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ddracer

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Do you think it's because I have started vaping?

These questions make me laugh. Did no one ever get ill when smoking analogs? I always had a sore throat coughing my guts up etc etc etc.

I'm pretty sure if we could all give up smokes cold turkey we would still get the sore throats, headaches, and hacking coughs. A lot of it is your body recovering from the fact we have all been slowly poisoning ourselves one ciggy at a time for however long.


If you have any worries at all about your health please go and see a doctor, I'm pretty certain your doctor will be happy to see you and even happier your off the evil weed.
 

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To you they may seem ridiculous, but if they represent a sudden change from the way they were feeling, I can understand asking the question. The ones that I find more laughable are the ones that worry that something might not be up to an as yet undetermined pure-and-safe standard. For gawd's sake, they don't even know everything that's in what they've smoking for the last umpteen years. And now they get concerned about what they might be inhaling? It could be lawn-clipping-broth from the back yard and still be less toxic than a pack of cigarettes.
 

ddracer

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To you they may seem ridiculous, but if they represent a sudden change from the way they were feeling, I can understand asking the question. The ones that I find more laughable are the ones that worry that something might not be up to an as yet undetermined pure-and-safe standard. For gawd's sake, they don't even know everything that's in what they've smoking for the last umpteen years. And now they get concerned about what they might be inhaling? It could be lawn-clipping-broth from the back yard and still be less toxic than a pack of cigarettes.

That is what I mean. Here are some of the chemical in ciggy smoke. I really can't see vaping being any worse than inhaling this little lot, can you?

Known carcinogens:

Nitrosamines
4-aminobiphenyl
Aluminum
Crysenes
Acrylonitrile
Zinc
Cadmium
Formaldehyde
Magnesium
Benzo (a) pyrene
Acetaldehyde
Mercury
Polonium 210
Arsenic
Gold
Nickel
Chromium
Silicon
P.A.H.s
N-nitrosocotinine
Silver
Diberiz Acidine
N-nitrosoanatabine
Titanium
B-Napthylamine
N-nitrosoanabasine
Lead
Urethane
1,3-butadiene
Copper
N. Nitrosonornicotene
Benzene
Toluidine
Tar

And some more chemcals (Some of which are as yet unproven to cause cancer in humans)

