still trying to kick cigarettes, I have no intention of ever using any type of whole tobacco product ever again. I know several people who have died from stomach and throat cancer plus others who are now missing half their faces from smokeless tobacco use. I ordered the WTA juice from Aroma but will be very careful with it. I mainly want to see if it helps me get through this funk I've been in for six months. If I don't notice any difference within a week or if I feel the need to smoke again (which I haven't while vaping) I'll toss it.

An anecdote is just an anecdote- the ANTZ classically use stories of somebody they know, or someone who comes forward to be a "poster boy" to scare people into not considering snuff or dip as an alternative to smoking. Statistically, the risk of oral cancer from American smokeless tobacco is low-to-zero. There are many other things that cause oral cancer besides tobacco use, some much more important (alcohol is much more positively linked to oral cancer than smokeless tobacco use), but you won't hear alcohol use attacked because it is so widely popular in the general population and not stigmatized.

Snus has tobacco specific nitrosamines, so does WTA. The manufacturers of both try to keep them low, but some amount is unavoidable due to how the alkaloids are extracted. (and actually snus is not purified, it's air-cured leaf and pasteurized early to reduce the formation of nitrosamines). These are also often found in NRT's and e-liquids, but in far lower amounts. It's not really the TSNA's that are the most dangerous, anyways, it's the PAH's (pyrolitic aromatic hydrocarbons), and those are mainly created by burning tobacco with the TNSA's. Nitrosamines are not just present in tobacco, they are also found in many cured meats and even in baby pacifiers. There is no good evidence that in low levels they cause cancer.

Using snuff or dip or WTA is certainly preferable to smoking... remember it's about harm reduction. WTA is a good option for somebody that wants to get those alkaloids through vapor, but that doesn't mean smokeless tobacco is necessarily more dangerous (we just don't know the long term risks from vaping it, though they are probably very small, much like snus).

I used both American dip and snus for years in my 20's and 30's after quitting cigs in college and never so much as had any "leukoplakia" (so called pre-cancerous lesions). Never happened despite ominous warnings from family and dentists. The nicotine and soda ash sometimes made my gums sore but I never got anything a dentist would notice. I know, just an anecdote but then if we are going to use horror stories I thought I'd throw in an anecdote.

I recommend anybody wanting factual information about smokeless tobacco to check out CASAA.org . Not only do they support factual, science-based information about e-cigs and vaping, they also support smokeless tobacco use as harm reduction.

 

[alisa1970]

I grew up in cowboy country and started using smokeless tobacco full time at the age of ten. The general rule around town was if you looked twelve, they would sell it to you no questions asked. At the same time I lived in a home with my father who smoked two packs a day, indoors and out. I have probably had nicotine in my body since I was born.. I gave up snuff and went straight to cigarettes at the age of 20 and smoked a pack or more a day until I was 45. After trying everything you can think of to quit, I tried vaping and never had another cigarette after that day. That was January 2013 and I have been vaping since but as I explained earlier, I am having depression and anxiety issues along with chronic fatigue with no known cause. While I understand that using snoose or snuff may be good for some who are still trying to kick cigarettes, I have no intention of ever using any type of whole tobacco product ever again. I know several people who have died from stomach and throat cancer plus others who are now missing half their faces from smokeless tobacco use. I ordered the WTA juice from Aroma but will be very careful with it. I mainly want to see if it helps me get through this funk I've been in for six months. If I don't notice any difference within a week or if I feel the need to smoke again (which I haven't while vaping) I'll toss it.

Understood on the Snus, if you don't want to use it. I use The General about 3x a week and it makes an incredible amount of difference, although I try to keep usage down as I really don't want to be tobacco-dependant. Unfortunately my other option would be pharmaceuticals which really aren't an option as far as I'm concerned. Swedish Snus is different from American snuff and snus - it undergoes a very different curing process, and decades of research in Sweden have shown that Swedish Snus users have the same cancer risks as non-smokers. This is just information for anyone who is wondering, not an attempt to change your mind.

 

[misterholidayhouse]

I had no intent to crusade against smokeless tobacco. I used it for the first half of my life and left it behind me forever. That's all.

 

[alisa1970]

I had no intent to crusade against smokeless tobacco. I used it for the first half of my life and left it behind me forever. That's all.

I do think the WTA will surprise you. For those who are sensitive to those alkaloids, the difference is palpable.

 

[FireDragon1138]

Vaping WTA is obviously not dipping snuff but the alkaloid profile is similar and physiologically it's more like smokeless tobacco than using regular e-liquid. It's probably more addicting too. On the other hand it's also probably the only thing that keeps some people away from smoking. I notice if I'm stressed and vape too much nicotine I start becoming unhinged mentally- thinking I'm feeling fine but really becoming quite moody and maudlin.

