My horrific customer service experience.

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WillyZee

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Then she looked me square in the eye and said, "That'll be $3.50."

I would have looked her back, square in the eye and said in my most polite voice ... you know sweetheart, that is the last money I will ever spend here ... and for your information darling, my friends will no longer be spending money here either ... you just lost regular repeat business over a couple of bucks ... you must still be learning what basic customer service is all about ... you'll figure it out :glare:

Have yourself a nice day :2cool:
 

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i agree completely here. and why not support the small businesses that are the online vendors? do they have internet cooties or something?

Exactly. I don't get why some vapers out there treat B&M's like some sort of charity case, willingly and blindly emptying their pockets for outrageously over priced stuff.

"OH YEAH! A B&M opened up in MY town! I can only shop here and support them no matter what the price!"

There are plenty of people who are running B&M's and have a decent online store as well all while competing with the best of them.

If your local B&M is charging too much, stop enabling them. They either haven't researched or thought a reasonable model out, and shouldn't have opened a business in the first place; or they are selfish, greedy exploiters taking advantage of your naive enthusiasm towards "vaping".

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Wow, truely a bad way to do business. They should have swapped out such a cheap part no questions asked. Thankfully the B&M's in my area are on every corner. So if something like that happened to me I can easily move on. Thankfully the ones I have visited have gone out of there way to be friendly and make sure I come back. I can't even tell you how many freebies I have gotten. And not because I asked or was even looking for it. Hopefully you can find another shop in your area.
 

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Why do I patronize my local B&M, pay slightly inflated prices, and not have vape mail suddenly "disappear" for weeks? Simple. I want to keep my hard earned money in my community. Plus I can fondle and try just about any APV in the place. Oh, and don't forget about the human interaction, talking with other vapers face to face, having the shop owner show me how to wrap coils, tasting eliquids before I buy it, and not having to send defective merchandise back in the mail. I'm a hands on type of guy.
 

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If I was you, I would go back and talk to the woman who waited on you or a manger. I'm wondering if the woman just "spaced out" and charged you for the product that she had in hand. I would say something like: I was in here the other day with a carto that I purchased here and it was DOA, you charged me for a new one and I can't imagine that you meant to do that. She what she says, and go from there. Even products that have no warranty should be replaced if DOA.
 
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If I was you, I would go back and talk to the woman who waited on you or a manger. I'm wondering if the woman just "spaced out" and charged you for the product that she had in had. I would say something like: I was in here the other day with a carto that I purchased here and it was DOA, you charged me for a new one and I can't imagine that you meant to do that. She what she says, and go from there. Even products that have no warranty should be replaced if DOA.

That's some solid advice there! I agree, having a local B&M can be a great thing. Heck, I don't have one within an hours drive of me... Try to make it right and give it a shot, if it wasn't a fluke, then dis-regard them.

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I disagree. It shouldn't matter if it was filled first, it was defective upon arrival and couldn't be resold anyway. It's not the same as when you buy a product, decide you don't like it, and then decide to return it. In this latter case it does need to be in new condition.

Your error was filling the Cartomizer before testing it.

That placed it in the USED Category.

You check threading and Ohms and if not right you have an argument for replacement.

Hope you kept the flawed Carto. A small file could correct the threads and get it to screw on.:)
 
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I would have looked her back, square in the eye and said in my most polite voice ... you know sweetheart, that is the last money I will ever spend here ... and for your information darling, my friends will no longer be spending money here either ... you just lost regular repeat business over a couple of bucks ... you must still be learning what basic customer service is all about ... you'll figure it out :glare:

Have yourself a nice day :2cool:

you, my friend are a gentleman. i wouldn't inform them about jack.
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I would have looked her back, square in the eye and said in my most polite voice ... you know sweetheart, that is the last money I will ever spend here ... and for your information darling, my friends will no longer be spending money here either ... you just lost regular repeat business over a couple of bucks ... you must still be learning what basic customer service is all about ... you'll figure it out :glare:

Have yourself a nice day :2cool:

I agree with everything, but please don't call women sweetheart or darling. It isn't the 1950's anymore.
 