0-Undecenal,Ethyl Acetoacetate,1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One,Ethyl Alcohol,1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone,Ethyl Benzoate,1,3-Butanediol,Ethyl Butyrate,1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane,
Ethyl Cinnamate,1-Arginine,Ethyl Decanoate,1-Asparagine Monohydrate,Ethyl Fenchol,1-Aspartic Acid,Ethyl Furoate (Causes liver damage in animals),1-Butanol,Ethyl Heptanoate,1-Carvone,Ethyl Hexanoate,1-Cysteine,Ethyl Isovalerate,1-Decanol,Ethyl Lactate,1-Glutamic Acid,Ethyl Laurate,1-Glutamine,Ethyl Levulinate,1-Histidine,Ethyl Maltol,1-Leucine,Ethyl MethylPhenylglycidate,1-Lysine,Ethyl Myristate,1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene,Ethyl Nonanoate,1-Octanol,Ethyl Octadecanoate,1-Octen-3-Ol,Ethyl Octanoate,1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate,Ethyl Oleate,1-Phenyl-1-Propanol,Ethyl Palmitate,1-henylalanine,Ethyl Phenylacetate,1-Proline,Ethyl Propionate,1-Threonine,Ethyl Salicylate,1-Tyrosine,Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate,2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran,Ethyl Valerate,2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone,Ethyl Vanillin,2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone,Eucalyptol,2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine,Farnesol,2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine,
Fennel Sweet Oil,2,3-Butanedione,Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute,2,3-Diethylpyrazine,Fig Juice Concentrate,2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,Food Starch Modified,2,3-Pentanedione,Formaldehiyde (Used to preserve dead specimens),2,4-Dimethylacetophenone,Furfuryl Mercaptan,2,4-Heptadienal,Galbanum Oil,2,5-Dimethylpyrazine,gamma-Decalactone,2,6,6-rimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione,gamma-Dodecalactone,2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan,gamma-Heptalactone,2,6-Dimethoxyphenol,gamma-Hexalactone,2,6-Dimethylpyrazine,gamma-Nonalactone,2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol,gamma-Octalactone,2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine,gamma-Undecalactone,2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran,gamma-Valerolactone,
2-Acetylpyridine,Genet Absolute,2-Acetylthiazole,Gentian Root Extract,2-Butanone,
Geraniol,2-Decenal,Geranium Rose Oil,2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-Cyclopenten-1-One,Geranyl Acetate,2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine,GeranylButyrate,2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine,Geranyl Formate,
2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine,Geranyl Isovalerate,2-Heptanone,Geranyl Phenylacetate,Bay Leaf, Oil and SweetOil,PalmiticAcid,Beeswaxwhite,alpha,alpha-TrimethylbenzylAlcohol,BeetJuiceConcentrate,para-Cymene,BenzaldehydeGlycerylAcetal,para-Dimethoxybenzene,Benzaldehyde,para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde,Benzene (Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber, banned from paint thinners),para-Ethylphenol,Benzoic Acid, Benzoin,para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One,Benzoin resin,para-Methoxybenzaldehyde,Benzophenone,para-Methylanisole,Benzyl Alcohol,para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate,Benzyl Benzoate,para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde,Benzyl Butyrate,para-Tolyl Acetate,Benzyl Cinnamate,para-Tolyl Isobutyrate,Benzyl Propionate,para-Tolyl Phenylacetate,Benzyl Salicylate,Parsley Seed Oil,Bergamot Oil,Patchouli Oil,beta-Carotene,Pepper Oil, Black And White,beta-Caryophyllene Oxide,Peppermint Oil,beta-Ionone,Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil,beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether,Petitgrain Absolute,Bisabolene,Phenenthyl Alcohol,Black Currant Buds Absolute,Phenethyl Butyrate,Borneol,Phenethyl Cinnamate,Bornyl Acetate,Phenethyl Isobutyrate,Buchu Leaf Oil,Phenethyl Isovalerate,Butane: Gas (Used in lighter fluid),Phenethyl Phenylacetate,Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil,Phenethyl Salicylate,Butyl Acetate,Phenylacetaldehyde,Butyl Butyrate,Phenylacetic Acid,Butyl Butyryl Lactate,Phosphoric Acid,Butyl Isovalerate,Pimenta Leaf Oil,Butyl Phenylacetate,Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch,Butyl Undecylenate,Pineapple Juice Concentrate,Butyric Acid,Piperonal,Cadinene,Pipsissewa Leaf Extract,Cadmium (rechargeable batteries)Plum Juice,Caffeine,Polonium (Cancer-causing radioactive element)Calcium Carbonate,Potassium Sorbate,Camphene,Propenylguaethol,Cananga Oil,Propionic Acid,Capsicum Oleoresin,Propyl Acetate,Caramel Color,Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate,Caraway Oil,Propylene Glycol,Carbon Dioxide,Prune Juice and Concentrate,Carbon Monoxide (car exhaust fumes)Pyridine (chemical dog repellant)Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder,Pyroligneous Acid And Extract,Carob Bean and Extract,Pyrrole,Carrot Oil,Pyruvic Acid,Carvacrol,Raisin Juice Concentrate,Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract,Rhodinol,Cassia Bark Oil,Rose Absolute and Oil,Cassie Absolute and Oil,Rosemary Oil,Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute,Rum Ether,Cedar Leaf Oil,Rum,Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana,Rye