My first Mod, I call it "The Duracell"

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you charge it with the power supply (so the connector on the device is like the ones you find on a router or external HD) the output is a regular usb female (the one you would charge your phone or whatever). im gonna keep it as a portable charger only cos the dang thing dont do what i wanted it to :mad:
if you guys want i can post pics cos i got nothing else to do and cant sleep and dont feel like modding dicks to suck on a DB. fudging purple putty
 

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LOL... that's for sure, it's hard to find nowwhereville... but if you spot The Duracell you'll know your there.

I'm in the process of turning it into just a 5v pass-through with no battery. I will have it done in just awhile I'll keep you posted on how it goes.
Just keep in mind your vaping (loaded) voltage is current dependent. To get 5V with a Joye 510 (2.1Ω) you'll need 5V@ 2.4Amps. A computer port ain't gonna cut it.

Get the ohms of your atty and use this.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator
 

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Just keep in mind your vaping (loaded) voltage is current dependent. To get 5V with a Joye 510 (2.1Ω) you'll need 5V@ 2.4Amps. A computer port ain't gonna cut it.

Get the ohms of your atty and use this.

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator


Willy I made a new thread showing the pass-through version of it. Unloaded it's steady at 5.03volts but if mt laptop won't cut it then what should I use an USB outlet power supply?

It still runs better then when it was just on the 3.7volt battery.
 

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you charge it with the power supply (so the connector on the device is like the ones you find on a router or external HD) the output is a regular usb female (the one you would charge your phone or whatever). im gonna keep it as a portable charger only cos the dang thing dont do what i wanted it to :mad:
if you guys want i can post pics cos i got nothing else to do and cant sleep and dont feel like modding dicks to suck on a DB. fudging purple putty

LOL... :)
One of the pics had a single tube running into both attys. Why don't you just drill a hole big enough for an empty cart & secure one in that tube? If you wanted to get fancy, putty over that.
 

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Willy I made a new thread showing the pass-through version of it. Unloaded it's steady at 5.03volts but if mt laptop won't cut it then what should I use an USB outlet power supply?

It still runs better then when it was just on the 3.7volt battery.
Well you didn't mention your atty. Unloaded doesn't mean much. 5V @ 100mA is still 5V unloaded. I would go for a AC USB adapter. No reason to risk potential damage to your computer.

The highest you'll find are 2A (2000mA).

This one works fine, I own two.

A/C USB Adapter 2 Amp

It will run any atty > 2.5Ω @ 5V under load.
 

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LOL...
One of the pics had a single tube running into both attys. Why don't you just drill a hole big enough for an empty cart & secure one in that tube? If you wanted to get fancy, putty over that.
i thought about doing that but dickstyle was quicker :oops:
i need to try that calculator and see if i can understand it but its too much for my lil brain. why everyone says 5v is the sweet spot? isn't the power that is the final result? like if we run a HV atty its gonna suck at 3.7 and the LR atty will be the bomb. so we should talk about power. what is the power sweet spot?
 
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i thought about doing that but dickstyle was quicker :oops:
i need to try that calculator and see if i can understand it but its too much for my lil brain. why everyone says 5v is the sweet spot? isn't the power that is the final result? like if we run a HV atty its gonna suck at 3.7 and the LR atty will be the bomb. so we should talk about power. what is the power sweet spot?

Well like he said it all depends on what you are using to. It is the whole formula not just one part. SO you could say the best for one thing but not for another
 

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so the reason why my power charger does not work is becos its not really 1A output like it states? if i by accident pop a LR atty into a 5V PT it wouldn't work cos it'd need 3.3A, correct? do batteries have an Amperage capability? what is it dependable on? guess im gonna have to google some stuff...
 

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so the reason why my power charger does not work is becos its not really 1A output like it states? if i by accident pop a LR atty into a 5V PT it wouldn't work cos it'd need 3.3A, correct? do batteries have an Amperage capability? what is it dependable on? guess im gonna have to google some stuff...

Current(I) is what cooks the juice.

Here's ohms law: I*R=V R=V/I I=V/R
Where I=Amps R=Resistance V=Voltage

If something can put out 5v, but can only put out 1A & the resistance(atty)=3.2 ohms then V=3.2V. You're not going to get the full 5V, because the device can only put out 1A. Now if that device were capable of putting out 3A, you will not get 9.6V(I*R) because the power source can only put out 5V. Instead, you would get 1.67A.
You can't get more than the device is capable of putting out without changing some circuitry.
Resistance is a constant, Voltage & Current can change up to the max.
 

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so the reason why my power charger does not work is becos its not really 1A output like it states? if i by accident pop a LR atty into a 5V PT it wouldn't work cos it'd need 3.3A, correct? do batteries have an Amperage capability? what is it dependable on? guess im gonna have to google some stuff...

I'm not a battery guy, not even an electrical guy but from what thy are saying if you are using batteries then you don't have to worry about it, What we are really talking about now is if you have a Pass-Through and want to run it off something that runs at 5v and 2amps because if you run it a 1amp you will only get 2.5volts loaded from 5volts 1amp because the resistance would be 2.5 ohms from a standard Joye atty.

Hope that makes sense.
 

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Well you didn't mention your atty. Unloaded doesn't mean much. 5V @ 100mA is still 5V unloaded. I would go for a AC USB adapter. No reason to risk potential damage to your computer.