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It was obvious that I hadn't used it because the defect made it impossible to use. It couldn't even be screwed in. She admitted it was a common problem, so they were aware of the issue.

Anyway, the only reason I started shopping B&M was because I was tired of buying flavors online without tasting it, only to discover I don't like it. I wasted an unfortunate amount of money playing Russian roulette with the flavors. Now that I know what I like, I can order it online and get a discount for buying in bulk...a perk my local shop doesn't offer.

Your error was filling the Cartomizer before testing it.

That placed it in the USED Category.

You check threading and Ohms and if not right you have an argument for replacement.

Hope you kept the flawed Carto. A small file could correct the threads and get it to screw on.:)
 

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What stories? I have to admit I haven't been on here in a while. It's been so long I had to reset my password to log in. I just had a vent, and this was the only place I could think of to write it. I was on here all the time when I was a newb, because I didn't know what the heck I was doing, lol.

And ya these stories are getting old, no offense to the op, just sad is all.. From b&m to online, just sad..


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What stories? I have to admit I haven't been on here in a while. It's been so long I had to reset my password to log in. I just had a vent, and this was the only place I could think of to write it. I was on here all the time when I was a newb, because I didn't know what the heck I was doing, lol.

I haven't been on long myself, I'll admit. What I meant was yours is not the first story I've seen concerning very poor customer service is all. I myself have experienced some iffy customer service from a local b&m. They weren't rude per se, but definitely cashing in on the what seems to be the big vape fad or craze or whatever terminology that you'd like to use. I still believe its people like that that run these b&ms and these fly by night online storefronts that will prove to be partially detrimental to the vaping community

Edit: Thats what I meant by sad


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If you like the store and have had good experiences there in the past I would keep going back. After all it was just a couple of dollars. Next time find one of the more helpful employees and just tell them what happened and that it took you by surprise and your not happy.

Living near a big city I have a lot of choices on where to shop but I always end up at the same one since 9 times out of 10 things go smoothly, oh and they make some killer juice..

Breath deeply and have a vape!!
 

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See, the thing is, vendors usually know when they're ripping us, the customer, off. I talk to enough vendors to know. I've had some vendors say the most dishonest things, and I've had some vendors to say, "We had so many problems out of that line - problems that we sat down and tried our best to fix using the craziest of methods - so we had to stop selling them." That's the type of vendor that can be respected. The vendors that continue selling off brand broken Fasttech junk are the ones that know what they're doing and it's not that they can't stay in business, it's simple greed, and the manipulation of people who are desperate to quit smoking. These vendors know that we are a needy customer fanbase and they know we'll pay or do anything for a good vape.

However, if there is any small truth to the notion that vendors can't do refunds and exchanges because business issues, then quite frankly, the shop doesn't need to be in business. At most, I garuntee at most, that as long as a shop takes their time to educate a customer on proper technique, and ensures not to sell clones, that the shop would probably spend... at most... maybe $200 on returns. I doubt it, maybe more like $100. Vaping gear does not cost a vendor very much, usually about 1/4th the cost of whatever the selling price is, if not less.

That type of money is nothing compared to what these shops are making. For one, to pay for rent, the shops would probably have to pull in anywhere from $1,000-2,000. For each employee to earn at least $7.25, they have to make triple that amount. Sure, that can sound like a big number, but for shops that have a monopoly in a town, where there's literally 4 customers inside the shop at all times of the day buying Protanks and who knows what else (the local shop in my town is like that), the trust me, these people are making the money. I've had yard sales that make more than $2,000 over a span of a couple weeks...

So if businesses can't set aside a budget and a quality standard to ensure that refunds are a low occurence, and that they have a safe budget to operate under when they happen, then they know nothing about business and shouldn't be shopped at - chances are, they have such poor business models that they'll end up selling you clones and off-brands and poor juice batches and everything else. They just don't have the pride or intelligence to treat their customers any other way. It doesn't matter what object is classified to them as a "health product" and "can't be returned." How many times has McDonald's refused to return an order because the person took a bite out their sandwich and realized it had mustard on it? Never.