Extract,Cedrol,Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin,Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin,Salicylaldehyde,Cellulose Fiber,Sandalwood Oil, Yellow,Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract,Sclareolide,Chicory Extract,Skatole,Chocolate,Smoke Flavor,Cinnamaldehyde,Snakeroot Oil,Cinnamic Acid,Sodium Acetate,Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract,Sodium Benzoate,Cinnamyl Acetate,Sodium Bicarbonate,Cinnamyl Alcohol,Sodium Carbonate,Cinnamyl Cinnamate,Sodium Chloride,Cinnamyl Isovalerate,Sodium Citrate,Cinnamyl Propionate,Sodium Hydroxide,cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate,Solanone,cis-3-Hexenyl Formate,Spearmint Oil,Citral,Steric Acid (candle wax)Citric Acid,Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil,Citronella Oil,Sucrose Octaacetate,Citronellyl Butyrate,Sugar Alcohols,Citronellyl Isobutyrate,Sugars,Civet Absolute,Tagetes Oil,Clary Oil,Tannic Acid,Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract,Tartaric Acid,Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder,Tea Leaf and Absolute,Cocoa,Terpeneless Oil,Coconut Oil,Terpinolene,Coffee,Terpinyl Acetate,Cognac White and Green Oil,Thiamine Hydrochloride,Copaiba Oil,Thiazole,Coriander Extract and Oil,Thyme Oil, White and Red,Corn Oil,Thymol,Corn Silk,Tobacco Extracts,Costus Root Oil,Tochopherols (mixed),Cubeb Oil,Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract,Cuminaldehyde,Tolualdehydes,Cyanide (Deadly poison),Toluene (industrial solvent banned for use in nail polish)d,l-Isoleucine,trans-2-Hexenoic Acid,D-Fenchone,trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol,D-Piperitone,trans-Anethole,Dandelion Root Solid Extract,trans -2-Heptenal,Davana Oil,Triacetin,DDT/Dieldrin (Insecticides),Triethyl Citrate,Decanal,Undecanal,Decanoic Acid,Urea,Dehydromenthofurolactone,Valencene,delta-Decalactone,Valeraldehyde,delta-Dodecalactone,Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder,delta-Octalactone,Valeric Acid,delta-Undercalactone,Valine,Diethyl Malonate,Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin,Diethyl Sebacate,Vanillin,Dihydro Anethole,Veratraldehyde,Dill Seed Oil and Extract,Vetiver Oil,Dimethyl Succinate,Vinegar,Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone,Vinyl Chloride (makes PVC),dl-Alanine,Violet Leaf Absolute,dl-Citronellol,Walnut Hull Extract,dl-Methionine,Water,Ethanol (alcohol),Wheat Extract And Flour,Ethyl 10-Undecenoate,Wild Cherry Bark Extract,Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate,Wine and Wine Sherry,Ethyl Acetate,Xanthan Gum,Hydrazine (used in jet and rocket fuels),Yeast,2-Hepten-4-One,Ginger Oil and Oleoresin,2-Hexen-1-Ol,Glycerol,2-Hexenal,Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated,2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,Grape Juice Concentrate,2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde,Guaiac Wood Oil,2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine,Guaiacol,2-Isopropylphenol,
Guar Gum,2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol,Heptanoic Acid,2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol,Heptyl Acetate,2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde,Hexamine (barbecue lighter)
2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde,Hexanal,2-Methylbutyraldehyde,Hexanoic Acid,2-Methylbutyric Acid,Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate,2-Methylheptanoic Acid,Hexyl Acetate,2-Methylpyrazine,Hexyl Alcohol,2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One,Hexyl Phenylacetate,2-Methylvaleric Acid,Honey,2-Nonenal,Hops Oil,2-Octanone,Hydrogen Cyanide (gas chamber poison)
2-Octenal,Hydrolyzed Milk Solids,2-Pentanone,Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins,2-Pentylpyridine,
Hydroxycitronellal,2-Phenenthyl Acetate,Hyssop Oil,2-Phenyl-2-Butenal,Immortelle Absolute and Extract,2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal,Isoamyl Acetate,2-Tridecanone,Isoamyl Benzoate,
2-Tridecenal,Isoamyl Butyrate,2-Undecanone, 1 Isoamyl Cinnamate,3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate,3,4-Xylenol,Isoamyl Isovalerate,3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione,Isoamyl Octanoate,3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol,Isoamyl Phenylacetate,3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene,
Isobornyl Acetate,3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid,Isobutyl Acetate,3-Acetylpyridine,Isobutyl Alcohol,3-Butylidenephthalide,Isobutyl Cinnamate,3-Ethylpyridine,Isobutyl Phenylacetate,
3-Hepten-2-One,Isobutyl Salicylate,3-Hexen-1-Ol,Isobutyraldehyde,3-Hexenoic Acid,Isobutyric Acid,3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone,Isovaleric Acid,3-Methylbutyraldehyde,
Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil,3-Methylpentanoic Acid,Kola Nut Extract,3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde,Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin,3-Octen-2-One,Lactic Acid,3-Phenyl-1-Propanol,Lauric Acid,3-Phenylpropionaldehyde,Lauric Aldehyde,3-Phenylpropionic Acid,Lavandin Oil,3-Phenylpropyl Acetate,Lavender Oil,3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate,Lead (Poisonous in high doses)3-Propylidenephthalide,Lemon Oil and Extract,4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One,Lemongrass Oil,4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One,Levulinic Acid,4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One,Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder,4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One,Lime Oil,4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone,Linalool Oxide,4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One,Linalyl Acetate,4-Carvomenthenol,Linden Flowers,4-Ethylbenzaldehyde,Lovage Oil And Extract,