The highest you'll find are 2A (2000mA).

This one works fine, I own two.

A/C USB Adapter 2 Amp

It will run any atty > 2.5Ω @ 5V under load.
Willy are you sure it runs at 2amps from one usb? I know it says if you are only using one you get 2amps but how do they know it's not split up?
 

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well! im using it to heat up the liquid to vapor than inhale and exhale... see:
HV 4.5 ohm @ 6V = power 8 current - 1.333
LR 1.5 ohm @ 3.7V=power 9 current - 2.4
what does it mean?
It's best to express power as WATTS which you can think of as heat. Kinda like an electric space heater, the higher the watts it produces the more heat it pumps out.

Let's add one more atty.

An SLB 510 (3.2Ω) @ 5V produces 7.8 watts of power. So in general all 3 of these examples will produce about the same amount of heat and a very similar vape.

For many about 9 watts is the sweet spot which is about double what a stock Joye e-cig produces.

Remember though these are theoretical numbers and would be more meaningful using a regulated power supply. Not all batteries are able to 'give up' the current needed in the same manner (discharge rate).

As an example using a Joye 2.1 atty on 3.7V batteries of different sizes/capacities also alters the vape. Even though Ohm's Law theoretically will give us the same WATTS you should notice a difference as you use the same atty on a 10440-> 14500-> 18650. The 10440 struggles trying to provide the 1.8A needed, the 14500 less so but the 18650 can easily provide it.

In other words we need to know the loaded voltages to get accurate WATTS. If your 6V device is using a pair of these Tenergy's.
New Chemistry LiFePO4 Li-Ion batteries:
  • Rechargeable LiFePO4 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAhBattery
  • Life cycle: 2000 times (Traditional Li-ion: 500 times)
  • Never explode or catch fire
  • Working Voltage:3.2V and Peak Voltage: 3.6V
What are the WATTS? 2 X 3.2V = 6.4V = 19.5W (@2.1Ω)? 6V for 17W? It would appear when actual loaded (vaping) volts are determined 12.8W is correct.

Here's a test rig with 2 LiPO's firing a Joye 2.1Ω atty (sorry for not crediting the original poster).

Tenergy_3vLiPo.JPG


That's a pretty severe drop from the nominal 3.2V (6.4V) rating. It may have something to do with the LiPO's discharge rating.
  • Capacity: 750 mAh
  • Maximum discharging rate:< 550 mA
These batts are really struggling trying to feed a Joye atty which for 6.4V wants about 3000mA (3A).

And FWIW my Joye atties always come in at 2.1-2.2Ω, that's using 2 different meters.



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Willy are you sure it runs at 2amps from one usb? I know it says if you are only using one you get 2amps but how do they know it's not split up?
It seems to. That has been the most recommended (with the most satisfied customers) adapter out there. The unit itself, on the back, only says 1.5A, but the original distributor IQ claims it is 2A from one port.

Here's another.

USB POWER PACK

And another.

2 amp AC to USB Adapter, ideal for Passthroughs

Remember though what you see is not always what you get. This was the first one I bought... useless.

DealExtreme: $6.67 2A USB 5V AC Charger (2000mA US Plug)

But why even bother with USB connectors and flimsy high resistance cables.

Just get one of these, you can get the appropriate DC jack or just strip off the ends and hardwire it right to your switch.

5VDC Power Supply 2.4A AC Adapter for D-Link LinkSys 5V - eBay (item 390192775160 end time May-14-10 06:36:06 PDT)

Or step up a notch and get one of these. You don't really need the extra amps but it should run cooler.

Genuine ITE SWITCHING AC ADAPTOR ADS6818-1505-WDB 5V 3A - eBay (item 290372974670 end time May-21-10 05:34:24 PDT)

Here's my first MOD, using a 5.1V@2A PS I had laying around from an old SBC/2WIRE modem. Get's me to that 9W sweet spot, not quite 5V. :)

PT_2W.JPG
 

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Dam I already ordered the USB... so were you satisfied with that usb one I ordered?

Willy, I just found an old AC adapter that is 6volts at 1.66amps, do you think this will work okay?
If my math is correct it would make it run at a little over 4 volts which would be sufficient especially with a low resistant atty, or maybe that would make it worse... man this is confusing!
 
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Dam I already ordered the USB... so were you satisfied with that usb one I ordered?

Willy, I just found an old AC adapter that is 6volts at 1.66amps, do you think this will work okay?
If my math is correct it would make it run at a little over 4 volts which would be sufficient especially with a low resistant atty, or maybe that would make it worse... man this is confusing!
Yes, I also ordered a spare later.

I would assume if it can provide 1.66A @ 6V (it's rating) it may be able to provide more AMPS than a 5V @ 1.66A rated supply. Beyond my meager understanding though. Hook up your meter inside your MOD right at the atty connector. With your atty installed hit your button and see what kind of loaded voltage you actually get.
 

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Yes, I also ordered a spare later.

I would assume if it can provide 1.66A @ 6V (it's rating) it may be able to provide more AMPS than a 5V @ 1.66A rated supply. Beyond my meager understanding though. Hook up your meter inside your MOD right at the atty connector. With your atty installed hit your button and see what kind of loaded voltage you actually get.

I can't because I glued it together for good this last time, I would have to break the cover to get to it :(

When I made it a pass through I figured I wouldn't have top touch the wires again...

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