I guess if you have never successfully quit as an adult it's difficult to appreciate the positive aspects of tobacco use and only see it as a mindless addiction. I've been a non-smoker for an extended period of time to know tobacco can have benefits beyond just feeding a nicotine or alkaloid addiction- people successfully use it to regulate their mood all the time. Smokers and dippers do this unconsciously but when you quit for a while you start to realize how different life can be without it, and it's not always positive. I had really bad panic attacks and sensory overload before I smoked and after I quit snus. There are no pharma drugs that work as well as tobacco, in my experience, I've tried them all. The ones that work are addictive and even more dangerous to use long term (benzodiazepines are linked to increased mortality much more strongly than smokeless tobacco).

 

[DC2]

I do think the WTA will surprise you. For those who are sensitive to those alkaloids, the difference is palpable.

I don't NEED the other tobacco alkaloids.
And to be honest, I don't even NEED nicotine either.

I choose to use nicotine at this point, being that I have not been addicted to it for some years now.

And I also have some WTA around, and choose to use that as well when I want to.
It hits me hard though, very different from just using straight nicotine.

But when I have a stressful event to deal with, it really helps.

 

[alisa1970]

I don't NEED the other tobacco alkaloids.
And to be honest, I don't even NEED nicotine either.

I choose to use nicotine at this point, being that I have not been addicted to it for some years now.

And I also have some WTA around, and choose to use that as well when I want to.
It hits me hard though, very different from just using straight nicotine.

But when I have a stressful event to deal with, it really helps.

It's weird for me, it doesn't do anything anymore, but the first 6 months it was a life saver. I needed it then, I don't feel anything on it now. I plan on getting some sometime just to test it again, but I haven't touched the stuff I have for 6 months.

 

[DC2]

It's weird for me, it doesn't do anything anymore, but the first 6 months it was a life saver. I needed it then, I don't feel anything on it now. I plan on getting some sometime just to test it again, but I haven't touched the stuff I have for 6 months.

I'm sure it affects people differently, so that's no surprise to me.

I was not one of the people that needed the other alkaloids.
So my reaction to it may be quite different from people who actually did have a physical need.

 

[Nermal]

One thing I would caution is that in a study with rats on the addictive nature of nicotine, it was found that the minor alkaloids were what motivated the rats to self administer the nicotine, not the nicotine alone. So the only drawback would be the symbiotic addictive nature between the minor alkaloids and nicotine.

That's definitely something to be aware of. Still, when I first started vaping, I assumed that nicotine was the only *addictive substance and I was willing to make the trade. In other words, I'll probably give it a try.

Good research, Alisa.

ETA: * I've no desire to discuss the finer distinctions between addiction, dependency, etc.

 

[db13berry]

I received my wta today. Its made a difference. I have used maybe .5 ml of it all day today alongside my regular liquids. Ive noticed im setting my pv down at least. Its no longer constantly hanging from my mouth.
I noticed a higher energy level today also. Ill give it a few more days before giving it a final thumbs up just in case today was just one of those rare good days.


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[db13berry]

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[jensy]

I received my wta today. Its made a difference. I have used maybe .5 ml of it all day today alongside my regular liquids. Ive noticed im setting my pv down at least. Its no longer constantly hanging from my mouth.
I noticed a higher energy level today also. Ill give it a few more days before giving it a final thumbs up just in case today was just one of those rare good days.


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I am so so happy to hear this !!!!!!!!!! I know how you feel I am still going strong and people around me have commented how nice it is to have the old me back. It honestly feels like I was in a half sleep state for 4 months and I have finally woken up. For me this has worked wonders. Keep us updated.

 

[Nermal]

Okay! Just based on this thread (not that I trust people wearing masks) I've got an order in. We shall see.

 

[jensy]

Too funny Nermal . Truly this has worked wonders for me and if it didn't I would be honest about it . I worked till 3:30 in the morn today just like I used too . The old me is back and I am loving it . It's funny how we just take things for granted but once they are gone we sure appreciate when it's back.

 

[db13berry]

Too funny Nermal . Truly this has worked wonders for me and if it didn't I would be honest about it . I worked till 3:30 in the morn today just like I used too . The old me is back and I am loving it . It's funny how we just take things for granted but once they are gone we sure appreciate when it's back.

OMG! I did too! I was up doing laundry and cleaning the house (vacuuming and mopping with the radio up) until 330am. My sons (who are grown and can move out if they dont like it!) came down the stairs twice to see what the heck I was doing. They had to work today......

 

[jensy]

That's hilarious about your sons!!!!!!!!!

 

[Walt42]

I got some WTA in as well, something was missing in my vaping experience.
I also got some Red Tail Dark Honey Tobacco for a friend to try, since I like coffee flavours.
OMG, the taste is awesome and I do not feel the need for a cig. If given the choice I would choose the vape over the cig.
Bonus is, I can put it down and do other things without a need for constantly vaping.
Whatever is in there is alright with me.