4-Ethylguaiacol,Mace Powder, Extract and Oil,4-Heptenal,Magnesium Carbonate,4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone,Malic Acid,4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone,Malt and Malt Extract,4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone,Maltitol (Sweetener for diabetics)4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone,Maltodextrin,4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One,Maltol,4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol,Maltyl Isobutyrate,4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole,
Mandarin Oil,4-Methylacetophenone,Maple Syrup and Concentrate,4-Methylpentanoic Acid,
Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil,4-Pentenoic Acid,Megastigmatrienone 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol,
Menthol,4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One,Menthone,5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline,Menthyl Acetate,5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine,meta-Dimethoxybenzene,5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone,Methane (swamp gas)5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone,Methanol (rocket fuel)5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal,Methoprene (Insecticide),5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde,Methoprene,5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One,Methoxypyrazine,5-Methylquinoxaline,Methyl-alpha-Ionone,6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One,Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid,6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane,Methyl 2-Furoate,6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane,Methyl 2-Octynoate,6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One,Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone,6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One,Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate,9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid,Methyl Anisate,9,12-Octadecadienoic AcidMethyl Anthranilate,Acetanisole,MethylBenzoate,Acetic Acid, (hair dye developer),Methyl Cinnamate,Acetoin,Methyl Dihydrojasmonate,Acetone (nail polish remover and paint),Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated,Acetophenone,Methyl isocyanate (Its release killed 2,000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984),Acetylpyrazine,Methyl Isovalerate,Aconitic Acid,Methyl Linoleate (48%),Alfalfa Extract,Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture,Allspice Extract,Methyl Naphthyl Ketone,Allyl Hexanoate,Methyl Nicotinate,Allyl Ionone,Methyl Phenylacetate,Almond Bitter Oil,Methyl Salicylate,alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate,Methyl Sulfide,alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate,Methylcyclopentenolone,
alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol,Methylpyrazine (Methylthio, Mixture Of Isomers),alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde,Mimosa Absolute and Extract,alpha-Ionone,Molasses Extract and Tincture,alpha-Irone,Mountain Maple Solid Extract,
alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol,Mullein Flowers,alpha-Isomethylionone,Myristaldehyde,
alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate,Myristic Acid,alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol,Myrrh Oil,alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde,Napthalene (Ingredient in mothballs)alpha-Phellandrene,Nerol,alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene,Neroli Bigarde Oil,alpha-Terpineol,Nerolidol,Ambergris Tincture,Nicotine ( insecticide/addictive drug),
Ammonia (Poisonous gas and powerful household cleaner),Nitrobenzene (gasoline additive),
Ammonium (Floor/Toilet Cleaner),Nitrous Oxide Phenols (disinfectant),Ammonium Bicarbonate,
Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal,Ammonium Hydroxide,Nonanal,Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic,Nonanoic Acid,Ammonium Sulfide,Nonanone,Amyl Alcohol,Nonyl Acetate,Amyl Butyrate,Nutmeg Powder and Oil,Amyl Formate,Oak Chips Extract and Oil,Amyl Octanoate,Oak Moss Absolute,Amyris Oil,Octanal,Angelica root extract (Known to cause cancer in animals),Octanoic Acid,Anise Star, Extract and Oils,Octyl Isobutyrate,Anisyl Acetate,Oleic Acid,Oleoresin,Anisyl Formate,Olibanum Oil,Anisyl Phenylacetate,omega-6-Hexadecenlactone,Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins,omega-Pentadecalactone,Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate,Opoponax Oil And Gum,Arsenic (Used in rat poisons),Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute,Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil,Orange Oil and Extract,Ascorbic Acid,Origanum Oil,Balsam Peru and Oil,Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract,Basil Oil,Palmarosa Oil,
 