Hygiene is not important to returns, nor is it any type of law or standard that any legal system will recognize. It doesn't matter if you slobber all over a television, you can lick on it, hump it, whatever, and if the television is broken out of the box, the store doesn't have any proof or counter-proof that they didn't sell it to you that way, and they have to return it - even for stores that try to have stuck up policies, the customer always wins in court because policies don't make a wazoo worth of difference. There are fraud laws, and those laws tend to be pretty clear.

With the world of vaping, especially in larger towns, there can dozens of shops running, but you really have to look at it this way - out of all those shops, not all of them are doing it because they want to give vapers more opportunities and better products. If there's already a few shops open in the areas that they need to be, then the rest of the shops are opening up because they see a new trend on the market, appealing to an addictive fanbase, and they simply want in on the action without knowing the market and knowing the goods. It's like every Chinese buffet that opens because they originally think the Asian market will support them, and it ends up being far from true. So they'll charge ridiculous prices for horrible food.

In my opinion, another way to tell a good shop is simply a shop that has a team of rebuilder experts. These are the guys that know the market, know the goods, partake in ECF, share techniques, have probably been in the vaping world for years now, and have already formed opinions on what works and what doesn't. It doesn't always mean they're honest, but you can bet that they won't be the guys to tell a customer, "Oh, this CE5 is absolutely perfect, I've never had one taste dry or burnt, fill it up any day and have a perfect vape." The rebuilder vendors I talk to are quite a bit more rough around the edges than that. They know the tastes they should be getting, they know the products, and they do have honesty enough to say what they believe works and what doesn't.

Luckily, there's a shop here fixing to open up like that, and the guys over the phone sound fantastic. They offered to drill out any RDA I get, they make sure to stock all sorts of wicking material, they seem to have a nice little selection of RDA's, and on the phone, they sounded a little confused about the extensive problems I've gotten (all while being honest that they've encountered the same issues, just at a lower ratio), but they seemed dedicated to helping me get the best experience I could, as that's what they were all after even in their own lives. If you have employees who simply take a 0mg toot on a little CE5 every now and then just for customer appearances, then chances are, they're not really dedicated to vaping and really have no clue the issues we face - all it takes is an owner telling them "It's always the customer's fault." and they believe it, giving a bad attitude on top of policies they may or may not be able to change.

At the end of the day, not every person who wants to open a vaping shop can start a successful business. While I believe everyone should be able to follow their own American dream, the reality of competition in an industry will always exist. If your business has too much competition in the field that you can't make your customers happy, or if you don't have enough customer flow, then you have to think up and try new ways to market your business, and there are tremendous ways one can market a business without spending much money:

- Vape meets and educational courses hosted in the store
- Speaking to crowds about the positives of vaping
- Handing out business cards
- Free online websites
- Selling rare products that not many other vendors do.
- Using office space to combine aspects of business with another - a great example would be a vaping shop that had the shop in the front, and possibly a small smoothie and snack bar in the back where customers can sit and chat in private about their purchases, or even request to try sample juices while they sit.
- Simply offering a professional range of items where customers don't have to travel back and forth for the stuff they need.

People can be really creative, and if you're running a good business, people will simply turn up, and spread the good word even in a competative market. No one really looks at how old a vaping shop is; if you go in there, if you're always greeted with a smile, if you're always given a refund or exchange if the employee can't fix your issue, if you always get reliable gear, people will come. They'll have a bad experience with another shop that can't keep up with that service, and they'll move to yours.
 
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The vendors that continue selling off brand broken Fasttech junk are the ones that know what they're doing and it's not that they can't stay in business, it's simple greed, and the manipulation of people who are desperate to quit smoking.

Who let you in the room?

Look, No one likes to get ripped, but it happens. Has NOTHING to do with what the Vender sells and Everything to do with the Venders Practices.

MANY MANY on line venders are just as bad if not worse about NOT covering most items they consider Disposable.

Fasttech does not make anything so insulting them is all but Laughable. Does not matter where a Vender purchases Product (X), it is still going to be PRODUCT (X):glare:
 
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