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Do you think it's because I have started vaping?

These questions make me laugh. Did no one ever get ill when smoking analogs? I always had a sore throat coughing my guts up etc etc etc.

I'm pretty sure if we could all give up smokes cold turkey we would still get the sore throats, headaches, and hacking coughs. A lot of it is your body recovering from the fact we have all been slowly poisoning ourselves one ciggy at a time for however long.


If you have any worries at all about your health please go and see a doctor, I'm pretty certain your doctor will be happy to see you and even happier your off the evil weed.

I agree - Us former smokers always made excuses...now we're doing something (which is obviously better)...so now many are concerned with their health. Kind of an Oxy ..... to me.
 

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To be honest......... I can't even open the "health" sub forums anymore because of the silly antics & going ons.

It just baffles me to think that these people were once tobacco smokers blindly inhaling what govt said was OK to use & paying high taxes to do personal damage to themselves.

I just carry on carrying on....

VapeOn,
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SimpleSins

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I don't know if they realize it, but some of the posts in the "health" sub forums are just giving more ammo to the anti-vapers.

I find this just a little troubling. I realize we all think this is a great thing, but when it gets to where you dare not say anything bad about it, that borders on fanaticism. And, contrary to what some may think, there are risks to these things. We assume them to be less than cigarettes, but we really don't know that for sure.

And for the record, I'm one of the people posting in the health section. I was on my way to feeling immensely better and then just as suddenly I wasn't. Because there is a thread about shortness of breath, I was able to find out that a couple people have had this recently, and the common element seems to be cinnamon. So instead of giving up vaping entirely, I can just give up cinnamon.

I think pretending there are no risks to vaping also provides ammo to the government; it would seem to demonstrate that we are too stupid or naive to know that we may be harming ourselves even still and that they need to step in to save us from ourselves.
 

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SimpleSins, I agree with you that it is troubling. There are forces out there who want e-cigs banned, for various reasons that have nothing to do with our health. They will grab at anything to help their cause. I wish we could discuss in the open any problems we may have, that could possibly be e-cig related, but unfortunately, those who have the quit or die attitude, monitor this forum. It's just the reality of this situation that we are in. It's best that anyone who has any problems, whether e-cig related or not, should consult with their doctor.
 

SimpleSins

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But do you not think going to our doctors will have even more dramatic consequence? Suddenly there will be a bunch of physicians "confirming" the FDA is right to have these banned because they've got a bunch of patients coming in with shortness of breath and other symptoms. Since my physician won't be able to compare it to another patient vaping, it will be blamed on the PV, whereas discussing it here we can determine it's the cinnamon, not the VP.

If the only reason not to talk about here is to keep it off the FDA's radar, going to the physician's office with problems related to vaping is going to get noticed a lot quicker.
 

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I'd do simple debugs of things that weren't causing major problems, but that's similar to non-vaping, too. Muscle pains when I run? A couple of ibuprofen 1 hour before time, careful stretching. What sounds like an allergic reaction when vaping cow poo? Try cutting back on the cow poo, or changing to VG-based poo. More complex, or simple changes don't correct it? Try a doctor.

My mom was a nurse, so we grew up appreciating medical tech but not running to a doctor for everything. I'm allergy prone, fortunately no issues with PG, but wouldn't be surprised if some day I stumbled on a particular liquid that caused problems -- I'd change off of that liquid quickly, same as I don't rub myself with poison ivy.
 

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I am seeing a Dr today in fact about my mouth sore that Ive had for about a month. I had thought that it was from a bad tooth, but that was removed and the sore still hasnt gone. My dentist referred me to a Dr whos going to look at it today. My dentist didnt seem to think it was from vaping and I dont either. I think it just started out as a canker sore and then maybe got infected. Anyway I will find out today.
 

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I don't want to go into a bunch of 'What's right what's wrong" debates but I think the overwhelming majority are amazed at how much better they feel. I understand a million studies can be done to either confirm or dispute this claim. But as I see it (and also experience first hand) this is so much better than analogs. Of course we need to keep true to our commitment about keeping things safe (from an FDA perspective)... I get that!...but if you asked me - we have already been their "study" ...and it appears it is a great alternative. Unfortunately all the waters get mucked up by political agendas... but all of us know the "truth" ...Let's just see where all this BS goes.
 
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SimpleSins

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I'd do simple debugs of things that weren't causing major problems, but that's similar to non-vaping, too. Muscle pains when I run? A couple of ibuprofen 1 hour before time, careful stretching. What sounds like an allergic reaction when vaping cow poo? Try cutting back on the cow poo, or changing to VG-based poo. More complex, or simple changes don't correct it? Try a doctor.

My mom was a nurse, so we grew up appreciating medical tech but not running to a doctor for everything. I'm allergy prone, fortunately no issues with PG, but wouldn't be surprised if some day I stumbled on a particular liquid that caused problems -- I'd change off of that liquid quickly, same as I don't rub myself with poison ivy.

But unless you've been vaping for years, it's hard to know what's normal and where to put the blame. I have only been vaping for two months. I did great for a while and then started going progressively downhill. Is it the "curing" stage that you go through when you quit cigarettes? Is it a sudden PG allergy? Is it a VG allergy? A cumulative effect of PG or VG? Too high a voltage? Bad cartos? Is it a brand of flavoring allergy?

Do I run to my doctor and say I've been vaping and now I'm extremely short of breath? While some in the medical community are up on this, not all are, and the first reaction is that it's the vaping and that I should stop it entirely. Period. And she will then file a report with the FDA that another vaper is reporting symptoms. Or do I come to a board where there are people doing the exact same thing I'm doing and discover that wow, there is a cluster reporting sudden problems using a cinnamon product.

So, yes, the FDA may read this site and find out that cinnamon flavoring is causing some of us problems. But if I go to my physician, I'm guessing the FDA is going to read that report, too. And if we were to all run to our physicians instead of discussing it here, that's a whole heckuva lot of reports filed with the FDA. And an awful lot of money out of our pockets even if you're lucky enough to be paying just a co-pay instead of being a cash-pay.
 

kgeiger002

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But unless you've been vaping for years, it's hard to know what's normal and where to put the blame. I have only been vaping for two months. I did great for a while and then started going progressively downhill. Is it the "curing" stage that you go through when you quit cigarettes? Is it a sudden PG allergy? Is it a VG allergy? A cumulative effect of PG or VG? Too high a voltage? Bad cartos? Is it a brand of flavoring allergy?

Do I run to my doctor and say I've been vaping and now I'm extremely short of breath? While some in the medical community are up on this, not all are, and the first reaction is that it's the vaping and that I should stop it entirely. Period. And she will then file a report with the FDA that another vaper is reporting symptoms. Or do I come to a board where there are people doing the exact same thing I'm doing and discover that wow, there is a cluster reporting sudden problems using a cinnamon product.

So, yes, the FDA may read this site and find out that cinnamon flavoring is causing some of us problems. But if I go to my physician, I'm guessing the FDA is going to read that report, too. And if we were to all run to our physicians instead of discussing it here, that's a whole heckuva lot of reports filed with the FDA. And an awful lot of money out of our pockets even if you're lucky enough to be paying just a co-pay instead of being a cash-pay.

OK - quick question? Do you still smoke? If not why? Do you think that we always need to be led by the hand of the FDA? I for one can understand and feel the benefits! (first hand) I don't need someone telling me something I have already realized. Yes I understand there will always be people who have issues with "anything" ...whether it be be too much starch in their diet or "whatever". The fact of the matter is its "obviously" better to vape than smoke.
 
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kgeiger002

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Simplesins - trust me - not trying to cause a ruckus here. I just find it very ironic when people now (all of a sudden) are concerned about health issues.

edit: I watched by brother-in-law suck his "last breath" because of smoking. No one needs to tell me if what I'm doing is better for my health. Sorry I get passionate about this subject.
 
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Simplesins - trust me - not trying to cause a ruckus here. I just find it very ironic when people now (all of a sudden) are concerned about health issues.

edit: I watched by brother-in-law suck his "last breath" because of smoking. No one needs to tell me if what I'm doing is better for my health. Sorry I get passionate about this subject.

I cant agree with you more..It is crazy to me to see every little ache and pain or concern to pop up and possibly be related to vaping...If someone had had that pain or problem while smoking I am sure they would have never questioned it. I understand that people are worried when trying something new that there may be health risks involved that are unknown but I also think that some people take it to a whole new level and borderline being a hypochondriac. That is just my opinion. While there may be health risk's involved with vaping I just wish some people would jump to conclusions about there symptoms..head to the dr if your having major or bothersome symptoms and maybe dont rely on others to diagnose you.
 
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